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Kimball will finally be tested

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We will soon find out how good Kimball is, Sac. high should be going to their place in the second round of the playoffs.
 
That definitely qualifies as the most surprising first-round upset.
 
ClayK posted on 2/25/2015...

That definitely qualifies as the most surprising first-round upset



Not really Sac is way down this year and the Capital valley league has been over looked all year. I personally think it was the best league in Sacramento this year and Sac high looked past Pondo and got caught slipping.

Antelope
Whitney
Ponderosa
Bella Vista
Consumes Oaks who didn't get in should have gotten in
 
It was a good game Sac High has a lot of talent. Ponderosa was lead by 2016 Saraya Smith 30pts, 2016 Danielle Craft 26pts and 2016 Maddy Clayton 19pts.
 
I think it is still a major upset. Sac High hasn't lost many playoff games in their gym. However, I agree on the CVC. I've thought it was one of the better leagues for awhile. Have the top team in Antelope with good depth too. Interesting debate if its the top league in Sacramento. The top two in the SFL is good and the Delta has three solid teams too.
 
Other than Oak Ridge or Del Oro the SFL is way down. The Delta is a good league but i think team for team the CVC is better and i say that because Antelope destroyed all of those top teams in October and i know it was in the fall but the games were not even close. I'm talking about Davis, Pleasant Grove, St. Francis and Elk Grove
 
Interesting score from last night was St. Francis beating Bella Vista 84-50.
 
Yea I was surprise by that score too. I thought it would've have been a close fought game. Bella Vista really laid an egg
 
Sac was way overrated. They shouldve lost. The team didnt play with heart
and never hustled for an entire game. That is on the coach. If they dont
wanna play hard on both ends then they shouldnt be playing, but somehow in that program lack of hustle and effort is rewarded. #23 never hustles and always pouts and always plays.

And
the backstabbing parents dont make it any better either. Hardest thing
to do is sit in the stands and listen to a players relatives talk so bad
about the team and coach.

Easy to see why some have been to a
different school each year. After a while you have to think its not the
coach or program its you. The mom of the transfers doesnt see that so Im sure its on to another school again next year. but Coach let it happen so you get what you deserve.

that
program has problems that need addressing ASAP or else next year will
end like this. Same team returns with no seniors on the team this season. One senior
will be great. the other still will be lazy with an obnoxious coach hating mom who will scare the coach into playing time her kid has never earned.

Oh yeah some more transfers may arrive like usual but other than that, the cupboard will be barer. hot mess part 2. no metro champs and 1st round playoff exit in 2016.
 
BTW, CVC is top to bottom stronger than the Metro and is the best conference in Sac Area, with Delta not far behind. Metro is done!
 
Is it true (as I have been told) that the Sac coach openly recruits girls during AAU season to transfer to Sac?

Going as far as making comments during after game handshaking lines that "you should come play for me"? or something similar?

I know that 2 of the better Sheldon girls transferred to Sac this year and that really hurt Sheldon's team.

It seems to me that families that make those kind of transfers might not have the greatest integrity to begin with...

so any kind of drama going on right now at Sac with the kids/families and coaches shouldn't be a real surprise.


Am I wrong? Am I mistaken? Those in the know please elaborate....
 
My daughter played AAU for coach Michelle for 2 summers. I can't speak for other families. My daughter was asked about attending Sac High in the 8th grade. After that it was jokingly mentioned but never any pressure. Other High Schools asked for her to attend as well. Everyone wants to play for a winner, as soon as you lose, the problems come out. Sac High has always had the tallest players but hasn't in 2 to 3 years and it has shown.
 
Couple of over looked teams in area Ponderosa and Antelope. Hats off to them both. Smith and Craft at Ponderosa are college bound players. Johnson sisters and ABC will be on college rosters soon.
 
Sac high coach can recruit, she just can't coach. You swap the players from any team in the Metro with Sac high players and the other coach would have the same, if not, better record. Sac high is undisciplined. I agree with Pookie_n_Sac. There is no accountability on that team. You pout? You get more minutes. You jog back on defense? You get more minutes. You take an ill advised shot? You get more minutes. She's lost more than just talent on the court. She loses her coaching staff every year. If you are a dad of a player, guess what? You get to be assistant coach.

Then there are the parents of the players. I've never heard heard so much grumbling in the stands. They don't hide their displeasure either. Everyone can hear, "why is she in the game?" "Why doesn't she pass the ball?" "Take her out coach"

Everything is a mess from the players to the parents to the coaches at sac high. Next year will be more of the same. Unless, she recruits, I mean, a big transfers in.
 
Private schools recruit too and thats okay, why that's okay you got me. Parents are haters any place you go because at the end of the day most parents only care about their baby girl. The parents only see the mistakes that other kids make and ignore the mistakes their perfect child makes.
 
All this may be true but I don't think an anonymous first post by someone slamming a program is a classy way to address the situation. Clearly this is someone with an axe to grind.
 
Ok guys it's time to stop. Feels like deja vu from last year. Sac lost 1 game to CKM you all went crazy. Sac went on to win league and Sections (4yrs straight) and went to open. Lost in open but so what. How many teams in Sacramento and Sacramento counties have been successful enough to even make the open division? Hmmmm. And, what other program in sacramento has helped so many women basketball players go to college and get a degree on a full ride? You are all worried about wins and losses and directing negativity toward kids and coaches,you are forgetting the big picture. Win or lose they will still be successful in getting young women to college which has always been their goal. And that is what attracts players to the program, the same as SMS. And KookieBean they have not been down the last 2,3 years, again they won league and sections and qualified to move up to open division. So how is that down? And what does height have to do with it. after this year there will be plenty more schools that will have some rebuilding to do including yours big time. Sac had a monster team the last 4 plus years even back to Langston days., it is a normal process to at some point to go through a rebuilding process. There are only 3 girls that played on the team last year and 2 are juniors and 1 sophomore and the sophomore was injured and did not play and another player was injured 1st half and was sent to emergency. No excuses stop talking mess about kids. And, there is not one program where some parent is not mad about something. So move on to something else and enjoy the rest of the season people. There is alot of good basketball left. It's just the beginning of post season play.
 
Bhillary,

I didn't say Sac High was down.

"My daughter played AAU for coach Michelle for 2 summers. I can't speak for other families. My daughter was asked about attending Sac High in the 8th grade. After that it was jokingly mentioned but never any pressure. Other High Schools asked for her to attend as well. Everyone wants to play for a winner, as soon as you lose, the problems come out. Sac High has always had the tallest players but hasn't in 2 to 3 years and it has shown."

My point was Sac High hasn't been dominate with high post production. In order to produce at a high level (go deep into playoffs) you need dominate post play. I enjoyed every minute of playing with Michelle and what she helped do for my daughter, and we will be there after this season getting more work in.


You can't say anything good or bad on this board, someone will find fault in it, and rip apart everything you say.
This post was edited on 2/26 5:26 AM by kookiebean
 
I hear what you're saying but I disagree with your notion that you have to have a good post player in order to produce at a high level in the playoffs. SMS has proved this to be wrong for many years. Aside from O'Dowd that had a ton of 6'0+ players a couple years ago, how many dominate teams had large and in charge post players that carried teams? SHC won a national championship with no true post player. Only one I can think of is the Paris twins...maybe Oak Tech with hamption?
 
Your words "Sac High has always had the tallest players but hasn't in 2 to 3 years and "it has shown". My point was "Sac High hasn't been dominate with high post production". In order to produce at a high level (go deep into playoffs) you need dominate post play.You can't say anything good or bad on this board, someone will find fault in it, and rip apart everything you say."

Your intentions may have been good, but It sounded like a knock to me. If you are saying somehthing positive leave it at that, don't follow it up with something negative. Again, winning league and sections the last 4 years, and being invited to play in open division the prior 2 years is not being dominate the last 2 to 3 years? P.S. size doesn't always matter......
 
"How many teams in Sacramento and Sacramento counties have been successful enough to even make the open division? Hmmmm." How many teams in Sacramento and Sacramento counties recruit like Sac High? It's a lot easier having a top team when you have the best players in the area playing at your school. I think this is the biggest factor for why people rag on Sac high. Sac has an unfair advantage and it's always nice when David slays Goliath.


"And, what other program in sacramento has helped so many women basketball players go to college and get a degree on a full ride?" These same girls that got full rides would have gotten full rides if they stayed at their own school. AAU is where you get noticed.

"
Feels like deja vu from last year" Yeah, wasn't it you who made the big ado about wanting to quit this forum. You even started a thread about how can you cancel your membership? Yet, here you still are.

"
There is alot of good basketball left. It's just the beginning of post season play."
This is where you and I can finally agree.
 
The gap Sac Hi has had over all other high schools in the area has finally been closed. For years it was Sac then everyone else. All the top talent in the metro area went to Sac. Promises of scholarship, playing time, titles etc. I dont know about recruiting during hand shake lines never been that close, but I do know that something has been drawing these girls to Sac by the dozens. That all has now changed.

McClatchy now runs the Metro, but thats not saying much because theres only a couple of formidable teams there. Ive watched Antelope develop into a championship outfit over the last 4-5 years and it is good to see that they have now arrived. A shift of power from the Metro to the CVC has occurred. Cosumnes Oaks who placed 5th would have easily challenged for the Metro title, but instead missed the playoffs. Whitney, BV, Pondo are now legit local programs, and the Delta has emerged as a strong conference in recent years too. All programs have legit young talent, and a pipeline of incoming talent on the way.

For many years the Metro and SFL were the best leagues. Now they probably rank 3 and 4 after the CVC and Delta. Tri Counties with Inderkum, River City and an emerging Rio Linda may even be pushing for the 3 spot over the Metro and SFL

The luster of playing for Sac just isnt there anymore. No one is sold on the sham of a program like they once were. After watching enough games Antelope would beat Sac 10 out of 10 times, for years to come. Pondo, Whitney and Bella Vista would also handle Sac as well. Conventional thinking would lead one to believe there is no talent headed to Sac. No big transfers coming, no one excited about playing there. Theyre on their way to being the doormats they were pre charter years. Antelope, Oak Ridge and McClatchy will be the class of the city for the forseeable future. Bye Bye Sac! Your time reign is over, but now its back to the outhouse for you all!
 
You are not ragging on Sac High you are ragging on the children that play for Sac, and just because a kid transfers does not mean the coach recruited the kid. And, trust me there many schools successfully and unsuccessfully trying to recruit kids both public and private in Sacramento and out. Check the rosters and see how many don't like in the school's district. Some schools have a rep of getting kids to college so there is a natural attraction. And, some schools do a whole lot better at helping kids through the process than others, that is very important. And so many on this forum spend alot of time debating AAU vs. School ball getting kids to college. It all matters. And, you don't know what the outcome would have been had they stayed at their original school because it did not happen. If you can predict the future the please give me some winning lotto numbers. LOL . And, parents pull their kids for various reasons. Some programs are just not for some kids. If you try to say it's about the education first. If a kid is a good student they can get that at any school they attend. I am not a believer of staying somewhere you are not happy. That includes schools, work, and relationships. And, I won't teach my daughter that BS of just stick it out. Can you imagine being on a job 5, 10 years that you hate... That is a life lesson. And apparently it is not easier (since you think sac recruits) or Sac losing would not be a topic on this forum. And, it is the parents that decide where the kids go not the kid. So most are just trying to make decisions they think will be benificial to their child. In some cases it works and some it does not. I am happy I made such an impression on you (Chase)that you remember my words. There is such a thing call freedom of speech. I can speak when I want to, and not when I don't. By the way I did cancel my membership. Now I can speak for free and not pay a monthly membership.
 
Wow Pookie, you kind of went in on them hard wouldn't you say. The situation is not that bad. Sac is young this year and the young women on the team are super talented and they will be back.
 
Ok, my post was not previously written correctly. And this one will probably need work as well. Lol

Lack of height has show that it is harder to win, than without. Sac High has shown a lack of height recently.
Even with Edwards in the line-up it started to show, because she didn't play a lot (injuries or foul trouble)

BHillary you are right, I should not have posted a positive follwed by a negative.

IMO high post production is huge. Teams that don't have a huge post presence will suffer at some point. Many teams will suffer will suffer big time next year, there isn't a lot of talented height out there.

The teams who beat/played tough vs. Sac in conference or in playoff at next level in the last 3 years all had a post presence and great gaurd/foward production, But hight can tak eyou a long way:

SMS had Courtney Range 6ft 1, Kendall Kenyon 6ft 2 and even Charise Holloway 5ft 9 and Angel Johnson 5 ft 8 (under sized posts), and having 5ft 10/11 guards don't hurt either.

Miramonte had Brenna Alford 6ft and 2 to 3 (5ft 11) other solid posts.

In conference:

McClatchy has Destiny Lee 6ft 2 and GiGi Garcia 6 ft 3

Florin with it's battles had D. Sampton 6ft 2, D. Harris 6ft 1, R. Jackson 6 ft 1 and D. Joe-Smith 5 ft 10

McNair had M. Coleman 6ft 3 and her 6 ft back up.

Sac High has had talented posts for years and that makes a good team:




2013-2014 23-9 with Ayanna Edwards 6 ft 4, Naja Queenland 5ft 11


2012-2013 27-5 with Ayanna Edwards 6 ft 4, Breanna Garrett 6ft 2, Dominque Buckor 6 ft 1


2012-2012 27-7 with Ayanna Edwards 6 ft 4, Dominque Buckor 6 ft 1


2010-2011 28-6 with Ayanna Edwards 6 ft 4, Dalayna Tyler-Scott 6 ft 3, Unique Mikel 6 ft


2009-2010 27-7 with Kyra Dunn 6ft 3, Dalayna Tyler-Scott 6 ft 3, Unique Mikel 6 ft


2008-2010 23-10 with Erica Barnes 6 ft 2, Dalayna Tyler-Scott 6 ft 3, Unique Mikel 6 ft, Leira Cooks 5 ft 11

Don't forget the 6 ft 3 Vicki Baugh and J. Bradley years
My posts about Sac High are intended to be all positive. I'll run and hide after this one, I promise. Lol
This post was edited on 2/26 11:37 AM by kookiebean
 
Kookiebean

I found out on here that a lot people hated when you are telling the truth. Yes Sac seems to find all the tall women players in Sac but this year they where a just like most high school teams. It's just an adjustment that's has to be made but they will be back next year if players stay but we all know how that works this day and age. In the end just tell like it is and some people will take that you are attacking them or other will look at it as constructive criticism. But good luck on the rest of your season since Bradshaw season isn't over yet like some !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Ok Bean, maybe my interpretation of what you are saying is wrong. But having only one very talented Post player at Bradshaw the last 3 years has not hurt them, in fact the numbers show it helped. We are cool :)
 
I want to address several things that have been said on this post. I have never posted before because I didn't really follow norcal preps, but a parent contacted me this morning and told me to check it out, so I did. I am a parent from Sac High. I will not say which level my daughter plays for because I don't want any backlash or negative comments towards her. You can take what I say however you want to take it, but what I am going to say is the truth as I know based on what parents, coaches and players have said directly to me.

1. It was stated that Sac high's coach recruits. Well, lets be honest, many coaches recruit, both in public and private schools. Here are few examples from all over Northern California. (EX: Modesto Christian, Excel, Brookside Christian, SMS, Lincolnof Stockton, Sac High, Miramonte, BOD, C-let, St. Mary's of Berkeley)....all of these teams have girls on them that do not live in the schools attendance area or even the same city the school is in. There are probably more, but I know people on these teams. My own daughter has been talked to by coaches from BC, MC, SMS, Sac High, and McClatchy....so coaches do try to recruit.

2. There are parents and one parent in particular who has started a lot of drama at Sac High. It is unfortunate that the parent does talk a lot of mess about many players and their parents. She does not really hide what she has to say as we can all hear her in the bleachers. But considering that when she brought her girls to Sac, all she could do is talk about how much she hated Coach Que and had to get her girls out of their because he would always play the assistant coaches daughter over her kids and she wasn't that good, then she turns right around when she is upset with the Sac coach and says she is going to take her girls to SMS next year or McClatchy because apparently now Coach Que and her have made up and he wants her kids to play there....my point is, giving any serious thought to what this parent says is a complete waste of time as all she wants to do is degrade her daughters teammates because she feels like her daughters are the best. BTW, to that parent, we all have seen what you have posted on social media, you have to be the most classless adult I know....not to mention you know nothing about the actual game.

3. San High has a lot of talent on their team. The problem is not the coach or the girls, it is the chemistry....and that chemistry is being affected by the parents. These girls like each other, but some parents only care about how much their child scores and forget everyone else on the team.....newsflash, there is much more to being a great ball player than just scoring....

I have more to say, but my boss just told me he needs a report...gotta go
 
BHillary we will always be cool, we go back way to far. :)

Imagine if Bradshaw had 1 more 6ft footer, or even a N.Q. to assist. Wow.
Ok back in hiding I go.
 
A little birdy just told me that bhilary used to bad mouth sac hi and their coach when her daughter transferred from sac hi. Oh, the irony.
 
You and your little birdy can Gossip like littie girls all you want. Michelle and I have 100% mended our relationship and she understands why we left and I understand now where she was comming from too . It takes a mature person to admit their fault in a situation and I did admit my part. The problem was the people in the middle feeding the fury and gossiping and playing one against the other. You never once saw me post on social media like you do. If someone asked me what I was feeling I did not hide it. BUT, I never once stopped supporting the girls or wished 14,15 and 16 year old girls would loose or fail. On graduation day I told my dauther she had to leave, but she also had to return. We both came out better for it. Now we both have a home to always come back to. And, my daughter had a +4.0 when she left Sac and a +4.0 when she returned and the same when she graduated #1 in her class. She had a wonderful senior year and so did I, when I learned to stay out of the way and not listen to OPP. So trying to start something where there is nothing won't work. And, your little gossiping birdy should have also told you the one thing I never took from Michelle, when we left, is she gets her girls, that want it , to college and she always surronded the girls with talented people to help develop them. So come with something better Vincent Chase. Old News is not Good News.

This post was edited on 2/27 3:08 PM by bhillary

This post was edited on 2/27 3:10 PM by bhillary
 
Man i wish we could stop with the finger pointing bleeding heart Bull and talk about the upcoming Simi final games coming up on Tuesday. Sac is out can we please move on, My God!!!!!!!!!
 
Looks like a big game coming up next Tuesday at UOP 4pm #3 seed Kimball (29-0) vs #2 seed Antelope (26-1) with their only lost was to Brookside. by 5. This will be one of the better games at UOP on March 3 and the other good game will be #3 seed McClatchy vs #2 seed Oak Ridge. The other both #1"s seed in D1 SJS and D2 SJS should win their games.

GOOD LUCK TO ALL THAT ARE STILL IN THE PLAYOFFS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
WOW!

I guess Kimball still hasn't been tested!

Whitney lost to Del Oro. Ponderosa and Antelope lost to Kimball.
Bella Vista got steamrolled earlier in the sections.

Antelope squeaks into Norcals.

CVL best league in Sac? I don't think so.

Be careful what you wish for Azanna.

Nice win tonight Kimball! Good job!


This post was edited on 3/3 7:34 PM by savoir faire
 
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