Miller out at Arizona
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I propose that the FBI stop school shootings & terrorism, b4 they start WIRETAPPING scum bag agents, because now they're going to drag poor families who needed those cash advances from "runners" for which their child's athletic skill can bring, instead of only the NCAA, universities & coaches, who reap the financial benefit!!
So what your saying is that college sports is classified as "AMATEURISM" as proclaimed by the NCAA? And yet these amateur athletes are treated as EMPLOYEE's, they have class then the job of basketball being practice & games... And yet if these young athletes don't perform up to the level or expectations, they get their scholarship revoked, just like being fired from a job for performance!!
It's easy to say you'd prefer for them to stop school shootings & terrorism - I think we all would. But that's going WAY beyond the scope of a high school basketball forum. There's plenty of places to have a debate about guns and the second amendment, but here is not the place.
It's very simple. Agents, coaches and runners are exploiting kids who have athletic talent, and they're violating federal laws in doing so. It's been going on unchecked for far too long, and somebody's doing something about it. I see that as far better than the alternative - that we let it keep going until something awful happens.
College sports ARE amateurism. I proposed above that the NBA and the NFL need to create a minor league system where these kids who desperately need money get paid. Then college sports can actually go back to what it is supposed to be - sports for college athletes. Right now, it's a farce where Dexter Manley can manage to be eligible for football for 4 years at Oklahoma State and still be illiterate.
To be honest, I asked the question on why the FBI was investigating when I feel there are far more pressing issues to go after, but after reading your post and thinking it out more thoroughly, I really do hope they expose more than just the 8-9 schools, I hope they expose the NCAA as well!!
Won't happen because it won't create sufficient revenue for either sport to invest in, look at the NBA's G-league, very small numbers for attendance, not sure these leagues & it's owners will consider??
Happens every day in just about every sport other than Division I college football and men's basketball.
So who's at fault here for the D. Manley situation?? At Ohio St. athletes took bowling as a passing grade, and most recently Roy Williams & the UNC program got a slap in the hand for players taking "bogus" classes so they could be GPA eligible!!
It would make money if it had better athletes, but those athletes don't go there because there's too much illegal money to be had by making a mockery of "college" football and "college" basketball. Imagine a "G-league" football team that plays in Birmingham, and they get all those players that are currently going to Alabama and Auburn instead of pretending to go to class on campus. You don't think they'd sell out Legion Field, and people wouldn't tune in to watch them?
Stop paying the schools an obscene amount of money, and they'd no longer have a reason to cheapen a degree from UNC.
Yes I agree with your statement, even here where I live the University of Pacific self imposed itself for players receiving improper benefits, supposedly a tutor wrote their term papers in order to be eligible to play at UOP!!
Way too late for this to happen, the T.V. contracts are too lucrative and the shoe companies also have huge investments as well!! Noknight this practice goes back to the Wooden days, u don't think those players on the Wooden teams in LaLa land didn't get paid!! C'mon man, let's not be ignorant now that u made me rethink why the FEDS should investigate college sports??
Please name me one sport at Cal or UCLA where Asian athletes make up 40 or 42 percent of the scholarship athletes. Name one sport where they are 25 percent of the scholarship athletes.
Any college where their athletic teams do not reflect their student body population is cheating.
Won't happen, don't u think these ideas have been kicked around by potential investors?
I can't name 1 sport where Asian athletes make up 40% of scholarships? That post wasn't directed at me right, da real?
No it was for noknight, who is acting like "non revenue" sports are the holy grail of college athletics. There as never been a time post segregation where a legit argument could be made that college basketball or college football players were college students first and foremost (i am not including the ivy league).
Ya his thread became watered down with little to no sense of how college sports should proceed after all this goes down, but your right as far as the athletes reflecting on their student body. .
I'm beyond confused. Because it's been going on since the days of John Wooden, then it's OK? In those days, cars didn't have seatbelts, it was perfectly acceptable for people to smoke cigarettes anywhere they wanted (despite plenty of evidence that it caused cancer) and discrimination/segregation was legal. Shall we put those back in place, too? No - if something's wrong, we stop pretending like it doesn't happen - we fix it!
As for the 40% Asian argument, where did I say that sports teams had to be composed of the same ratio as the general student body? I just said they have to be legitimate students. At least in most high schools, each of the athletes actually attends the high school they play for.
And I get it, that won't stop cheating. I was an athletic director for my kids grade school in Alameda County for years. Every year we found people who were creating phony addresses so they could have make improve their 4th grade teams. We've also seen people cheat like hell in Little League. So none of this will make the cheating go away. But ideally we can at least disincentivize it.
As for this thread, it sounds like some people just want college football and basketball to simply keep going on the way it is. I don't. I'll still watch, but I've lost a lot of what I used to love about the sport because of all the cheating. It doesn't sound like I'm going to convince you of my viewpoint, and I know that you're not going to convince me of yours, so I plan to let it drop here.
As for the 40% Asian argument, where did I say that sports teams had to be composed of the same ratio as the general student body? I just said they have to be legitimate students. At least in most high schools, each of the athletes actually attends the high school they play for.
And I get it, that won't stop cheating. I was an athletic director for my kids grade school in Alameda County for years. Every year we found people who were creating phony addresses so they could have make improve their 4th grade teams. We've also seen people cheat like hell in Little League. So none of this will make the cheating go away. But ideally we can at least disincentivize it.
As for this thread, it sounds like some people just want college football and basketball to simply keep going on the way it is. I don't. I'll still watch, but I've lost a lot of what I used to love about the sport because of all the cheating. It doesn't sound like I'm going to convince you of my viewpoint, and I know that you're not going to convince me of yours, so I plan to let it drop here.
If adults are cheating in 4th grade athletics with no money at stake, why would colleges ever stop cheating?
I am shocked that a player like Ayton only costs $100,000. I bet their are donors at a lot of colleges that would be willing to pay for his services at that price.
Here is a radical thought and could be adopted by the NCAA.
Every college team must be made up of at least 75% members who are from said state.
In other words 9 out of 12 Ohio state players have to be from said state. Kind of how it pretty much used to be. There would be very little out of state recruiting and it would naturally cut down on the money movement.
I am sure the above idea can be picked apart. Just stepping out of the box for a moment.
Here’s wishing you great hoops
Nok college sports still carries the true passion of collegiate kids playing for one another as we'll see this as March Madness approaches, but as lucrative as college sports has become, all involved need to somehow spread the wealth or else this kind "black market" for elite talent will persist one way or another!!
Decades later things haven't changed, but why are these kids seem to be treated as criminals when brought to light? And yet the true entity who's EXPLOITED these young athletes are the coaches, universities & NCAA for the BILLIONS they've made in revenue yr after yr after yr under that bullshit "AMATEURISM" term over the decades!!
Will the NCAA sanction itself for "Lack of Institutional Control"?
The NCAA has the best "Salary Cap" in all professional sports.
When all 32 NBA teams show up to the NCAA BAsketball National Championship game and to the PK80 Tourney then you cant say in the same breath that NCAA is not a farm system for the NBA.
Not allowing a person who has a skill, thats demanded in the free market, take said skill and "benefit" from it is a violation of Adam Smith's Invisible Hand and Free Market theory, violation of capitalism, and collusion by NCAA and NBA.
If we went to Santa Clara University and told a 18 year old "coder" that he couldn't code for Facebook until after he completed a his freshman year and make money from it, the ACLU and every other entity would have people in court instantaneously.
We already know they why they are not.
No one said anything to Andre Agassi when he dropped out of 10th grade to play in his 1st pro tennis match in La Quinta.
The hypocrisy is so real.
The NCAA has the best "Salary Cap" in all professional sports.
When all 32 NBA teams show up to the NCAA BAsketball National Championship game and to the PK80 Tourney then you cant say in the same breath that NCAA is not a farm system for the NBA.
Not allowing a person who has a skill, thats demanded in the free market, take said skill and "benefit" from it is a violation of Adam Smith's Invisible Hand and Free Market theory, violation of capitalism, and collusion by NCAA and NBA.
If we went to Santa Clara University and told a 18 year old "coder" that he couldn't code for Facebook until after he completed a his freshman year and make money from it, the ACLU and every other entity would have people in court instantaneously.
We already know they why they are not.
No one said anything to Andre Agassi when he dropped out of 10th grade to play in his 1st pro tennis match in La Quinta.
The hypocrisy is so real.
