HOW IMPORTANT THE TWO POINT PAT'S ARE???

[Bluedog2]

Just to name a few that were game changers was the biggest a couple of years ago, when DLS and San Ramon Valley were in the final seconds and DLS was ahead 28-27....SRV could have kicked a one point PAT and tied the game at 28-28 and gone into OT...But there was no insurance that they could score and win in OT, so they went for the two point PAT...That fell short by six inches, SRV could have been the giant killer, instead they were another victim.
Currently, Kelseyville missed a two POINT PAT, So did California, Inderkum and Pinole Valley all lost due to the two point PAT didn't work...And here when the defense earns its money, but Central Catholic missed four two Point PATs and still won only to go down to Del Oro later 20-17..Decisions on the one point or the two point are critical and are game changers or meaning win or loose.
Most teams are blessed with kickers, but there are times when the two point PAT comes into play and then its decision time...

 

[concrete17]

Don't forget about the DLS 2009 loss to the Lakeland (FL) Dreadnaughts at DVC in overtime. The Spartans opted to go for 2 & the win rather than tie it up with a PAT. I clearly remember thinking it was the right decision in a hot, hard fought game......time to put all your money on Red and roll the ball.

The 2 point attempt ws unsuccessful and I had to listen to an intellectually challenged plumbing contractor, who was from Florida, for months everytime I ran into him on a jobsite. Obviously not my call but still feel it was the way to go.

 

[Bluedog2]

Don't forget about the DLS 2009 loss to the Lakeland (FL) Dreadnaughts at DVC in overtime. The Spartans opted to go for 2 & the win rather than tie it up with a PAT. I clearly remember thinking it was the right decision in a hot, hard fought game......time to put all your money on Red and roll the ball.

The 2 point attempt ws unsuccessful and I had to listen to an intellectually challenged plumbing contractor, who was from Florida, for months everytime I ran into him on a jobsite. Obviously not my call but still feel it was the way to go.

CONCRETE17...….If I were the coach and it was the way to win, I would take the chance.....its the luck of the draw, but there is always the chance it will work...Some teams defense's are tougher then we think....That had to be fun listening that guy rant on...

 

[John Mellencamp]

You're a coach going for 2 and the win late in the game...

Run your best play with your best player, knowing the D will be keying on him or run a trick play that you've never run before in a game?

 

[RLS13]

Run the statue of liberty with your best player, then go propose to the head cheerleader!

Boise State 2007 Fiesta Bowl. One of the greatest football games I have ever watched.

 

[ThunderRam]

When it comes down to an end of the game situation, I feel the proper decision depends upon a couple different things.

For example, I believe that a decided underdog that doesn't have the same depth of talent as their opponent (e.g., Boise v OKLA) might be wise to take their shot by going for 2. The longer the game goes on, odds are the superior team will prevail. So it should go without saying that the decided favorite with more depth and talent should always look to extend the game. That said, injury status should also be of major consideration.

What always bothers me is when teams chase point early on. I've always subscribed to the notion that you shouldn't go for 2 until you have to and that the score shouldn't be managed until much later on.

A good example I often see in HS, NCAA and NFL is Team A missing an XP early in the game then going for 2 upon their next score to make up for it. I think that kind of tactic can get a Team A behind the proverbial 8-ball.

For example, if Team A is down 14-6 then scores a TD, kicking the XP keeps Team A in position so that if Team B answers with a TD and XP -- it's still a 1 possession game at 21-13. But if Team A opts for the tie and fails, the same response TD now means Team A is down 21-12 which is a 2 possession game. Hence the phrase 'behind the 8-ball'.

Now in HS where teams sometimes don't have a reliable kicking game and XP's are often a challenge, the percentages might be with them to go for 2 each and every time. But historically in FBS and the NFL, I don't believe that to be the case. The numbers might be changing, though, with the recent change to lengthen the PAT in the NFL.

 

[Lil49erCoach]

I was sitting here at the house watching the rerun of the Mater Dei - Bosco game from last week. MD up 14-7 with 10:20 left. MD tries the FG, gets blocked and returned for a TD. 14-13. Bosco then missed the XP.

Kicking is problematic at all levels.

I seem to remember a rather vigorous discussion on this forum about Grant not kicking a FG in a playoff/championship game some time back. They went for it on 4th & goal rather than kick because they had no confidence in the kicker. Something along those lines. I remember thinking that a team can't be elite until it's kicking game is elite as well.

Some coaches go for 2 on all tries except when they are ahead by 21 or so. Figure they have to be 50% good in order to stay even, and if they are better than that they are putting pressure on the opponent.

Making decisions like this is why the schools pay the coaches the big bucks.

 

[1315]

#1 Factor is QB’s ability to make good decisions.
#2- Run works almost 50%, Rollout or run 75%. Calling a pass means extreme confidence in your QB.
Many HSs use their soccer players for PATs. But you’d be amazed on how little time is spent on STs. Golden Rule: never burn all your second half TOs. A collective decision is far better when under pressure.
Vermeil’s guide from the 70’s is still go to.

 

[observer22]

Many HSs use their soccer players for PATs. But you’d be amazed on how little time is spent on STs. Golden Rule: never burn all your second half TOs. A collective decision is far better when under pressure.

Or if you do burn all your TOs, make sure to spike the ball when needed.

 

[mistark]

I have heard the questioned asked about Inderkum going for 2. Back up kicker (did a great job vs CC), back up snapper. All FG and PAT attempts the snap was high and holder did great jobs to even allow all previous kicks to even get off. Field was obviously wet from the rain and on grass field I think all things point to obvious choice to go for 2. I have no other clue about other teams or other choices but my guess some might be in similar boat but I have no clue as I dont coach for those other schools

 

[mrbig864]

I was sitting here at the house watching the rerun of the Mater Dei - Bosco game from last week. MD up 14-7 with 10:20 left. MD tries the FG, gets blocked and returned for a TD. 14-13. Bosco then missed the XP.

Kicking is problematic at all levels.

I seem to remember a rather vigorous discussion on this forum about Grant not kicking a FG in a playoff/championship game some time back. They went for it on 4th & goal rather than kick because they had no confidence in the kicker. Something along those lines. I remember thinking that a team can't be elite until it's kicking game is elite as well.

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You may be mis-remembering. Grant missed a chip shot FG on 4th down (after a goal line stand) to lose to Rocklin almost 10 years ago. We’d have had a Grant v Servite State Bowl Game.

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/AfuRJO...hamp-and-no-16-grant-shocked-on-last-play.htm

 

[ThunderRam]

You may be mis-remembering. Grant missed a chip shot FG on 4th down (after a goal line stand) to lose to Rocklin almost 10 years ago. We’d have had a Grant v Servite State Bowl Game.

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/AfuRJO...hamp-and-no-16-grant-shocked-on-last-play.htm

Somewhat ironically, Charlie Vue set the GHS school record for points (kicking) the very next season in 2010. He only converted a handful of FG's but kicked over 80 XP's, which is what that FG attempt essentially amounted to.

He wasn't at all helped by the angle. With such wide hash marks in HS, that short FG attempt was more difficult than it would have been in college or the NFL.

I know our friend Servite Sammy will scoff at this, but I believe that Pacers team would have pummeled the Friars -- even with a healthy Troy Niklas. Bad match up for them.