Just heard CN QB Beau Barrington has committed to ASU as a preferred walk-on. Kid and his family has overcome a lot with losing homes in the fire while still taking Newman to the NCS finals against MC. Also a standout baseball player. Wouldn't be surprised if he earns a scholarship.
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I do not know this kid's story (if he is PWO or a scholarship player).
PWO's do not sign NLI's. Lot of schools have PWO's sign a piece of paper that is intended to be a photo op and help the kid feel like is valued. A NLI is legally binding on both the kid and school. A piece of paper on ASU letterhead from the coach inviting the player to walk on is not the same as a NLI.
There is too much appropriation of terms that mean one thing being stretched to mean something else. When we say a player 'signs' that used to mean that he signed a NLI. When we say a player 'commits' that used to mean that he was offered a scholarship and has chosen to accept the scholarship offer and will sign the NLI.
So when we say that a who was not offered a scholarship 'commits' I find that confusing. And when we say a PWO signs a NLI, that is massively confusing. But we see lots of high schools using the terms wrong (intentionally?) to inflate their image of players moving to the next level.
PWO's do not sign NLI's. Lot of schools have PWO's sign a piece of paper that is intended to be a photo op and help the kid feel like is valued. A NLI is legally binding on both the kid and school. A piece of paper on ASU letterhead from the coach inviting the player to walk on is not the same as a NLI.
There is too much appropriation of terms that mean one thing being stretched to mean something else. When we say a player 'signs' that used to mean that he signed a NLI. When we say a player 'commits' that used to mean that he was offered a scholarship and has chosen to accept the scholarship offer and will sign the NLI.
So when we say that a who was not offered a scholarship 'commits' I find that confusing. And when we say a PWO signs a NLI, that is massively confusing. But we see lots of high schools using the terms wrong (intentionally?) to inflate their image of players moving to the next level.
If you are offered PWO status and don’t “commit” to it, they might give that “spot” to someone else. A lot of semantics, but no real NLI involved.
They obviously like him and had enough interest in him. So did TCU. The did can flat out play. Had a great season for an awesome program and QB coach (cronin). Newman kids do well in college. They tend to be overlooked in HS. He held his own against some big time players.
I wish nothing but the best for this kid and I hope he seizes the opportunity he is being given. The rest of this post has nothing to do with him.
There is so much emphasis these days on kids 'being recruited' - and the social media attention given to kids who have this status. I would argue that many of these players would be better off attending a JC.
At the very least, players should understand the reality of their walk-on status. For at least the first year - They are not going to travel, no training table, they will play scout team if they get any team reps at all. They will go thru the same indo work (maybe group work), but they may not get coached (coaches tend to spend time coaching the players who will play). The walk-on may not even receive the ability to register for classes early with the rest of the players, so he can be constantly juggling class availability and academic progress with practice/lifting. They will face a very large uphill battle turning their walk-on status into a scholarship (the school will continue to recruit kids at their position). The walk-on either breaks into this group, or he is relegated to the walk-on status for the balance of his time at the school. The coach's attitude toward the player has tremendous meaning - and can completely change the player's opportunity.
The reality is that most walk-on's end up quitting before they complete their athletic eligibility. If the player is a PWO, then the player is 'recruited'. While that may be something to brag about on social media, and their high school may tout this as another recruited athlete moving to a big-time school, the player is now subject to the transfer rules of their sport. This is why many of the walk-ons who really want to play end up bouncing back to a JC before moving to their next school.
If the player attended a JC, the path could be completely different. They could play in real college football games against very good competition. They will get coached. Instead of competing for a scholarship against the handful of players at their position as a walk-on, they will be competing for a scholarship against a wider group of players - their video highlights will be against college players - and they have a very wide pool of schools from which to choose. There are just too many players that have been 'one and done' at JC's to ignore (these players only play one semester then scholarship). IMO, any player who is a PWO should at least consider the JC route in their decision process. It may not have the same social media impact, but it can be a much better path for a lot of players. I personally have seen many players who were either un-recruited in high school, or only had minor interest turn the JC route into a scholarship after a few months on the JC campus.
There is so much emphasis these days on kids 'being recruited' - and the social media attention given to kids who have this status. I would argue that many of these players would be better off attending a JC.
At the very least, players should understand the reality of their walk-on status. For at least the first year - They are not going to travel, no training table, they will play scout team if they get any team reps at all. They will go thru the same indo work (maybe group work), but they may not get coached (coaches tend to spend time coaching the players who will play). The walk-on may not even receive the ability to register for classes early with the rest of the players, so he can be constantly juggling class availability and academic progress with practice/lifting. They will face a very large uphill battle turning their walk-on status into a scholarship (the school will continue to recruit kids at their position). The walk-on either breaks into this group, or he is relegated to the walk-on status for the balance of his time at the school. The coach's attitude toward the player has tremendous meaning - and can completely change the player's opportunity.
The reality is that most walk-on's end up quitting before they complete their athletic eligibility. If the player is a PWO, then the player is 'recruited'. While that may be something to brag about on social media, and their high school may tout this as another recruited athlete moving to a big-time school, the player is now subject to the transfer rules of their sport. This is why many of the walk-ons who really want to play end up bouncing back to a JC before moving to their next school.
If the player attended a JC, the path could be completely different. They could play in real college football games against very good competition. They will get coached. Instead of competing for a scholarship against the handful of players at their position as a walk-on, they will be competing for a scholarship against a wider group of players - their video highlights will be against college players - and they have a very wide pool of schools from which to choose. There are just too many players that have been 'one and done' at JC's to ignore (these players only play one semester then scholarship). IMO, any player who is a PWO should at least consider the JC route in their decision process. It may not have the same social media impact, but it can be a much better path for a lot of players. I personally have seen many players who were either un-recruited in high school, or only had minor interest turn the JC route into a scholarship after a few months on the JC campus.
Obviously you know what you're talking about Feedback, and you make some great points. I think JC is often a great option. However there are exceptions, and there also are a hella lot of JC students, athletes or not, who take forever to get the credits they need to move on to a 4-year college, and/or just don't move on.
As for exceptions, here's a great read about a great exception. This kid was unloved out of HS, despite a great career, and turned down D2 options to attend Cal as a PWO. There he has done nothing but grind and grind and grind. Looks like it may start paying off finally. Even if he never sees the field the rest of the way, he's going to have a Cal degree, and probably enough experience to be a college football coach if he wishes.
http://calbears.com/news/2018/4/20/football-knowing-it-all.aspx
As for exceptions, here's a great read about a great exception. This kid was unloved out of HS, despite a great career, and turned down D2 options to attend Cal as a PWO. There he has done nothing but grind and grind and grind. Looks like it may start paying off finally. Even if he never sees the field the rest of the way, he's going to have a Cal degree, and probably enough experience to be a college football coach if he wishes.
http://calbears.com/news/2018/4/20/football-knowing-it-all.aspx
Baker Mayfield walked on at Texas Tech. QB is the hardest position to recruit for. Not even close. A lot of blue chippers end up being poo chips. No different than NFL teams drafting. A lot of intangibles get overlooked. Time will tell but my bet says he opens some eyes and wins a scholarship eventually. There are a lot of success stories out there like the one above.
Walking on at ASU is a good opportunity for Barrington. It is a great story. Also good story for ASU to give the kid an opportunity.
From Athleticscholarships.net. “Football is different from most other sports in that it has a roster size limit during part of the year. FBS football teams are limited to 105 participants between the start of fall camp and the first game or start of school (whichever comes first). These walk-ons have to come to campus early and the institution will be footing the bill for their housing and food during preseason practice, so it is important to distinguish who should come in early August and who should wait until school starts.”
CSM and CCSF are two very good options for a young QB. The "grey shirt" year is a typical move for these community college programs. That year, which does not begin until the second semester or winter term, allows an athlete to extend his eligibility into a sixth year if, eventually, a redshirt year is also involved later. Enrollment at a four-year school does not allow for that grey shirt ploy. Hence another reason for taking a long look at the JC route.
Good point. You look at a kid like Hunter Rodrigues who was a very good player at Whitney but a little small and under radar. Goes to ARC and utilizes redshirt and does well. What do you know. Earns a scholarship to UCD. Barrington reminds me a lot of him. 6"1 or so with a great arm. Smart. You never know about a QB. Hardest position to recruit for and draft in NFL.
Unless you are strictly a triple option QB, CSM is not a good program for QBs. There are only a few colleges that run Flexbone or a scheme that uses a triple option QB (i.e. Cal Poly, Air Force). CCSF, Santa Rosa, DVC, ARC, Sac City, Sierra would all be better options that CSM for QB's.
Before going grey shirt, players should understand what it means. If the player feels like they are D1, then they should not grey shirt. The day you enroll in college, your D1 clock starts and you have 5 years to play 4. There are a few exceptions (military service, religious mission, etc.). So if a player tries to enroll in a JC and take less than 12 units, they are effectively red shirting (for D1).
D2 and D3 use a different clock. It starts when you become a 'full time' student, meaning taking over 12 units. So players can go to a JC and take less than 12 units when they arrive and their D2/D3 clock does not start until they go over 12 units. Once they are enrolled full time, then the clock starts (10 semesters or 15 quarters to play 4 years).
