NorCal Bowl Winners - By the Numbers

[Streak One]

Section:

NCS: 7
SJS: 5
Central: 1
CCS: 1
San Francisco: 1

First Time NorCal Champs:

Twelve Bridges
Amador Valley
Carmel
Sonora
American Canyon
Summerville
Arcarta
Moreau Catholic

Quick Notes:

Since the regional bowls expanded in 2015, the Central Section's top team is now 4-6 in 1-AA and 1-A regional games.

This is the first time a Northern Section team hasn't made the state bowls since 2019

Only four of the 13 games games were dedided by one possession this weekend, but the the top two games on Friday were with Folsom-Pittsburg and Grant-St. Francis.

 

[colhenrylives]

A rough weekend for CCS: 1 title (Carmel). Ouch.

 

[THEOC89]

A rough weekend for CCS: 1 title (Carmel). Ouch.

Was really hoping to see SI win yesterday…. Tough run for the CCS this year in the postseason…..

 

[thespecialone]

What is not revealed by this stat is which sections got the benefit of playing up or down divisions depending on their ratings. I've noticed the SJS generally being seeded into more difficult divisions than they play in league. Also I believe CCS and NCS get more teams due to the losers of section title games being allowed to go on and play in the Nor Cal finals.

 

[FBAddict]

Section:

NCS: 7
SJS: 5
Central: 1
San Francisco: 1

First Time NorCal Champs:

Twelve Bridges
Amador Valley
Carmel
Sonora
American Canyon
Summerville
Arcarta
Moreau Catholic

Quick Notes:

Since the regional bowls expanded in 2015, the Central Section's top team is now 4-6 in 1-AA and 1-A regional games.

This is the first time a Northern Section team hasn't made the state bowls since 2019

Only four of the 13 games games were dedided by one possession this weekend, but the the top two games on Friday were with Folsom-Pittsburg and Grant-St. Francis.

Edit - wow, I've seen other posts like this but this is the first to happen to me... Response in next post...

 

[FBAddict]

I think the new divisional allocation used by the NCS section really helped. I believe 7 out of 8 divisions winners is a record. Compared to previous years, it's a huge improvement.
2024 7 wins
2023 5 wins
2022 4 wins
2021 3 wins.

 

[observer22]

Section:

NCS: 7
SJS: 5
Central: 1
San Francisco: 1

By Central, you mean Central Coast Section. But there is also a Central Section that is involved. My first thought was that I knew there was a CCS team that advanced (Carmel), but they weren’t listed?

So no teams from Central, Northern or Oakland.

 

[Streak One]

By Central, you mean Central Coast Section. But there is also a Central Section that is involved. My first thought was that I knew there was a CCS team that advanced (Carmel), but they weren’t listed?

So no teams from Central, Northern or Oakland.

Updated it for Central Section and CCS each have one team.

 

[ararar]

North is favored in 12 of the games according to Calpreps.Only MD,Lincoln and Frontier are favored from the south

 

[thehookup55]

Was really hoping to see SI win yesterday…. Tough run for the CCS this year in the postseason…..

Tough to only have 1 team advance from CCS but St Francis and Wilcox had their games decided in the final seconds. Hard to be disappointed in good competitive football games.

 

[larry legend33]

Tough to only have 1 team advance from CCS but St Francis and Wilcox had their games decided in the final seconds. Hard to be disappointed in good competitive football games.

Wasn't Wilcox playing without there starting QB against Twelve Bridges?

 

[thehookup55]

Wasn't Wilcox playing without there starting QB against Twelve Bridges?

Correct. They aren't much of a passing team with him, but with RB Rosa and the back up QB taking all the snaps they weren't much of a threat to pass.

 

[Panther_81]

Correct. They aren't much of a passing team with him, but with RB Rosa and the back up QB taking all the snaps they weren't much of a threat to pass.

Wilcox lost their sophomore starting QB early in their Week 10 game vs. MA. He was throwing for about 100 yards per game at almost a 70% completion rate in their run heavy veer offense. But yes, throwing the ball became much more difficult without him. Rosa was 3 of 6 for 72 against a loaded box vs. Twelve Bridges. Imahara would have most likely had a field day vs. that front.

 

[Panther_81]

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Tough to only have 1 team advance from CCS but St Francis and Wilcox had their games decided in the final seconds. Hard to be disappointed in good competitive football games.

Tough way to lose for both teams, but at least SF didn’t have the game decided on the final play by an officiating error. The crew for the Wilcox/TB game made a mechanical/procedural mistake on Wilcox’s final play forcing to attempt a longer FG. The kick would have most likely been good from 5 yards closer. After resetting the ball, the Umpire punched in the play and the delay of game flag was thrown less than 5 seconds later. The crew then huddled up and decided that the delay of game call should stand and enforced the penalty. The kick fell about 2 yards short. Terrible way for a great high school football game to end.

 

[larry legend33]

Wilcox lost their sophomore starting QB early in their Week 10 game vs. MA. He was throwing for about 100 yards per game at almost a 70% completion rate in their run heavy veer offense. But yes, throwing the ball became much more difficult without him. Rosa was 3 of 6 for 72 against a loaded box vs. Twelve Bridges. Imahara would have most likely had a field day vs. that front.

Yeah completely diff team. Good for twelve bridges though for stepping up and getting win. These guys have been so mis seeded all year so it was nice to see a better game. No way should they be in d4. I think they would have competed in the d1-d2 SFL this year.

 

[aztecpadre]

A rough weekend for CCS: 1 title (Carmel). Ouch.

I see it differently. I see it as the greatest weekend ever!!!

 

[aztecpadre]

Tough way to lose for both teams, but at least SF didn’t have the game decided on the final play by an officiating error. The crew for the Wilcox/TB game made a mechanical/procedural mistake on Wilcox’s final play forcing to attempt a longer FG. The kick would have most likely been good from 5 yards closer. After resetting the ball, the Umpire punched in the play and the delay of game flag was thrown less than 5 seconds later. The crew then huddled up and decided that the delay of game call should stand and enforced the penalty. The kick fell about 2 yards short. Terrible way for a great high school football game to end.

Wow just watched the ending and counted down from the whistle to start the clock and it was 8.5 seconds before the flag is thrown. Its either some home town cooking by the ref or a makeup call for not calling the 12 men on the field on the prior play. Either way a ref should never play a deciding part in the last play of the game. Let the kids decide it on the field.

 

[Cal 14]

I see it differently. I see it as the greatest weekend ever!!!

So, you comin’ down or what?

 

[Cal 14]

Tough way to lose for both teams, but at least SF didn’t have the game decided on the final play by an officiating error. The crew for the Wilcox/TB game made a mechanical/procedural mistake on Wilcox’s final play forcing to attempt a longer FG. The kick would have most likely been good from 5 yards closer. After resetting the ball, the Umpire punched in the play and the delay of game flag was thrown less than 5 seconds later. The crew then huddled up and decided that the delay of game call should stand and enforced the penalty. The kick fell about 2 yards short. Terrible way for a great high school football game to end.

I agree. Was surprised that more time wasn’t put on the clock once the ref reset the ball position. That didn’t seem right.

 

[Cal 14]

What is not revealed by this stat is which sections got the benefit of playing up or down divisions depending on their ratings. I've noticed the SJS generally being seeded into more difficult divisions than they play in league. Also I believe CCS and NCS get more teams due to the losers of section title games being allowed to go on and play in the Nor Cal finals.

The SJS teams were placed higher because that is how they structured their own divisions.

Seriously, cry me a river with Twelve Bridges playing in D4.

Also, don’t be coming with the “oh, losers advance in the NCS and CCS” when the SJS is busy hiding the second best team in the section in D2.

 

[Cal 14]

North is favored in 12 of the games according to Calpreps.Only MD,Lincoln and Frontier are favored from the south

I’ll have to double check my list, but I believe the CIF created some disparities in the lower divisions by putting Kerman in NorCal.

 

[FBAddict]

Section:

NCS: 7
SJS: 5
Central: 1
CCS: 1
San Francisco: 1

First Time NorCal Champs:

Twelve Bridges
Amador Valley
Carmel
Sonora
American Canyon
Summerville
Arcarta
Moreau Catholic

Quick Notes:

Since the regional bowls expanded in 2015, the Central Section's top team is now 4-6 in 1-AA and 1-A regional games.

This is the first time a Northern Section team hasn't made the state bowls since 2019

Only four of the 13 games games were dedided by one possession this weekend, but the the top two games on Friday were with Folsom-Pittsburg and Grant-St. Francis.

I'm a little late to the party with these stats. Here are the number of playoff slots per section and their win percentage in the RBG bowl games throughout California.

Sections Slots SBG %Wins
CCS 6 1 16.67%
CS 7 3 42.86%
LAS 4 0 0.00%
NCS 8 7 87.50%
NS 4 0 0.00%
OS 1 0 0.00%
SDS 6 3 50.00%
SFS 1 1 100.00%
SJS 7 5 71.43%
SS 14 10 71.43%

The CIF started the regional bowl games in 2012 and increased the RBG slots to include all divisional champs in 2015.

CCS
This is CCS' worst year in the RBG since 2015 when the CIF first included all divisional champs in the bowl games. It suggests that the section, as a whole, was down. The CCS best years were 2017 and 2021.

CS
The CS had a slightly below average win rate is year. The section is split between SoCal and NorCal so their plight is less predictable.

LAS
There were no wins from the LAS section this year. This also happened for them in 2016. 2023 was their best year.

NCS
This was a great year for the NCS teams. A combination of the new divisional section process and generally productive year help these great results. But this year doesn't top their perfect 2019 win rate. The worst year was 2021.

NS
The NS section was blanked again this year. They failed to win any games in 2019 and usually get one team win in the RBG. Last year was their best year.

OS and SFS
I am combining the OS and SFS sections together. They only have one playoff slot each. I would suggest they play each other for a RBG slot but Mack would probably win every year. OS failed to win a RBG game this year, and also 2023 and 2015. The SFS gets a win this year. They failed last year and also 2016 and 2015.

SDS
The SDS usually represents well. This year, they won half of their games. Their best years were 2015-2018 and 2023 & 2019 were their worst years.

SJS
The SJS section has a good year with a 71% win rate. Their best year were 2018 while 2019 and 2017 were their worst years. Overall, this section follows the NCS for the best production rates in NorCal.

SS
The biggest section with 14 divisions leads the way in how many divisions are needed for the CIF SBG games. This was the section's best year with 71% win rate. Most years, they have at least 50% wins but 2021 and 2018 failed that threshold.

 

[aztecpadre]

So, you comin’ down or what?

Yes sir. I answered on the other thread.

 

[BigMann08]

The SJS teams were placed higher because that is how they structured their own divisions.

Seriously, cry me a river with Twelve Bridges playing in D4.

Also, don’t be coming with the “oh, losers advance in the NCS and CCS” when the SJS is busy hiding the second best team in the section in D2.

The SJS has historically structured its divisions based on enrollment, with some exceptions. While this approach may seem like "hiding" strong teams such as the second-best in D2 or placing teams like Twelve Bridges in D4, it aligns with how the section prioritizes its divisional framework.

That said, an 8-team Open/Division 1 championship might reduce these issues but would exclude many teams with winning records. If the goal were to dominate NorCal, SJS could adjust its approach by aligning powerhouse programs—like Del Oro, Manteca, Destiny, Central Catholic, and St. Mary's—with their enrollment-based divisions to foster a more competitive balance across all divisions.

 

[Cal 14]

The SJS has historically structured its divisions based on enrollment, with some exceptions. While this approach may seem like "hiding" strong teams such as the second-best in D2 or placing teams like Twelve Bridges in D4, it aligns with how the section prioritizes its divisional framework.

That said, an 8-team Open/Division 1 championship might reduce these issues but would exclude many teams with winning records. If the goal were to dominate NorCal, SJS could adjust its approach by aligning powerhouse programs—like Del Oro, Manteca, Destiny, Central Catholic, and St. Mary's—with their enrollment-based divisions to foster a more competitive balance across all divisions.

The NCS and CCS (and CS, SS, LACS, and SDS for that matter) put all of their top teams in the top division in order to maintain divisional integrity (i.e., D-1 should be better than D-2, which is better than D-3, etc.).

The SJS chose not to do this. Could it be just wanting to keep enrollments as the biggest factor? Maybe, but that doesn't explain why Central Catholic is in D-1 while St. Mary's is in D-2. There once was a mechanism to place the champions of traditional D-1 leagues in the D-1 playoff division. That mysteriously has disappeared recently.

Hmmm... what else came into play around the same time that might have triggered that?

 

[BigMann08]

The NCS and CCS (and CS, SS, LACS, and SDS for that matter) put all of their top teams in the top division in order to maintain divisional integrity (i.e., D-1 should be better than D-2, which is better than D-3, etc.).

The SJS chose not to do this. Could it be just wanting to keep enrollments as the biggest factor? Maybe, but t doesn't explain why Central Catholic is in D-1 while St. Mary's is in D-2. There once was a mechanism to place the champions of traditional D-1 leagues in the D-1 playoff division. That mysteriously has disappeared recently.

Hmmm... what else came into play around the same time that might have triggered that?

The SJS takes both the size of the school and how well its teams perform into account when setting up playoff divisions. This is why schools like Del Oro, Central Catholic, Destiny Christian Academy, St. Mary’s, and Manteca compete in higher divisions than their enrollment numbers might suggest.

Central Catholic, for example, has climbed from Division 4 to Division 1 because they kept winning championships in the lower divisions. This shows the SJS aims to keep competitions fair by moving successful teams up. Although Central Catholic hasn’t won a Division 1 championship yet, their move to a higher division was based on past successes.

Grant is another school moving up thanks to good performance over time, showing that the SJS looks at more than just how many students are in a school when deciding divisions.

St. Mary's has a unique story. They were in Division 1, then moved down to Division 3, and are now in Division 2, due to a long period without winning in Division 1. I believe their move reflects the SJS’s goal of making sure teams are in divisions where they can really compete, rather than just winning easily or always losing.

In the past, Grant competed in Division 1 despite having only 1,300 students, because they were that good. That time was seen as the golden age of Division 1 being the top division.

Things started to change in the mid-2000s. The SJS is a large section with many teams, which makes it challenging to manage. Some teams are very strong, while others struggle, making it hard to keep the divisions balanced.

 

[Cal 14]

North is favored in 12 of the games according to Calpreps.Only MD,Lincoln and Frontier are favored from the south

Yes, from D-4A down, the NorCal teams were moved down one half-step, while the SoCal teams were moved up one half-step... this with an already existing advantage to the north.

Some games look really competitive:

D-1AA - Pittsburg vs. Lincoln
D-1A - Central vs. Edison
D-2AA - Grant vs. Pacifica

There will be a number of games that won't be close.

D-4A - Sonora >> St. Pius X-St. Matthias
D-5AA - Carmel > El Capitan

Still haven't reviewed all of the regional games, but these stand out right now.

I did see the SPXSM game with St. Anthony wondering whether it was just a matter of tough schedules vs poor quality. No, these just weren't very good teams, especially St. Anthony. SPXSM probably couldn't beat Carmel in 5AA, much less Sonora in 4A. They have some athletes, but they neither of those teams executed very consistently.

 

[Cal 14]

Central Catholic, for example, has climbed from Division 4 to Division 1 because they kept winning championships in the lower divisions. This shows the SJS aims to keep competitions fair by moving successful teams up. Although Central Catholic hasn’t won a Division 1 championship yet, their move to a higher division was based on past successes.

How many championships did Central Catholic win in D2?

Who won D2 last year? Where did they play this year?

Who won D2 two years ago? Where did they play this and last year?


You do understand that when I ask questions like these, I already know the answers. People just prefer to make excuses instead of addressing real issues.

 

[BigMann08]

How many championships did Central Catholic win in D2?

Who won D2 last year? Where did they play this year?

Who won D2 two years ago? Where did they play this and last year?


You do understand that when I ask questions like these, I already know the answers. People just prefer to make excuses instead of addressing real issues.

Excuses? Do share....

 

[aztecpadre]

Yes, from D-4A down, the NorCal teams were moved down one half-step, while the SoCal teams were moved up one half-step... this with an already existing advantage to the north.

Some games look really competitive:

D-1AA - Pittsburg vs. Lincoln
D-1A - Central vs. Edison
D-2AA - Grant vs. Pacifica

There will be a number of games that won't be close.

D-4A - Sonora >> St. Pius X-St. Matthias
D-5AA - Carmel > El Capitan

Still haven't reviewed all of the regional games, but these stand out right now.

I did see the SPXSM game with St. Anthony wondering whether it was just a matter of tough schedules vs poor quality. No, these just weren't very good teams, especially St. Anthony. SPXSM probably couldn't beat Carmel in 5AA, much less Sonora in 4A. They have some athletes, but they neither of those teams executed very consistently.

You making an appearance at the Padre game?

 

[Cal 14]

Excuses? Do share....

"We can't have Rocklin in D1, they don't have the enrollment!"

Central Catholic being a very small school plays in D1.

"Oh, it's because they had success! They won in D2, so they were moved up to D1."

Rocklin wins D2, but stays in D2. Manteca wins D2, stays in D2.

Face it, SJS hides their teams away from Folsom instead of dealing with the flack that could come from utilizing a NCS/CCS style open division.