Nor-Cal Composite Top 20 HS Rankings 10/17
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McClymonds undervalued on this site, in my opinion. Non-league schedule is comparable to Liberty, but wins have consistently been by bigger margins.
My NorCal top 10:
1. De La Salle
2. Folsom
3. Serra
4. Valley Christian
5. Oak Ridge
6. McClymonds
7. Monterey Trail
8. Inderkum
9. Marin Catholic
10. Wilcox *
* I'm aware that published ranking systems must place Pittsburg over the Chargers due to their head-to-head game, but my list is based on this: who do I think would win right now in a game? I did not see the Wilcox-Pitt game, but here's how I am guessing it went down... Chargers got out to a nice lead by the end of the 3rd quarter, then tried to run out the clock on the ground. Not having their #1 back, Pitt stacked the LOS and stopped them, finally seizing momentum and eventually the win. All this said, I don't think a full-strength Wilcox (as they are right now) loses to Pitt (who I have at #11). I have Liberty at #12.
The only reason why Liberty is ranked high is because of their QB. However, if you just looked at the team stats for the year, they would not be that high if nobody told you who he was.
My NorCal top 10:
1. De La Salle
2. Folsom
3. Serra
4. Valley Christian
5. Oak Ridge
6. McClymonds
7. Monterey Trail
8. Inderkum
9. Marin Catholic
10. Wilcox *
* I'm aware that published ranking systems must place Pittsburg over the Chargers due to their head-to-head game, but my list is based on this: who do I think would win right now in a game? I did not see the Wilcox-Pitt game, but here's how I am guessing it went down... Chargers got out to a nice lead by the end of the 3rd quarter, then tried to run out the clock on the ground. Not having their #1 back, Pitt stacked the LOS and stopped them, finally seizing momentum and eventually the win. All this said, I don't think a full-strength Wilcox (as they are right now) loses to Pitt (who I have at #11). I have Liberty at #12.
The only reason why Liberty is ranked high is because of their QB. However, if you just looked at the team stats for the year, they would not be that high if nobody told you who he was.
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Yeah not understanding why Mack is so undervalued on NCP? There isn’t 10 teams in NorCal better then them that’s for sure and even made a solid San Leandro team run for the hills rather then play them
and the love for MA is ridiculous ? They couldn’t even push Folsom for 5 minutes they folded immediately and they are at #8? They got manhandled by Serra didn’t even put up a fight and got their asses beat by East? What have they done besides get their asses kicked by anyone with a pulse ? Mack would kick their faces in that’s for sure
and the love for MA is ridiculous ? They couldn’t even push Folsom for 5 minutes they folded immediately and they are at #8? They got manhandled by Serra didn’t even put up a fight and got their asses beat by East? What have they done besides get their asses kicked by anyone with a pulse ? Mack would kick their faces in that’s for sure
I get what you're saying regarding Wilcox and Pitt, and agree with most of what you surmise. But the only way to determine who would win a rematch is to play again. Who is this missing back for Wilcox and what's his name? If they had a nice lead they should have been able to hold it. After all, they got that nice lead without their #1 back right?Seems like you're constructing a narrative without giving Pitt any credit for a hard fought comeback win.A Wilcox lost the game as opposed to Pitt winning it kind of thing. And that's fine.
Idk about not putting up a fight against Serra it was 3-0 with 6 min to go in the 2nd and if Serra didn’t convert a 4th and goal it would have probably been 3-0 into halftime.
And they jumped on East 20-7.
might have been too harsh but point being they got run out with all that talent once they got punched in the mouth, absolutely gave up
Paul Rosa, their leading rusher. Look him up. He’s having a really good year. Coach’s son, I believe.
The way I surmise they got the lead in the first place was with a balanced attack. But, as often teams do with a lead, they get conservative. Without Rosa to bludgeon it home, Pitt was able to come back.
I don't think McClymonds' non-league is as good at Liberty's, but there is a trail to rankings. We have Liberty high, but also have Cardinal Newman and Monte Vista high. Most that have McClymonds have probably have Marin Catholic shortly behind them.
Cal 14, what is the rationale behind Oak Ridge and Monterey Trail being in the Top 10?
Cal 14, what is the rationale behind Oak Ridge and Monterey Trail being in the Top 10?
I mean MT cal prep rating should have them top 10 and their Paraclete win is better than most in the top 20 not sure how you don’t even have them in the top 20? HMB is in the top 20 with a negative schedule rating come on? Best win is SHP and then who ? Hillsdale?
Default as much as anything else. In the CCS, there's a drop between Serra/VC and the rest, aside from maybe Wilcox.
In the NCS, there's a canyon between DLS and the rest. Even more than usual. I don't have any respect for Monte Vista, California, CVC, or Foothill. Cardinal Newman is good and that may be Liberty's lone solid win. Monte Vista's claim to fame is beating Granite Bay (who also lost to Vacaville and Del Oro) and not getting blown out by the Lions. CVC now has multiple losses. It would be one thing if Liberty were blowing these teams out, but they're not. I can't ignore that they barely beat Oakdale, but Palma does the same by 2 TDs (then, promptly loses to Salinas who is probably only borderline top 20).
Yes, Oak Ridge got caught by Rocklin. Yes, Monterey Trail got beat by Cosumnes Oaks. The Rocklin game happened right after the emotional game against Folsom. The MT loss was sandwiched between crushing San Ramon Valley (which I bet Liberty couldn't do) and beating Paraclete. At the end of the day, do I think either of these teams would struggle against Oakdale? No. Would they struggle against Clayton Valley? No. If these were one-off struggles for Liberty, I could see past them, but they weren't.
I think Pitt will beat the Lions this week.
As for McClymonds, I think the Marin Catholic win is at least as good as that of Cardinal Newman (who doesn't have a win like against Mitty), and they didn't just barely get it. The Campolindo win is not that different than was Monte Vista, and they didn't just barely get it.
When Monterey Trail gave the game away to Cosumnes Oaks (six fumbles in the last 14 minutes is abominable, but also an abberation) I knew that the rankings would take a hit. I also knew that a solid win over Paraclete would be too far away geographically to make an impact. Couple that with the fact that there is no match-up in league that will salvage the perception of this year's team, and we predictably end up where we are now. Luckily, the loss happened in pre-league and not in the playoffs. When the second season rolls around, Monterey Trail will have every chance to display their relative strength.
My issue with the NCP top 20 is Menlo-Atherton. Folson played Oak Ridge, Menlo-Atherton & Rocklin in 3 consecutive weeks. Took a 4th quarter score to beat Oak RIdge, the Rocklin game was back and forth thru the first half. The halftime score of the Menlo-Atherton game was 35-0 and ended 49-0. Yet you have Menlo-Atherton at #8 and Oak Ridge & Rocklin at #15 & #16. Dont get your rationale on the Bears.
The Oak Ridge-Folsom game needs context. Ngata was out for the first 3 quarters, I believe, for Folsom. When he came into the game, the Bulldogs took over for the win.
That said, I do think that M-A is getting too much benefit of the doubt. I don't think they'd beat Wilcox. I'm not sure they'd beat St. Ignatius or Mitty. I've seen them play a little. They are athletic, but that clearly has not been enough against better teams. They also had some transfers that needed to become eligible. We'll see where they are in the playoffs.
Paraclete is sort of a Jekyll and Hyde team. They lost to Whitney, but beat Chaminade (who just beat Sherman Oaks Notre Dame, to whom Paraclete lost). Ultimately, that should be viewed as a pretty good win for MT, in my opinion.
"Pretty good" is a fair assessment. Paraclete is definitely an up and down team. Lots of talent, but Monterey Trail frustrated them by slowing the game down and bleeding the clock. Like I said, it was just too far away to make an impact. Plus, the score doesn't really tell the whole story. It was a battle of styles that you had to see to really appreciate.
As for McClymonds, I think the Marin Catholic win is at least as good as that of Cardinal Newman (who doesn't have a win like against Mitty), and they didn't just barely get it. The Campolindo win is not that different than was Monte Vista, and they didn't just barely get it.[/QUOTE]
There's canyon between De La Salle and every team in NorCal. I see a lot of CCS bias like an MC home win against Mitty being a great win (CalPreps #128), while CN away wins over Sutter (#85) and Placer (#118) not being as good. Agree that Liberty is not the same kind of dangerous as last year, but until somebody beats them it makes no sense to put them behind one loss teams based on a feeling. Every team has injuries so playing the injury card doesn't hold water especially when Rosa's backup ran for 215 yards, 7.4 per carry against Pitt.
I know MC415 can't wait for Matteo Perez and Jamar Sekona to feast on Newman. Should be fun.
There's canyon between De La Salle and every team in NorCal. I see a lot of CCS bias like an MC home win against Mitty being a great win (CalPreps #128), while CN away wins over Sutter (#85) and Placer (#118) not being as good. Agree that Liberty is not the same kind of dangerous as last year, but until somebody beats them it makes no sense to put them behind one loss teams based on a feeling. Every team has injuries so playing the injury card doesn't hold water especially when Rosa's backup ran for 215 yards, 7.4 per carry against Pitt.
I know MC415 can't wait for Matteo Perez and Jamar Sekona to feast on Newman. Should be fun.
MA is not good. Was at Folsom game and it was night and day compared to watching oak ridge and Rocklin. Hell Whitney is better from what’s I’ve seen. And 51-24 victory last week was much closer than final.
Newman and MC part x is going to be great. Newman long overdue but MC seems to have there #
Newman and MC part x is going to be great. Newman long overdue but MC seems to have there #
Sutter barely beat Benicia. Are they world-beaters now, too?
Newman beat Placer by 3. Whitney beat the Hillmen by 13. Should the Wildcats also be ranked in the NorCal top 20?
Calpreps way under-rated the CCS at the start of the year. Serra started with a 14.3! Almost all of the significant CCS teams have had their ratings rise from the beginning of the year. Calpreps also has difficulty with relatively closed sections like the NS. Sutter's been blowing those teams out, but what does that really mean? Is Benicia the best out-of-section win for the entire NS? Looks like it.
Finally, with regards to the Wilcox backup RB, do you think he was accustomed to playing all 4 quarters as a lead rusher? Probably not. If he got that many yards on Pitt, I might imagine Rosa would have done even more damage. Depth matters, too. Sorry, my opinion is not swayed.
Not in the top 10. Right now, maybe borderline top 20. If they go undefeated through league play, I think maybe they deserve some attention, but they can't have any hiccups like they had against Hollister last year. I think the SJ Merc/EB Times has them at #14 in the Bay Area, though. That's somethin'.
Please note that while I have Wilcox at 10, I also have Pitt at 11. This mostly is a statement that if this were a part of the our weekly Pick'Em, I would take the Chargers to win, but I acknowledge that it would be another tough-fought game. For what it's worth, I actually took Pitt in the first game and was surprised by how it turned out.
I've got the Pirates beating Liberty this weekend. Hope that happens.
