I'm still trying to find out what was the home field based on. OR 11-2 Central 13-0. Seems a little bias. Just saying.
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Exactly the point I made last week. Totally agree this is the reason OR got the D1AA slot instead of Serra. "QB's Matters"
I don't get the reasoning for most of the home field basis, but for Central - if memory serves correctly - the field advantage has alternated. 2017 Sac, 2018 Fres, 2019 Sac. So whether valid or not, this seems like the D1-AA pattern.
DIVISION 5–AA
Del Norte, Crescent City (12-2) at Kings Academy (10-3) – Friday, Dec. 6 at 7:30 p.m.
First of all DN was 12-1 not 12-2 and rated and ranked higher then kings which by the way has two of the three losses to teams ranked lower then DN. Some one please explain to me why Del Norte has a short week and a seven hour drive to play a team on there home field that they are clearly better than .
Del Norte, Crescent City (12-2) at Kings Academy (10-3) – Friday, Dec. 6 at 7:30 p.m.
First of all DN was 12-1 not 12-2 and rated and ranked higher then kings which by the way has two of the three losses to teams ranked lower then DN. Some one please explain to me why Del Norte has a short week and a seven hour drive to play a team on there home field that they are clearly better than .
Good news is that Del Norte should have no problem with King's (correct?) and will then get to host a state title game.
Traditionally, when the upper divisions (open-D2-A) are hosted by the North the lower divisions (D3-AA - D7AA) are played in the South and when the upper divisions are hosted by the South (like it is this year) the lower divisions are played in the North. However, there is an important caveat - the teams wishing to host have to submit an application to host. See excerpt fro the CIF Championship handbook below
Championship Site
Schools have the option to apply to host a Regional Championship Bowl Game. The Application to Host a CIF Regional Championship Bowl Game and the instructions for submission are located in the Appendices (p.19). This form also requests that schools indicate if the site is available to host a State Championship Bowl Game on Saturday, December 14 at 6pm.
Completely agree. I recall a few people here using the phrase “watered down” when news of this current system first broke. There’s just too much. I get wanting all section champs to have a shot. But reality is many section champs aren’t really all that worthy. Some sections/divisions are really thin and not all that competitive. Also believe 3, 4, 5+ loss teams don’t have much business competing for a State title.
IDK about the team, but I do believe the CIF considered the QB situations. Many believe it was considered back in 2009 when previously undefeated Rocklin didn’t land in the Open after their star QB was injured in the Section Final and ruled out of the SBG.
To sum up my POV on the slotting of Serra and OR, I agree with @Cal 14 that based upon resume, Serra is more deserving than OR. And now understanding that these games aren’t slotted with at least some consideration for enrollment, I still don’t believe it’s a big deal. Outside of Open, it just doesn’t matter IMO.
But, yes, I’d rather see Serra match up with Central. But at the end of it all, every single winner gets to hang a banner and refer to themselves as State Champs. Only the Open winner gets to be considered clear cut #1, which is why I don’t think the other designations matter and why Serra/CCS might not care.
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I just found this in the Mercury News:
So, for whatever reason, they saw them as even teams and liked these matchups better.
Like you, I disagree. OR lost to two good teams, but Rocklin’s subsequent loss to Whitney made that loss a lot worse.
Serra has one less loss and is also co-champ of one of the 3 best leagues in NorCal, along with the SFL. Meanwhile OR didn’t win a share of the SFL and instead finished tied for 2nd while losing to the other 2nd place team.
To me, that would be a separator.
Home field is based upon the CIF spreading the games around the region, and whether are not you hosted the previous year. Record, league finish, enrollment have nothing to do with it. This isn't a playoff system. Its a Bowl system. They look for the best matchups and spread the games around the state. The bottom 8 divisions this year will have State games in the North at home/host sites. While the top 5 will be in the South at Cerritos College. 3 years ago it was flipped. I believe this is the last year with Cerritos College so look for the top 5 to be up North next year.
Central is a beast loaded with speed and next level athletes. I don't see OR or Serra staying with them. Maybe folsom but that won't happen. I think Serra and their fans are happy that they have a winnable game now. I love OR but they are going to get run over.
Agreed. That is the fine line that people are completely overlooking. Serra had no chance against Central. Truthfully, I'm not sure that their game with San Joaquin Memorial is a lock. But against Central they were destined to lose. They oughta be happy with where they're seated.
Valley Christian's defense was absolute nails this year. They only allowed double-digits of opponent's scoring four times all year...
but, two of those times were against Serra and their backup QB. 17 points in the title game was the most they had allowed all year.
I don't know about that my friend. I'm a Fresno guy and my folks in Fresno are not as confident as you are. They wish this was 2017 Central team playing OR. They believe OR's QB Lamson can be a problem with his arm and running ability but more so with his feet. Lamson is the biggest and most athletic QB they've faced all season. He's well respected out there and on their radar big time. They do believe RB Conley is their answer to Lamson on offense. Saying if OR shut Conley down the Grizzlies will have a long ride home. But if Conley goes ape shit on OR's defense the Grizzlies will be playing in the State Championship game. It's that simple. And I know for a fact myself that the 2017 team had more players of parents/relatives that I played against in high school. They unfortunately had to play Folsom for a berth to the State Championship game. And btw, the Junkie will be in Fresno on Friday. Yeah-ya!!!
I believe both teams are capable of beating Central. But I liked Serra's chances better. OR's gonna have to be more on their game than Serra needed to be IMO.
I don't know about that my friend. I'm a Fresno guy and my folks in Fresno are not as confident as you are. They wish this was 2017 Central team playing OR. They believe OR's QB Lamson can be a problem with his arm and running ability but more so with his feet. Lamson is the biggest and most athletic QB they've faced all season. He's well respected out there and on their radar big time. They do believe RB Conley is their answer to Lamson on offense. Saying if OR shut Conley down the Grizzlies will have a long ride home. But if Conley goes ape shit on OR's defense the Grizzlies will be playing in the State Championship game. It's that simple. And I know for a fact myself that the 2017 team had more players of parents/relatives that I played against in high school. They unfortunately had to play Folsom for a berth to the State Championship game. And btw, the Junkie will be in Fresno on Friday. Yeah-ya!!!
I think People are vastly underestimating how good this oak ridge team is. (I believe central isn’t though) I don’t see them getting steam rolled. They aren’t playing mater dei or Bosco. Lamson is one of the best competitors I’ve seen in the last 20 plus years. Kid is a warrior. He rushed for almost 150 yards against MT who has athletes as well. He’s a nightmare to contain.
It’s a home game and conditions will be crappy. Team that handles ball well will come out on top. Also heard Dylan Warfield will be back. He’s there top RB/DB and at 6”1 205 is the sort of back they need in these conditions.
I think it will be a good game. I know I will be out there
I believe OR can beat Central. But I also believe they'll have to play a more perfect game than Serra would have needed to.
I believe OR's offense should be able to move the ball and score. My concern in the other side of the ball.
However, logic should tell you that if OR could compete and nearly beat Folsom, they should be able to hang with Central -- even though this Folsom team wasn't as good as season's past. I don't believe this Central team is much better, if any, than Folsom. OR should be ok.
Agree TR. They need to really limit the explosive plays. I think Serra fully healthy was just a notch below DLS this year. But the next best.
Hmmm, interesting that Central & Serra's SOS is exactly the same with only one difference - Serra's opponents have a much higher winning percentage against their opponents. Some of Central fans posts are indeed humorous looking at the data of the 2 teams & an absolute A+ in Homerism. Yes indeed Serra would stand no chance at all against Central
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