Clay, I'm wondering what was your reasoning for including Windward in the Top 25 but not Mitty? Most conventional analysis would favor Mitty. The minuscule difference in SOS maybe?
MaxPreps Final Top 25
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Mitty was such a tough case, as obviously they were very good, and the eye test marked them as an excellent team. And in truth, from a subjective standpoint -- which we try to avoid in the rankings because then it becomes even more guesswork than it is -- Mitty probably beats several, if not many, teams in the top 25.
The issue, though, was this: The only quality intersectional win was against Centennial of Nevada, which did not wind up in our rankings for precisely the same reason. Otherwise, Mitty dominated NorCal, but what does that really prove? No other NorCal teams even sniffed the top 25 this year, so my bias as to how good our teams are can't really apply. (No NorCal team had a win against a top 25 team.)
Yes, Mitty had three really good losses -- to No. 1 LJCD, No. 20 Riverdale Baptist, and unranked Mater Dei -- but had no "good" wins. And in fact, given the loss to Mater Dei, Mater Dei (which also beat Centennial and beat Sierra Canyon), Mater Dei would go in ahead of Mitty. And Windward beat Mater Dei.
As for Centennial, the best win was maybe over Beaverton, by two, or SJND, by 12 in SJND's first game without Shawn Hipol. And the loss to New Hope was also to an unranked team, as was the Mater Dei loss.
So really, the problem for Mitty was the lack of a signature win that could be balanced against the good losses. Very frustrating because I think Mitty is an outstanding team, but I just couldn't justify putting them in the top 25.
The issue, though, was this: The only quality intersectional win was against Centennial of Nevada, which did not wind up in our rankings for precisely the same reason. Otherwise, Mitty dominated NorCal, but what does that really prove? No other NorCal teams even sniffed the top 25 this year, so my bias as to how good our teams are can't really apply. (No NorCal team had a win against a top 25 team.)
Yes, Mitty had three really good losses -- to No. 1 LJCD, No. 20 Riverdale Baptist, and unranked Mater Dei -- but had no "good" wins. And in fact, given the loss to Mater Dei, Mater Dei (which also beat Centennial and beat Sierra Canyon), Mater Dei would go in ahead of Mitty. And Windward beat Mater Dei.
As for Centennial, the best win was maybe over Beaverton, by two, or SJND, by 12 in SJND's first game without Shawn Hipol. And the loss to New Hope was also to an unranked team, as was the Mater Dei loss.
So really, the problem for Mitty was the lack of a signature win that could be balanced against the good losses. Very frustrating because I think Mitty is an outstanding team, but I just couldn't justify putting them in the top 25.
Seems kind of like "reverse bias" since the same logic is not applied to most other teams in the Top 25. For example, Chartiers Valley dominated the PIAA, but what does that really prove? No PIAA teams had a win against a Top 25 team.
Hmm. If you look at your own ranking, Mater Dei is at #25 (so not unranked). And according to MaxPreps, Windward played Mater Dei once (Southern Section playoffs) and lost. So following your logic above, Mater Dei should be above Windward in the ranking (they're not).
Anyway, both Mitty and Windward lost to LJCD and Mater Dei. Mitty's only other loss was to Riverdale Baptist, which is ranked at #20 in the Top 25. Windward's other losses were to Centennial (Corona), Rosary Academy, Elizabeth Seton, and Sierra Canyon. None of these teams are in the Top 25, and the Elizabeth Seton loss would have knocked any other team out of the Top 25.
So margin of victory (or loss) is apparently important in your decision making. How about these numbers:
Mitty lost to LJCD by 8, Windward lost to LJCD by 11
Mitty lost to Mater Dei by 6, Windward lost to Mater Dei by 12
Mitty beat Bishop O'Dowd by 20, Windward beat Bishop O'Dowd by 6
Mitty beat Clovis North by 47, Windward beat Clovis North by 3
Mitty beat SJND by 36, 21, and 16, Windward beat SJND by 20
Mitty lost to Mater Dei by 6, Windward lost to Mater Dei by 12
Mitty beat Bishop O'Dowd by 20, Windward beat Bishop O'Dowd by 6
Mitty beat Clovis North by 47, Windward beat Clovis North by 3
Mitty beat SJND by 36, 21, and 16, Windward beat SJND by 20
Seems like "common opponent" goes strongly to Mitty.
Anyway, sorry for beating up on you Clay. It just seems like including Windward over Mitty was more of a gut feel than an actual analysis of the available data.
You are not beating him up you are being truthful. Even ESPN has Mitty ranked in the Top-25. When Mitty lost to LJCD and Riverdale they were still finding their chemistry as a team. Mater Dei was a tough loss after almost running away with that game early. Lots of bias in the XCellent rankings in my opinion.
lol....isnt everyone trying to find chemistry at some point? rankings are biased by nature.
Mitty lost a closely contested game to the #1 team in the nation without Hunter Hernandez and with a hobbled Marley Langi. Two of the top players in Norcal. No team has had to overcome the adversity Mitty has this season from what I have watched. People can hate the Monarchs all they want but the facts speak the truth.
Mitty is one of the best teams in the country, no question. But close losses are not wins, unfortunately, and comparative scores are unreliable unless the difference is major (late free throws, for example, can turn a two-point game into a 10-point game, etc.).
As always, a case could be made for Mitty or Chartiers Valley (which did not lose) or a large number of teams that fall between No. 10 and No. 35. You have to pick your criteria and roll with them; Dan Olson of ESPN honored Mitty and I can't argue. My guess is he wouldn't argue with me either (except about how good the Yankees will be this year).
As always, a case could be made for Mitty or Chartiers Valley (which did not lose) or a large number of teams that fall between No. 10 and No. 35. You have to pick your criteria and roll with them; Dan Olson of ESPN honored Mitty and I can't argue. My guess is he wouldn't argue with me either (except about how good the Yankees will be this year).
Bro, Winward lost to Centennial Corona who lost to King and Valley Christian almost beat King Riverside. Windard lost to Rosary Academy who lost to BOD, and Elizabeth Seton that went 20-10. Call it what you want but the Bias for So Cal teams is undeniable. I don't see how Mitty didn't make the Xcellent rankings. You discredit the win over Centennial NV but that same Centennial NV team beat the Westlake team you have at 14. I need to go back and check your comments again to see who your Bay Area team is. Just couldn't find it in your soul to give any props to Mitty I see.
You can see it that way if you choose ... reasonable people can disagree. I have nothing but respect for Sue and the Mitty program.
I will admit I think SoCal was much stronger than NorCal this year, and I base that on seeing the top teams from both areas. Again, I could be wrong. I would love for Mitty to have played those SoCal teams and decided it on the floor, but it didn't happen.
I will admit I think SoCal was much stronger than NorCal this year, and I base that on seeing the top teams from both areas. Again, I could be wrong. I would love for Mitty to have played those SoCal teams and decided it on the floor, but it didn't happen.
He called him bro and threw in the comma... you know it's real. Lol
Mitty has top 10 talent their coach moves them down like 20 spots so they end up 30.....other coaches would take top 10 talent and create a top 5 team...in fact most great,coaches would do that...it's hard for most people to admit that...how do companies/countries/teams actually improve if the boss/coach doesn't come to work everyday...nobody wants to hear that....
I was that manager....so I know what to look for....I was a negative force....work performance improved when I didn't come to work...so I know a negative factor when most people can't see it
I was that manager....so I know what to look for....I was a negative force....work performance improved when I didn't come to work...so I know a negative factor when most people can't see it
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