Max preps National Top 25

[jazzpt55]

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Clay,
This must be really be frosting you....
I actually think the winner of the game on the 27th....the PVI vs St Johns game ...should be the national champion. ..
I hope it is St Johns

 

[ClayK]

That's a tough one, and it's hard to jump a two-loss team over an unbeaten team ... even though St. John's has lost only to highly ranked teams. Riverdale played one top ten team and beat Norcross soundly, in Georgia, and will play solid competition in Tennessee.

PVI's schedule is about the same as Riverdale's, and PVI has a loss.

 

[Paytc]

That's a tough one, and it's hard to jump a two-loss team over an unbeaten team ... even though St. John's has lost only to highly ranked teams. Riverdale played one top ten team and beat Norcross soundly, in Georgia, and will play solid competition in Tennessee.

PVI's schedule is about the same as Riverdale's, and PVI has a loss.

"Riverdale played one top ten team and beat Norcross soundly" Who did Norcross beat to prove they belong in the top 10?

Clay records don't mean you end the season as a better team than teams with more loses than you have. We have seen thousands of times where teams in the every level of competition defeat teams that have a better record than they have at season's end. Example I think the Dallas Cowboys had the best record this year and loss to a team with a worse record. And last season the Warriors had the best record in the history of the game and loss to a team with a worse record. I think it was the Warriors "Just Believe" team that was an 8th seed that knocked off Dallas the #1 seed that season. That is why without a playoff system many feel the Nike TOC & Iolani and teams playing in tough state championships and/or tougher challenged are proven more so to be the better team than those less challenged. I guess that is why there is a need for multiple ranking polls. And why there is no undisputed Girls High School basketball national Champion.

 

[ClayK]

Good points ... but insofar as possible, I would rather use objective measures such as wins and losses as subjective judgments about how a tough schedule proves more about a team. We really have no idea what would happen if PVI or Riverdale played Mitty or Clovis West. All are high-quality teams that have played and beaten other high-quality teams, and all have elite talent and superior coaching.

You pays yer money and you takes yer choice ...

 

[Paytc]

Good points ... but insofar as possible, I would rather use objective measures such as wins and losses as subjective judgments about how a tough schedule proves more about a team. We really have no idea what would happen if PVI or Riverdale played Mitty or Clovis West. All are high-quality teams that have played and beaten other high-quality teams, and all have elite talent and superior coaching.

You pays yer money and you takes yer choice ...

Sure most people understand any good team can beat and even upset a team that is better than they are. But the chances of accidentally beating teams that are better than you are drops considerably when you take on a challenge like the Nike TOC and have to repeatedly beat top teams in the nation 4 back to back days, on the road, no home cooking, no known refs, unfamiliar teams, with all eyes watching. That is why those teams are a bit more battle tested and proven than a less challenged team who may indeed be as good a team but took an easier road. My props goes out to both teams. I just give the highly challenged team a bit more props for taking the tougher road. And I would rank teams in accordance to how they were challenged and how they played ( win or lose) when highly tested. I guess that is why there is a need for multiple ranking polls and/or at least some sort of national playoff system to better decide if ranking is to be considered more accurate and less bias based on just wins and losses.

 

[mkbgdns]

there is a need for multiple ranking polls and/or at least some sort of national playoff system.

and who exactly needs that?

 

[jaymel911]

We could have fifty national champions that way, one for each state.... oh wait, we have that already.

 

[OnBall8]

We could have fifty national champions that way, one for each state.... oh wait, we have that already.

we have 6 champions, and people still cry its unfair and they want a chance at a trophy...