Only Carondelet & San Ramon (Open), Branson & University (Division 5) & Piedmont are still alive after tonight. I cant imagine this is competitive equity. Monte Vista & James Logan (D1), Acalanes & Northgate (D2) Moreau Catholic & Alhambra (D3), Marin Catholic (D4) were all eliminated tonight.
NCS Champions and Runners up - Losing
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How many of them were even favored? It looks like all 3 NCS Open teams that were placed in D1 won tonight though.
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Heritage lost but BOD and Cardinal Newman are still alive. Both will most likely lose in the next round in D1 and Piedmont in D2.
As the Moreau Coach, I must say that the seeding of our team made no sense! with that said, good luck to all teams still in playoffs!
Salesian is also still alive, and is actually the team that took out the NCS D2 champ Acalanes. Half the teams lose every night.
The real head scratcher is Acalanes and Marin Catholic. Acalanes really didn't have a "quality" win to put them in D1. If NCS and CIF really wanted to do justice, they'd seed top to bottom in sections and stick with it. I feel the most bad for the public schools. Seems like they really got screwed.
It's not seeding, it's placement. The only division that features actual seeding is the Open. There, it's quality vs. quality based on criteria that make some sense. The rest is thrown together like a Rube Goldberg contraption.
Well I think it's seeding and placement. Marin Catholic was placed and seeded in a lose lose situation. As was acalanes. Would Acalanes fare better against the number 6 seed vs. number 1? maybe. Taking a champion and putting them at 15-16 is just stupid thinking.
naw it made perfect sense. after all you didnt want to play certain teams on your pre season schedule because you felt it was a program decision to play better teams right? So dont complain now SMH. somtimes Karma gets you when you least expect it)
Coach, I had the honor of watching you play throughout the year and all I have to say is, you did it!!! YOU WON BIG! You did it right and can hold your heads high. You are a hell of a coach and those girls are special. Thank you for five back to THE GAME.
All 4 NCS division/section winners 1-4 ended up in D1 and on the road. Im not sure how or who is in the seedings room but if the NCS had a rep in there he did a crappy job putting our girls into a position to succeed. At least 2 (Marin Catholic and Acalanes) should have been in D2 and easily could have switched spots with a couple of those SJS squads in D2 such as McClatchy and Antelope.
BOD vs SHC was a great game and far more competitive than I expected (even if the final score didn't show it). BOD was up 1 at end of 1st and at half. SHC was up 4 with 3 minutes left in the 3rd before Bonner took over. BOD closed with a 9-0 run in the 3rd and 7-0 run to start the 4th. I think fatigue kicked in a bit as SHC only rotated 7 players for the first time all season. Bonner is the real deal though. She willed her team to the win.
The NCS may have got worked even worse on the boys side and that is saying a lot.
I feel you coach. As a fan of Christian Brothers-Sacramento, it looks like your program -- like ours -- was a victim of your own success. CB qualified for five-consecutive SJS D3 finals (prior to the pandemic year), winning three. We got moved up to D2 playoffs this season and lost in the second round. At 23-6, we hoped that we might get an at-large bid in either D2 or D3, but a confusing cascade of events left us out in the cold. Your program and Vanden, both D3 champs, were boosted to D1 while some D1 programs, Lincoln-Stockton and McClatchy, were dropped (rewarded?) to D2. One school with a 9-16 (1-8 league) record was seeded #13 in D1 and was unsurprisingly trounced. Makes no sense.
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Im curious coach did you think your squad should have been seeded higher or lower?
Falcon Pride! (C/O 94). I just talked about that 9-16 above. In no way should they have been in D1. They were blitzed by Vanden and Salesian in the pre-season. They also play Mitty, SI, Valley Christian and Saint Francis twice a year so 2-8 in league isn't a surprise. At least, not this year where they only had 3 upper class(wo)men play any minutes. That said, the game vs BOD was much closer than the score indicates as SHC was actually up 4 late in the 3rd quarter. I do think Vanden was appropriately placed in D1 and Salesian could have easily been in Open. That said, Vanden will have their hands full with SI tomorrow and Salesian could easily find themselves playing for a state championship in a week and a half.
Thanks coach! The girls did a good job this season, they played with a lot of heart and respected the game.
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We thought that if they were going to 'REWARD' us and move up to D1, that our seeding should of been a bit higher than a #15. Not because we didn't want to play SMS, but because we felt we had a stronger season than some of the teams above us. Of course us playing D2 with a top 3 seed would of also made sense. We get it, it's not perfect science and teams need to be ready to play anyone, anywhere.
Marin Catholic was D-1 squad. They played SI tough. It was 41-41 in the 4th, but SI had a quick run and got it to 8 and then it was a foul game. The seeding was crappy. Likely a little better seed would have gotten them another night. In the end they lost only to Monte Vista, SI twice, pinewood and Salesian this year. They beat SHC and Cardinal Newman but we’re seeded below.
I think you guys would have been seeded higher if you had played 2 of the following teams and beat them: SHC, Palo Alto, Monte Vista, St Francis instead of playing Pinewood and Mitty and losing those two games by a lot.
The NCAA selection committee chair typically answers questions such as why certain teams were seeded at X, on where (region) they were seeded and why teams were left out. Shouldn't we get that transparency from a NorCal selection committee spokesperson?
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Being in a tough conference shouldn't give you a free pass into the playoffs. If that's the ticket, then teams should load their preseason schedules with Mitty, O'Dowd, Pinewood, et al and say, "We're 0-12, but look who we played. Put us in." To that I reply, "Just win, baby."
We were scheduled to play MV in the Jamboree, but we were moved up to Diamond the day before, so didn't have the chance.
However we did play Valley Christian and won that game, but maybe them being in CCS open gave them a higher seed. I assume the same with SHC another CCS open team.
Just a tough luck of the draw, too good for D2/3 but not good enough for a better seed in D1. In the end the girls played their hearts out all year and learned a ton.
I'll have to disagree with you on this point Colonel. Rube Goldberg machines must be well thought out and constructed in order to fulfill their task. Your comment is disrespectful to all of the wonderful Rube Goldberg machines out there, and to their creators. (
)Make no mistake, they made CCS playoffs because the prerequisite is winning preseason record (which they had) or winning league record. They made NorCal because they were placed in CCS Open, which we're all still a little baffled about. I look at the D2 and D3 brackets and believe whole-heartedly they would have competed with those schools and still make it into NorCal. Maybe then they would have been placed in a more appropriate bracket, rather than D1 where they did not belong. I think you're looking at the record and making a split decision about them. This is a talented, albeit young, squad. And they showed that by hanging for 3 quarters against a talented Bishop O'Dowd team last night. Many of their losses are a result of young players making rookie mistakes and some questionable coaching. But if this core returns next year, they will make some noise.
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It still baffles me that MC was seeded lower than SHC. That was a fun game, early in the season.
All in all somebody gotta play these games.
one can say that they’re 3/4 teams in D2 and one team in D3 that could play in D1 for sure.
one can say that they’re 3/4 teams in D2 and one team in D3 that could play in D1 for sure.
this issue with the seeding with Marin Catholic was simply because no D4 teams were eligible for the NCS Open where Marin would have been the 4 seed and thus gotten a higher seeding in the D1 norcals. They HAD to be put lower than CN (despite the h2h win) and Heritage based on the criteria that the NCS Open were the top 6 in the norcals. That same reasoning also hurt Moreau seeding as they had to be placed behind Heritage also.
Im sure the powers that be didnt envision the scenario that played out this year to happen but unfortunately for Marin Catholic it did. Shouldn't happen going forward at least as I'm pretty sure Marin Catholic is now getting moved up to D3 and thus will become Open eligible going forward.
Im sure the powers that be didnt envision the scenario that played out this year to happen but unfortunately for Marin Catholic it did. Shouldn't happen going forward at least as I'm pretty sure Marin Catholic is now getting moved up to D3 and thus will become Open eligible going forward.
there are DEFINITELY a couple of D2 teams that should have flip flopped with a couple of the D1s
Marin Catholic was not complaining when they were not eligible for the open and when NCS gave out 4 bids to Nor Cal in D4. They should not complain when getting seeded behind open teams that they beat. They can petition NCS to have 8 teams in the open, which include D4 and D5 and limit the automatic qualifiers to 2, champion and runner up only like D1 - D3.
