Call me crazy (and many do), but the prospects for a crepe-covered memorial service for the DLS program seem much overblown today. It's entirely possible that St. Francis is really that good. Which says something about the WCAL in 2021. Beyond that, it would not be a shock if DLS recovers, rebounds and refreshes enough to rampage across the NorCal landscape once again.
Potentials for Nor Cal Open State Game Rep
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St. Francis has to play more than Serra. Bellarmine and Valley Christian also lurk on the Lancers'' WCAL agenda. Neither is chopped liver.
Not really. DLS has been in a class by itself for 30 years, unbeatable in NorCal throughout that period. St. Francis and Bellarmine shared WCAL domination for a roughly similar three-decade period of excellence. But neither had anything approaching the DLS record.
Most CCS Section titles, no?
Off the top of my head I had thought SF was the last non-Central Section NorCal team to beat the Spartans during the regular season. It slipped my mind that El Cerrito also beat DLS in 1989. That previously was their last regular season loss to a NorCal team.
FWIW, Saint Francis became only the 2nd NorCal program (again, excluding the Central Section) that has more than one win against DLS during the Ladouceur/Alumbaugh eras.
The name of the other program will likely be a huge surprise to those that weren't old enough to follow HS ball back in the day. They beat the Spartans 3 times with Coach Lad at the helm.
Salesian of Richmond.
And trying to see how good teams are this year in VOL. It's always the big 3. But this year Kimbal has athletes. So they should be good. And this year there is another Weaver at East Union. I think he is the third. They are all very athletic. And have that gun slinging QB attitude. Fun to watch. Big 3 comes down to match ups. From past games see Manteca more tough for Oakdale this year. Very quick backs. Central is Central and since joining VOL Oakdale leads 4-3 but beat them in play offs. So 4-4. Manteca v Oakdale 9-9 for last few seasons. Needless to say VOL will be a mest grinder!
Don’t count out Fresno-Central for the Open. If there is not an undefeated NCS, SJS or CCS school, they could slip in.
Fantasy Land. The last time we heard about Central, they were going to beat Folsom. They proceeded to give up 80 friggin points in the NorCal title game.
Now maybe they get to that game again against a team like St. Francis or Rocklin. But they aren't going to the open.
The last Time We Saw Central They Beat The SJS Champ Oak Ridge in The Regional Final and won the D1 SBG Game Over Sierra Canyon….
You Remember, Folsom “The Most Talented Team In Nor Cal” couldn’t even make it to the Section Finals That year…. 🤣🤣
While I do think that the Central Section leaders should be watching out for the DLS-Folsom score with interest, I don't think it can be ignored that Central just barely got by Stockton Edison 17-10.
In reference to a lot in this thread:
1. St. Francis is the only team that, according to the bowl rules, should be listed #1 for the bowl games (as I've stated elsewhere, the normal rankings shouldn't have to follow bowl rankings).
2. DLS's loss does not extrapolate to anyone else. Whether a 1-loss DLS leapfrogs the Lancers should they fail to win out depends on to whom they fail and whether that team has any additional losses. DLS is still very much in the running for the Open Division.
3. If Folsom were to beat DLS, their overall season will be compared to St. Francis, should the Lancers go unbeaten the rest of the way. Recent history, however, has shown a preference for SJS teams over those from the CCS by the CIF.
4. No, it would not be the worst thing for NorCal if the Bulldogs are selected for the Open opposite Mater Dei. While I don't see them beating the Monarchs, I also don't see them losing by 60... sorry, but that's just really ill-informed and fueled by nothing but emotion and animus. In reality, this would be one of the most anticipated games in recent memory.
5. Both DLS and Folsom are in tough positions at this point. If SF wins out, the loser of this game may fall all the way to D-IA, potentially moving the CS D-I winner into the D-IAA game against either a Folsom or SF. I say this because I don't think the CIF will want to set up any rematches.
6. A lot of crazy things can happen just within the WCAL, but it does appear that Folsom may only get one real challenge in Rocklin. Granite Bay and Del Oro seem be to be good teams, but their results so far do not indicate they are real threats to the Bulldogs in any way.
My very early scenarios:
A. DLS beats Folsom, SF wins out (or takes only 1 loss) - SF (Open), DLS vs CS D-I (D-IAA), Folsom vs ??? (D-IA)
B. Folsom beats DLS and wins out, SF wins out - Folsom (Open), SF vs CS D-I (D-IAA), DLS vs. ??? (D-IA)
C. DLS beats Folsom, Serra/Bellarmine wins out - Serra/Bellarmine (Open), DLS vs CS D-I (D-IAA), Folsom vs ??? (D-IA)
D. Folsom beats DLS and wins out, Serra/Bellarmine wins out - Folsom (Open), Serra/Bellarmine vs CS D-I (D-IAA), DLS vs ??? (D-IA)
E. DLS beats Folsom, Serra/Bellarmine win CCS, but with 1 loss - DLS (Open), Serra/Bellarmine vs Folsom (D-IAA), CS D-I vs ??? (D-IA)
F. Folsom beats DLS and takes 1 loss, SF/Serra/Bellarmine win CCS with no more than 1 loss - Folsom (Open), CCS winner vs CS D-I (D-IAA), DLS vs ??? (D-IA)
G. DLS beats Folsom, CCS winner has two losses - DLS (Open), Folsom vs CS D-I (D-IAA), CCS winner vs ??? (D-IA)
H. Folsom beats DLS and has no more than 1 loss, CCS winner has two losses - Folsom (Open), DLS vs CS D-I (D-IAA), CCS winner vs ??? (D-IA)
Pittsburg is a strong favorite to win NCS D-I (with DLS winning DLS D-Open) and could potentially fill in some of the ??? positions, provided it's not against Folsom or DLS.
McClymonds is also waiting in the wings if they are able to beat Pittsburg on 10/1. They could also be the ??? team.
Winner of SJS D-II could also be a factor for the ??? position. Central Catholic has huge game against Bellarmine this week, Rocklin's or Jesuit's only loss could be against Folsom.
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Same team that gave up 80 to Folsom and beat Edison by 7?
Suicide watch hasn't been good to your mental health. Hopefully they keep you away from the 📺 during the Folsom win over DLS. We may have to send @SpartanzRule to check on you from Alabama!
I’m sure it’s the same Edison the mighty Folsom Bulldogs squeaked a win out by only 3 points before being double digited by MT in the last real playoffs.
Because of either curiosity or a desire to see Folsom clobbered.
At this point, Mater Dei against just about anyone else in CA, regardless of region is a mismatch.
Right now, I would say Folsom in Open. DLS play WCAL winner for D1. Will either be SF or Serra.
Maybe curiosity but only the people on a couple message board want to see Folsom clobbered because of one poster lol.
I agree about MD.You can count on one hand schools that could play with them in the entire country
At this point MD could play and beat DLS. Then take a 15 minute break have some orange slices go out and play Folsom and hang 70 on them. And frankly that could be said for a few teams down south.
I agree how dominant MD is. You get that way with unlimited recruiting and players coming from anywhere from 5 miles to 80 miles from Mater Dei's location in Santa Ana. Hard to compete against that. I agree that the NorCal rep. will be in tough against MD. I would think 60 point loss is appropriate.
How far is Reno to Folsom? I get tired of the crying about recruiting that goes on up here in Norcal. The reality is they have more people. More people equals more talent. More talent attracts better coaches. Better coaches equal better teams and programs.
This is an outstanding Analysis!!!!….
I like what you say about PITT as well…. I know I have been just assuming DLS will beat them but what if they win the section and DLS Beats Folsom and you have a 1 loss Serra Serra team as CCS Champ…. Could PITT possibly Find themselves in the Open?…. Would that COVID issue for Serra cost them the open?…
As Far as MD not Blowing out Folsom….. why is that not the case?…. MD Beat Duncanville-44-3 so why wouldn’t they do the same to Folsom?…. That MD Defense is Incredible…. Folsom would be absolutely overwhelmed by their speed and physical play….
That’s not Being a Hater, that’s just Keeping it Real…. I am not sure any team Playing in The Open Could score 14 points on MD this year…
You Should Probably take a Step Back with the Suicide Watch Nonsense…. There may actually be people reading this board that have been affected by this…..
I am all for the Banter but you need to Grow up…. When all you can come up with is making fun of Suicide and “Short Bus” making fun of people with disabilities it is just sad…. Have a little class….
I am sure @Streak One would appreciate it on his message board….
.......and the half time show would be a scrimmage match between the MD Pee Wee 12U Monarchettes and the Bishop Sycamore "running clock" traveling squad.
It is a bit rich with a poster like yourself telling others to grow up and have class. Just scroll through your posting history. 90 percent of your posts are Folsom troll posts. If you can't take getting hit back, get out of the kitchen.
This is one of the most disingenuous posts on here and this is why fake news gets out on here.
People like you cry when a family conducts a full family bona-fide move, and proved that to the CIF, while 3 of their kids attended the school within a 5 mile boundary.
What you conveniently leave out on purpose is there is NO boundary for MD or a Bosco. To transfer all you have to prove is A MOVE. There is no requirement to live anywhere close to the school. Those schools literally have kids that attend for football season and go "home." Sometimes 50 plus miles away. Can you imagine the moaning and groaning if ANY kid did this up north!? 🤡 show material.
The point is this- the rules are different. While Folsom kids all live within a school boundary set out by the district, maybe 5 of out 70 kids at MD or Bosco would meet that same requirement.
To reference one family that moved to Folsom from Reno for all 3 kids to attend school and play sports there, in comparison to what MD and Bosco are doing, is disingenuous and low.....even for a poster like you looking to stir up a fake narrative like this.
Another thing you fail to mention in order to support your superiority agenda is insinuating there is more people and that equals more talent in the South. Apparently no one ever taught you how to research or explain context. Before the transfer extravaganza was started, NorCal teams were beating teams from the South regularly. DLS owned those teams down there. If MD and Bosco didn't didn't access to those athletes on a separate set of rules, they would simply be another good program regularly competing for a state crown. They would get beat regularly by teams like Folsom and DLS.
At least understand the rules before you post next time. I'm tired of having to educate you.
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Care to post a link to the different set of rules CIF has for the north and south? I’m not aware of two sets but I would be interested to read them.
I didn't include a scenario in which Pitt beats DLS. The NCS brackets will have an Open and D-I. The loser of the Open plays in the D-I finals. The NCS is not especially deep this year, so Pitt has an excellent chance at winning D-I. Chance at beating DLS? Probably not so much.
As for Folsom-MD, I didn't say it wouldn't likely be an easy win for the Monarchs. I said that I doubt they'd win by 60. You always harp on Folsom, but they are a very good team. If they were to beat DLS, then I don't really see them getting completely overwhelmed... at least not any more than Duncanville or Liberty. I see the Bulldogs as being at least 1 TD better than Liberty.
Really, you should slow down when you read. You seem to skim, then make wild assumptions about what you think you read. I tell this to my girlfriend all the time... "Don't try to interpret what I say. Listen to exactly what I say because I say exactly what I mean."
It's interesting that so many seem to be dismissing DLS from ending up in the open. Not saying it will happen, but they ain't going anywhere. If they beat Folsom and run the table the rest of the way, why can't they?? They've got far too much playoff experience to write them off.
DLS can very well make it to the Open. Two of my scenarios above have them there. The problem is that they are no longer in control of their own destiny. The CIF selection rules include head-to-head and common opponent. The CCS teams currently (or potentially) own those. If they beat Folsom and the CCS teams take each other out, then I think it's going to be DLS. It's not uncommon for the WCAL winner to lose a league game.
What I don't agree with is using reputation as a criteria. If their results on the field this year do not demonstrate they are the best NorCal team, then their history is not relevant to me. At this point, what we know is that they lost to St. Francis.
DLS needs to hope they're still healthy when they play Folsom. These next three games are going to be extremely tough.
Agree, I anticipate them losing to SF MD. They play Folsom the following week I think. They could be beaten up a bit by then
Thanks for the clarification regarding NCS D-1, I forgot that there was that extra game for the runner up….
And I just want to Clarify that You are saying that a team Losing a game 45-3 or 49-7 is not being completely overwhelmed and Blown out?….
I tried to read it as slow as I could and not make any interpretations…. I guess I figured losing a Football game by 40+ points meant the team got Blown out and Completely Overwhelmed…..
I would consider DV and Liberty to Both have been Completely Overwhelmed and Blown out By MD…. Is that not a fair assessment?……
I think Folsom could arguably be better than those two teams. I'm thinking that if they were to play MD, it would be something along the lines of 45-17. I think they'd have their moments, but MD would pull away for a relatively easy win. Late scores could make it look worse than it was. I don't think it would be a complete massacre. Throwing numbers like 60 around is just hyperbole.
Remember that DLS looked like they were severe underdogs in the last two state games and they were relatively competitive. We'll have to see how the Bulldogs look against DLS in a few weeks. At this point, I don't know that we really know what to make of the wins over Jesuit or Pittsburg.
I just took a closer look at Duncanville and I don't think they are going to end up being ranked anywhere near the top in Texas. Aside from losing badly to Mater Dei, they have one victory, 42-27 over South Oak Cliff. SOC, in turn has a win over Spruce, who has a -23.9 rating on calpreps.com. That game was only 17-0. This would be like Jesuit only beating Sacramento Burbank by 17.
Watch these videos and tell me if you think you're watching the #1 team in Texas.
Duncanville vs South Oak Cliff
I'm starting to think that MD's two wins so far are a little inflated. I still think they are the favorites to win California, but I'm not entirely sure it's as much of a lock as most think.
You probably should have taken a closer look.Duncanville was up 30 points before calling off the dogs.You are right about MD not being a lock for the open title because there is SJB but other than that …..
After watching the videos I agree, not super impressed with DV…. They are Big but definitely not the speed I thought I would see from them….
They are a good team but I think all the top teams in Nor Cal could beat them…. DV vs Folsom, DLS, SF, Serra, PITT would all be a toss up in My Opinion…..
Show me a game where a Trinity League team got up by 30 on someone, but then allowed them to score 20 to make the score closer.
There are two videos, one featuring SOC and the other Duncanville. In the SOC vid, there was a bad snap that prompted D'ville to completely abandon their positions, leaving a WR wide open for a score. I've never seen a top CA team do that. SOC beat the equivalent of South Pasadena by 17. Are you kidding me?
I've seen SJB twice. Good team, but I don't even think they are a lock for #2 in the Trinity. Servite is definitely a threat.
Duncanville is athletic, that is for sure. But, so was East St. Louis.
You are right, they were up 31-0…. DV is a Huge Team, Again I am suprised by the lack of speed….
