Merc News Sports Headline: "HS Football Blow-Outs a Problem"
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Merc News Sports Headline: "HS Football Blow-Outs a Problem"
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One more time: Nice story. Solid effort. Two things missing, though. 1. The public vs. private/parochial CCS problem. 2. The OAL-as-separate-CIF-section problem (not to mention the AAA). Neither the OAL nor the AAA can have equity-based schedules because they are both CIF sections (despite efforts to fold them into the NCS and CCS respectively).
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The beloved Colonel's Grand Realignment Plan:
1. The AAA's seven teams become part of an all-public, equity-based PAL
2. Palma, Sacred Heart Prep, Menlo School and King's Academy shift into an equity-based, 12-team WCAL (football only).
3. The OAL's six teams are folded into NCS leagues based on competitive equity, thus calming down Mack's ludicrous current blow-out habit.
Hey, one can dream.
1. The AAA's seven teams become part of an all-public, equity-based PAL
2. Palma, Sacred Heart Prep, Menlo School and King's Academy shift into an equity-based, 12-team WCAL (football only).
3. The OAL's six teams are folded into NCS leagues based on competitive equity, thus calming down Mack's ludicrous current blow-out habit.
Hey, one can dream.
There really is a problem with private schools vs. public schools. For example; the second best team in Northern California is Folsom, a public school. Let's say that next week they were playing either DLS, Mater Dei, or St. John Bosco. Assuming first strings stayed in entire game for both teams, here is what you are probably looking at:
DLS 49; Folsom 14
St. John Bosco; 56; Folsom 14
Mater Dei 70; Folsom 14
The privates just have too much of an advantage.
DLS 49; Folsom 14
St. John Bosco; 56; Folsom 14
Mater Dei 70; Folsom 14
The privates just have too much of an advantage.
Who are you referring to...
SJS has #1-#6 for publics???
CS has 1-6 for publics????
OS including MyClymonds all public????
NCS - #1 private but #2-5 publics????
SFS All public????
Finally we come to CCS where privates have a slight advantage... Do all sections have to be a full on public advantage???
Seems like. overall, publics have the advantage...
Whoa, there. With all due respect, privates have a "slight advantage" in CCS? A quick glance at the top teams in that section would indicate quite the opposite. CCS is the only NorCal section which features an entire private/parochial football league. It's a juggernaut more often than not. The current CCS playoff system has found a way to jam at least half that league into the top division. And the public coaches say simply, "Thank you very much." The competitive equity mantra goes a very long way toward eliminating the section's best teams (aka the WCAL).
Then again, perhaps I have misconstrued your point.
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nah. The public/private thing is only a big issue in the CCS. And even then it’s been an issue for a long time, it’s nothing new.
Slight is correct!!! Although the top teams are Private in CCS, the bulk of the teams are Public. Instead of looking to pull privates down into the quagmire of publics in the CCS for the standard, look to other sections and states for the standard. This is the reason for CCS publics lagging in Football. They want their level to be the standard instead of the the national average to be the standard. Publics lag the national standard in CCS while the privates are closer to the norm for tops schools.
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For the 2019 Football season in NorCal Folsom has the best talent. AND the biggest talent advantage over every other school including DLS. There's not a better trio than Ngata, Badger and Hutton. They have a massive DE that plays too tall and #40. If they spent as much time focusing on details as this board does about the perceived advantage of privates Folsom would have replaced DLS as the NorCal representative.
The scores of the last 100 years disputes the talent advantage at Folsom for 2019? Solid.
vs only one private to draw your conclusions? And 100 years??? Where did you find those stats? I want to delve into that database too.
The best I can find is CalPreps dynasty ratings covering 15 years of history. Of the top 10 schools in the nation, 5 are private and 5 are public. Cant get too much better balance then that.
top 30 - 11 private 37%
top 50 - 17 private 34%
top 100 - 27 private 27%
The trend suggests that a few privates are competitive at the highest level and but that advantage falls off progressively even in our small sample of the top 100 schools out of over 15000 schools.
To finish off my quick review, DLS is #1 in NorCal with Folsom a close second. But what is the school with the worst rating on 2019 CalPreps in all of California - even if you haven't done your research, you can guess where I am going - Yes a PRIVATE school (Valley Christian - Roseville).
Perhaps its time to invoke the mercy rule in football then. Or do what top ranked D1 colleges do with scheduling cupcakes. Pay the school to play them.
One other factor that could be considered: There are far, far more public schools than private/parochials. That said, it's always instructive to examine the top 20 lists in the Chronicle or NorCalPreps or Preo to Prep. Usually, but not always, the private/parochials are rated well beyond what their actual numbers would suggest. Speaking here only of NorCal, not statewide or nationally. And we won't get into the totally unbalanced CCS situation again. That's old news. But we are dealing with the here and now, not what happened decades ago.
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You are a great sport!!! Enjoyed the back and forth. I do agree with you that the ratio of Privates to Publics is important part of this discussion and tempers my observations. Truly agree with the unique CCS imbalance. That's why I wanted to look at the nation - because its crazy bad in CCS and its not a representative view. Still, you might find better balance than expected in NorCal when looking a schools top to bottom. VC - Roseville was an extreme example of what will be found in the low half NorCal schools. There's plenty of privates there too.
There was a time, long ago in the 1930s through much of the 1960s, when the Bay Area's public schools were clearly superior athletically to the private/parochials. The latter had inferior facilities, inferior coaching, far less money and smaller student bodies _ and there were no mandates to spend money on girls' sports. The San Francisco public schools (Poly, Lowell, Lincoln, Balboa, Mission, etc.) were strong. SI and SH did not dominate AAA football.The publics did. Legendary City players like Gary Lewis, Bob St. Clair, O.J. Simpson and a gaggle others were public school stars. Things began to change as Flower Power, the Vietnam War, the Black Power movement and the decline of administrative/coaching authority came into view. Football was suddenly a question mark among a lot of public school folks. Enter the private/parochials to fill what was becoming a vacuum. The WCAL was formed in 1967. DLS began to take football seriously in the 1980s. O'Dowd added football to its athletic offerings. So did Sacred Heart Prep. Marin Catholic began to dominate the MCAL to the point where it's now only an associate member in football. Powerhouse DLS has a similar arrangement in the East Bay. Palma went on an extended run in Salinas. Valley Christian joined the WCAL. It was a new day; it evolved over several decades to the point where, now, the private/parochials have an outsized influence in the world of Bay Area prep football. Let's not even mention the Trinity League in SoCal.
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Life is not about equity. We’ve all been on both sides of blowouts. The game of football teaches lessons. A-B-C leagues are built for a reason. All is hear how people are complaint about blowouts. How about figuring out what it takes to make your program better. Coaching, Weightroom, off season program and discipline. You can tell what programs have been in the weightroom for 4 years and the ones who haven’t. Aptos-Hollister-LG-OG-Wilcox seem to do those things. May not beat the Serra, SF, VCbut sure as hell compete and beat the rest.
so we are just going to pretend like Hollister, Aptos, LG, OG, and Wilcox don’t have demographic advantages? Cool cool.
I understand some of the demographic advantages that most of those schools have, but what is Wilcox's?
I can assure you blowouts occur in all sports.Lynbrook dominates Badminton but not Football so should we address that as well. If the sport is unsafe then play lesser opponents hence what 3 tiered leagues are for.
Not sure what about my post made you think I am against equity leagues. I’m not.
