How are teams selected for D1 open division?
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assume (s)he is asking about the Open, and/or the DI division separately. I kind of get the assignment concept generally, but the actual selection process will be kind of black box. anyone who can correct me or fill in the (huge) blanks, please do. an earlier comment I made about one-point margins was ill-conceived. I think a group of persons with too much work and not enough knowledge will jump at anything to make things simpler. I don't envy them--people will be unhappy no matter what.
if they use the Maxpreps AI, they can just ask that all complaints be via e-mail, and get forwarded to the computer.
if they use the Maxpreps AI, they can just ask that all complaints be via e-mail, and get forwarded to the computer.
A CIF committee of approximately 20 people will rank all 384 boys and girls teams from Northern and Southern California from 1 to 88 (or so) in four brackets (NorCal girls and boys, and SoCal girls and boys).
They will do this on Sunday, March 4, and the first bracket they will create will be the Open. (Note that they could move the Central Section winner into the NorCal bracket if they so desired.)
They will do this on Sunday, March 4, and the first bracket they will create will be the Open. (Note that they could move the Central Section winner into the NorCal bracket if they so desired.)
Hey Clay,
What do you mean they can move the CS winner to Norcal "if they so desired"? That seems ridiculous if you ask me. Either you do or you don't...
So they could put an open team in the norther division, but D1-5 in the south? Seems like if one goes, everyone should go
let me just re-iterate my prediction that the North is going to get ABSOLUTLEY obliterated in the D3,D4 and D5 state championship games....and beat easily in D2.
The North just doesnt have the depth to compete with the south after their top 20.
there will be a call for change after 2 yrs of this setup and multiple running clocks in state finals
The North just doesnt have the depth to compete with the south after their top 20.
there will be a call for change after 2 yrs of this setup and multiple running clocks in state finals
I asked the CIF basketball person about this, and I think she willfully misunderstood.
Let's say there are 1000 schools in the South (they don't have that many) and 500 in the North.
If all things were equal and you ranked the schools from 1 to 1,500, assuming each region was equal in ability, you get this percentile ranking for Division 3 if each region had the 25th through 40th best teams:
The North's 25th through 40th teams would range from the 92nd percentile to the 95.5th percentile.
The South's 25th through 40th teams would range from the 96th percentile to the 97.5th percentile.
Now in reality the two would be intermingled, meaning the teams in question would be 25th through 64th, but that's too much math for me, so I went with the easy route that makes the same point.
It gets worse the further you go down, and though of course there's far from a guarantee that the team in the 97.5 percentile will beat the 95.5 percentile, the fact that the South's worst team in Division III would have a higher percentile ranking than the North's best is an issue.
I don't foresee a running clock, because any team that reaches a state final is a good team, but the days of the North salvaging respectability by winning lots of small school state titles are going to be over sooner rather than later.
Let's say there are 1000 schools in the South (they don't have that many) and 500 in the North.
If all things were equal and you ranked the schools from 1 to 1,500, assuming each region was equal in ability, you get this percentile ranking for Division 3 if each region had the 25th through 40th best teams:
The North's 25th through 40th teams would range from the 92nd percentile to the 95.5th percentile.
The South's 25th through 40th teams would range from the 96th percentile to the 97.5th percentile.
Now in reality the two would be intermingled, meaning the teams in question would be 25th through 64th, but that's too much math for me, so I went with the easy route that makes the same point.
It gets worse the further you go down, and though of course there's far from a guarantee that the team in the 97.5 percentile will beat the 95.5 percentile, the fact that the South's worst team in Division III would have a higher percentile ranking than the North's best is an issue.
I don't foresee a running clock, because any team that reaches a state final is a good team, but the days of the North salvaging respectability by winning lots of small school state titles are going to be over sooner rather than later.
when CN won the D4 girls state title 2 yrs ago they were a borderline OPEN team...probably around #11/12 in norcal.
They were the 1 seed in D4 in Norcal.
The SOUTH was already doing comp equity that yr.
The team CN played was the 1 seed in D4 in socal(Antelope Valley). They were a D2 school(student size wise). AV had won 30 in a row coming into the state final game. But thru comp equity was placed in D4.
That means they were the 57th best team in socal.
8 open
16 D1
16 D2
16 D3
56 teams ranked ahead of D4 1 seed.
CN won game by 1pt.
Basically the Norths 11/12 seed was equal to south 57 seed.
I agree with Clay....the days of the north winning the lower division championships are over. If the north doesnt take care of business in Open or D1, we arent winning any.
They were the 1 seed in D4 in Norcal.
The SOUTH was already doing comp equity that yr.
The team CN played was the 1 seed in D4 in socal(Antelope Valley). They were a D2 school(student size wise). AV had won 30 in a row coming into the state final game. But thru comp equity was placed in D4.
That means they were the 57th best team in socal.
8 open
16 D1
16 D2
16 D3
56 teams ranked ahead of D4 1 seed.
CN won game by 1pt.
Basically the Norths 11/12 seed was equal to south 57 seed.
I agree with Clay....the days of the north winning the lower division championships are over. If the north doesnt take care of business in Open or D1, we arent winning any.
