Placer vs capital christain

[Sacchiefs]

Haven't seen a lot of chatter about this game on here or did I miss it in another thread? Some of us got our wish with this match up so curious what posters think. I personally fell in love with placers effort in the bowl game last year and was rooting for them this year. Confused a lil on who to pick because Placer has shown the pacer community love in our time of need and there is a mutual respect. Capital christain is really good and well coached with a ton of talent. I have a few coaching buddies on the cc staff with a few buddies with kids playing so I'm leaning towards them but that wing t placer runs ain't no joke. 39-38 cc if I had to pick

 

[John Mellencamp]

I picked CC in the pick'em before the playoffs started, but I really have no idea. CC from what I can tell hasn't played a Wing T team in the last few years which could make it very difficult to stop for them. Placer is so good at it. While CC relies a lot on Ross on offense they can throw the ball too, which Lincoln showed can be done against the Placer defense.

I'm thinking that this game will be a shoot out similar to Placer's state bowl game last year and who ever ends up with the ball last will probably win.

PAT's could ultimately be the difference in this game.

Im going to stick with my original pick CC 47 Placer 45.

 

[Sacchiefs]

Good point and agree esp on whoever has the ball last. With the placer offense being so good at the wing t, cc will have to have good discipline which some have questioned this year.

 

[ThunderRam]

CC from what I can tell hasn't played a Wing T team in the last few years which could make it very difficult to stop for them.

Casey Taylor has a couple decades of experience preparing for the wing-t. In the last 15 games Del Oro faced Placer, NU, Oakdale, and Inderkum (among the best programs running the offense) under his leadership, they were 15-0. Only 4 of those games were decided by less than 10 points.

Considering that, I don't think it's a concern that Capital hasn't faced a highly effective wing-t based offense the past 2 seasons. Their staff knows what to do and how to defend it. IMO, if Placer wins, it'll be because they are the better team, not because the offense will catch Capital off-guard.

 

[BigMann08]

I've seen Capital play a few times this season. They have a ton of talent. My only concern with them is their O line. It's noticeably smaller than it was at the beginning of the season. This is surprising, given the size that they have on the sideline. I'm not sure what brought on the change of personnel but it doesn't make them as powerful as they were earlier in the season. If Ross was running behind the big boys, like he did in the first few games, I think that Capital would run away with this one.

With that being said, I'm excited to finally see Placer play. Look forward to seeing their big boys play.

 

[Oldguy2017]

Even though I have not seen Ross play this year, I believe he is a very talented RB and is going to have a big game.
Placer D has seen Scattebo from Rio Linda and Dixon from Bishop Minogue(sp?). 2 of the best around.
Placer contained RL and outscored Bishop.
That Placer wing-T can be awesome and it will need to be. I too have visions of the state game last year against Crenshaw in LA.
BTW. Bishop Minogue is in the Nevada state championshipship against Bishop Gorman. Talk about David and Goliath..

 

[farmair3]

Casey Taylor has a couple decades of experience preparing for the wing-t. In the last 15 games Del Oro faced Placer, NU, Oakdale, and Inderkum (among the best programs running the offense) under his leadership, they were 15-0. Only 4 of those games were decided by less than 10 points.

Considering that, I don't think it's a concern that Capital hasn't faced a highly effective wing-t based offense the past 2 seasons. Their staff knows what to do and how to defend it. IMO, if Placer wins, it'll be because they are the better team, not because the offense will catch Capital off-guard.

Sorry Thunder!! Casey Taylor lost to Sutters JV team last season at home. Final was 21-7. He was at the helm in that game. Make it 15-1 LOL

 

[ThunderRam]

Sorry Thunder!! Casey Taylor lost to Sutters JV team last season at home. Final was 21-7. He was at the helm in that game. Make it 15-1 LOL

Serious question, why is CT coaching the JV games too? I wasn't aware of it.

 

[farmair3]

Serious question, why is CT coaching the JV games too? I wasn't aware of it.

I was surprised as well. My guess was that it was his first year and was probably implementing his offense at the lower levels. I have no idea whether or not he coached their JVs after that game last year or continued into this year. Sutter JV team travelled to CC because of Sutters varsity trip to Idaho and CC varsity hosted a team from Alaska. It worked out well for the 2 JV teams as they got to play an inter Section game.

 

[ESPN Ken]

CT also coached the JV his last couple of years at Del Oro. Jeff Walters called the offense for DO JV this year as well. My guess is they want to make sure the JV are learning and running the same thing as the varsity so they don’t have to re-train them next year. How many places does the JV put his own twist on a system, or run something altogether different? One one the reasons Folsom is so successful is they are teaching the exact same thing from Mighty Mites to Varsity.

 

[WWHS44]

CT had coached the Frosh/JV/Varsity at DO his last two years there. I believe it had to do with a staff break up at the lower levels and he wasn't comfortable with just turning the team over to someone new.....He has a system and is comfortable with it and has taken it to CC. It is my understanding he is more interested in them learning to play hard every down and for four quarters then selling out to win games at the lower levels...Seems to be working for him??

 

[smashmouthrick]

Placer for all intents & purposes shut down Rio Linda's run game. RL averages ~400yards/game rushing with Skattebo as lead RB but Placer limited RL to 181yards rushing and was the key to the Hillman's win. RL has a very good OL with a very good RB in Skattebo so limiting RL to 181yards is not easy to do. For pete's sake Skattebo has 2600yards so far so this game alone, IMO, shows the Hillman's run stop mettle. TR's CR team is going to have their hands full Saturday afternoon. I think however Ross is the more talented RB and will stress Placer's ability to contain his runs out side of tackles with his moves and speed.

@BigMann08 states that CC's line appears not overly big. I know enough about CT's coaching that he can definitely coach up an OL to improve skills/technique to overcome lack of size. Did it successfully for years @DO. Placer's DL is physical and plays hard for 4quarters from what I've seen. I think this is one of those games that comes down to who wins in the pitts wins this game and Placer has the meat and potatos in the pits.

If this does become a shoot out I think advantage CC because CC is the more balanced team.

Really miss the days DO played Placer. Some great games/rivalry between the two and have always liked how Placer rolls with their run game. Looking forward to this one!

Go Hillman!!

 

[John Mellencamp]

Placer for all intents & purposes shut down Rio Linda's run game. RL averages ~400yards/game rushing with Skattebo as lead RB but Placer limited RL to 181yards rushing and was the key to the Hillman's win. RL has a very good OL with a very good RB in Skattebo so limiting RL to 181yards is not easy to do. For pete's sake Skattebo has 2600yards so far so this game alone, IMO, shows the Hillman's run stop mettle. TR's CR team is going to have their hands full Saturday afternoon. I think however Ross is the more talented RB and will stress Placer's ability to contain his runs out side of tackles with his moves and speed.

@BigMann08 states that CC's line appears not overly big. I know enough about CT's coaching that he can definitely coach up an OL to improve skills/technique to overcome lack of size. Did it successfully for years @DO. Placer's DL is physical and plays hard for 4quarters from what I've seen. I think this is one of those games that comes down to who wins in the pitts wins this game and Placer has the meat and potatos in the pits.

If this does become a shoot out I think advantage CC because CC is the more balanced team.

Really miss the days DO played Placer. Some great games/rivalry between the two and have always liked how Placer rolls with their run game. Looking forward to this one!

Go Hillman!!

While I agree Skattebo is a monster, Rio Linda doesn't have the passing game that CC has to balance the offense. Placer was able to key in on Skattebo and stop him, which to their credit no one else was really able to do this year.

Rodarte for CC has really come on late as their go to receiver and seems to catch everything thrown his way. Passing game will be key for CC and I'm not sure Placer has seen a team with the overall team speed that CC has.

Saw some film of Placer this week and the speed and precision that they run their offense with is so impressive.

Cant wait for tomorrow night!

 

[smashmouthrick]

Fun read on Placer game but also for other championship games:
http://www.auburnjournal.com/article/11/30/18/all-marbles

 

[BigMann08]

@smashmouthrick

No doubt CT can definitely coach kids up but CC has some big guys that can really move. You can't teach size, but you can certainly coach it!!! And CC probably has some of the biggest lineman in NorCal..I think the move may have been made so that the QB could see over the O-Line.

 

[ThunderRam]

I was surprised as well. My guess was that it was his first year and was probably implementing his offense at the lower levels. I have no idea whether or not he coached their JVs after that game last year or continued into this year.

After your comment, I performed some online research. Maxpreps (which I don't trust) has CT listed under both Varsity and JV while Capital's official site has him listed as HC but no further designation (and no other coaches listed).

It very well may be that he is coaching both full time. That just seems to me to be spreading himself quite thin. But if it's working, it's working. Makes me respect the man even more. That's a lot of time, work and commitment, for sure.

How many places does the JV put his own twist on a system, or run something altogether different? One one the reasons Folsom is so successful is they are teaching the exact same thing from Mighty Mites to Varsity.

I can't speak for programs I've not been apart of, but each one I've seen for the past 20 years models the Varsity program throughout each level. Folsom is far from the only one that does it and certainly wasn't the first. Nevada Union had the model in place back in the 80's (and probably even sooner). Sometimes the lower levels simplify things down to the ability of the kids they are working with, but the general framework should still be in place.

IMO, if the youth program up to the Frosh/JV aren't modeling the Varsity system, they're missing the point.

 

[smashmouthrick]

It very well may be that he is coaching both full time. That just seems to me to be spreading himself quite thin. But if it's working, it's working. Makes me respect the man even more. That's a lot of time, work and commitment, for sure...

TR, didn’t CT get a coaching only gig I.e. no classroom responsibility? If so it’s still a load to coach all levels...

 

[John Mellencamp]

14-13 Capital at half

 

[RidgeRider]

All that size on the line for CC not making that much difference

 

[BigMann08]

Wow congrats CC but questionable 4th quarter play calling on both sides....

 

[RidgeRider]

CC players still not classy. Another player ejected. Terrible 4th quarter decision making.

 

[Streak One]

Placer up 22-14 with the ball midway through Q4. Tough way to go out, but this win by Capital is similar to the Del Oro model Casey Taylor had. Battle, withstand tough stretches and make plays late to win.

 

[John Mellencamp]

CC players still not classy. Another player ejected. Terrible 4th quarter decision making.

Nobody got ejected

 

[ThunderRam]

this win by Capital is similar to the Del Oro model Casey Taylor had. Battle, withstand tough stretches and make plays late to win.

Perhaps not so oddly, the Del Oro and Capital games were eerily similar. Both teams played from behind most the game while their opponent dictated play. But both also made game changing plays to flip the script.

 

[BigMann08]

I didnt understand Placer's methodology at the end of the game. Why not run the clock out by running the ball and force an overtime situation with a short field? They placed too much pressure on their qb to make plays in the air.

 

[RidgeRider]

Im going to stick with my original pick CC 47 Placer 45.

Little less scoring but well done!

 

[smashmouthrick]

Placer will be back. Some good fundamental football there.

 

[RidgeRider]

Nobody got ejected

You sure? I wasn't there but heard one kid did. Not sure if it was the kid who was taunting the Placer coaches near the end of the game but I heard a kid was ejected.

Could be wrong.

 

[RidgeRider]

I didnt understand Placer's methodology at the end of the game. Why not run the clock out by running the ball and force an overtime situation with a short field? They placed too much pressure on their qb to make plays in the air.

Completely agree. I thought the QB also made a mistake on that last pic, he had clear running lanes up the middle and he was at near full speed when he let it go, it was a 20+ yard pickup that they could have setup and killed the ball with a shorter field and a 2nd down. Anyway, that's high school football!

 

[RidgeRider]

Perhaps not so oddly, the Del Oro and Capital games were eerily similar. Both teams played from behind most the game while their opponent dictated play. But both also made game changing plays to flip the script.

Casey Taylor is a great coach. With his ambition and the talent he has, he will build a juggernaut if the CC admin leaves him alone. He had more talent on the field last night than he ever did at DO. Well done by CT.

 

[Streak One]

I’d disagree on talent level. Yes, CC has talent and should continue to become more talented in the coming years, but I think Casey had more talented teams at Del Oro.

Those DO teams were competing and winning at high levels

 

[RidgeRider]

I’d disagree on talent level. Yes, CC has talent and should continue to become more talented in the coming years, but I think Casey had more talented teams at Del Oro.

Those DO teams were competing and winning at high levels

I would agree he has had better teams at DO, I don't believe he's had better talent (although this years DO team is the most talented I've ever seen here, but maybe not the best team).

 

[smashmouthrick]

I would agree he has had better teams at DO, I don't believe he's had better talent (although this years DO team is the most talented I've ever seen here, but maybe not the best team).

Agree. I would say that this year’s team is one of the most talented I’ve seen but I think the 2009 team was one of if not the best team I’ve seen at DO

 

[John Mellencamp]

You sure? I wasn't there but heard one kid did. Not sure if it was the kid who was taunting the Placer coaches near the end of the game but I heard a kid was ejected.

Could be wrong.

My mistake I guess I missed this last night at the game. Never saw anyone leave the field. Never heard of anyone getting ejected for showboating...Cost CC a home game.

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/high-school/joe-davidson/article222523925.html

 

[RidgeRider]

My mistake I guess I missed this last night at the game. Never saw anyone leave the field. Never heard of anyone getting ejected for showboating...Cost CC a home game.

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/high-school/joe-davidson/article222523925.html

Yea, too bad for them. One stupid act and you get a long bus ride.

 

[BigMann08]

This isn't a fair punishment. Waaaay over the top! The kid shouldnt have been ejected for intercepting the ball and dropping the ball on the sideline... No words were even said...From what I'm being told, this is all that happened...

The section commissioner should be ashamed of himself. The kid didnt deserve an ejection and Capital should be playing at home this Saturday

 

[John Mellencamp]

Saw the video. Dropped the ball at the Placer coaches feet and turned and ran off. Can’t tell if he said anything. Unsportsmanlike conduct penalty yes, ejection very questionable.

Only thing I can think of is it may have been his second of the game, as I believe there were two called in the game, which would result in automatic ejection. Not certain they were both on him though.

 

[ThunderRam]

Saw the video. Dropped the ball at the Placer coaches feet and turned and ran off. Can’t tell if he said anything. Unsportsmanlike conduct penalty yes, ejection very questionable.

I've seen a lot of taunting going on in these playoff games. Not towards coaches, but toward players of the opposing team. If Garrison is going to subjectively penalize Capital for this, then he needs to be fair and come down on all these players for their unsportsmanlike conduct.

All of these games are on video and it's not difficult to review. Seem a bit like selective prosecution to me. I wonder if Garrison has some beef with Casey Taylor from the past....

 

[John Mellencamp]

Here’s the play...

 

[bella123]

Hell unless he said something, that’s not even a penalty.