Sacramento State hires David Patrick

[Streak One]

David Patrick is the new head coach at Sacramento State. He was the head coach at UC Riverside before assistant stops the past two years at Arkansas and Oklahoma. Looks like a really quality hire for the Hornets.

That said, this report paints the picture of a less than ideal transition from Brandon Laird - https://statehornet.com/2022/04/wha...r-mishandling-of-his-departure-as-head-coach/

 

[ankleassassin]

san diego got a new coach too. steve lavin

 

[leroyjenkins69]

The entire CSU system is a garbage embarrassment when it comes to sports. The entire system needs a complete overhaul, from the bottom on up.

 

[larry legend33]

David Patrick is the new head coach at Sacramento State. He was the head coach at UC Riverside before assistant stops the past two years at Arkansas and Oklahoma. Looks like a really quality hire for the Hornets.

That said, this report paints the picture of a less than ideal transition from Brandon Laird - https://statehornet.com/2022/04/wha...r-mishandling-of-his-departure-as-head-coach/

Pretty weak by sac state but I don’t expect anything less from this program. A better question is why the hell would a guy with Patrick’s resume want this job?

 

[LWinslow1973]

Great Hire by a bad program. Hopefully he can turn them around

 

[ankleassassin]

Pretty weak by sac state but I don’t expect anything less from this program. A better question is why the hell would a guy with Patrick’s resume want this job?

u gotta start somewhere

 

[Moses_Guthrie]

Was hoping Coach Laird (interim coach) got the job. Hopefully he gets picked up in another program soon.
Sac St needs a new facility, hopefully the new coach can make that happen.....

 

[vukovich]

Was hoping Coach Laird (interim coach) got the job. Hopefully he gets picked up in another program soon.
Sac St needs a new facility, hopefully the new coach can make that happen.....

The coach has zero to do with a facility. It’s not happening any time soon.

 

[larry legend33]

The coach has zero to do with a facility. It’s not happening any time soon.

Yup. Unless he’s a wealthy businessman with ties to capital markets (he’s not). I don’t get this hire at all. Wouldn’t the #2 at Arkansas be making more money than sac state has to offer? Plus a million more things that program and school have.

 

[CAPTAIN MORGAN]

Pretty weak by sac state but I don’t expect anything less from this program. A better question is why the hell would a guy with Patrick’s resume want this job?

Isn't the whole athletic department at UC Riverside almost on the chopping block? Maybe he felt he better take the opportunity while he can.

 

[ThunderRam]

Pretty weak by sac state but I don’t expect anything less from this program. A better question is why the hell would a guy with Patrick’s resume want this job?

Stop listening to just one side of the aisle. Katz and Laird aren’t necessarily victims.

The fact that Patrick accepted the job should hint to you that perhaps your assessment isn’t quite right.
FWIW, Patrick has already landed a pretty nice senior transfer from Hartford. A 6-9 shooter some thought might go to a mid-major.

Mark Orr has done a pretty good job turning around the football program with the Troy Taylor hire and Mark Campbell was super successful in year 1 for the women’s basketball team. Who is to say he hasn’t made the right choice here?

As for the accusations of professionalism and communication, who else have we heard complain about it aside from Katz and his longtime assistant? What makes Katz/Laird more credible than Orr? Sounds like a bunch of smoke-filled coffeehouse crap to me.

I don’t see any justification for believing Katz/Laird over Orr at this point in time.

 

[ThunderRam]

The coach has zero to do with a facility.

Sure he can. Building a winning foundation and tradition can lead to greater things.

How the hell do you think other programs that climbed the ladder did so?

Yes, they need financial help. They’ve had some from Ernest Tschannen, Alex Spanos and others in the past. And still have money from both for future endeavors.

But they also need to build up interest in the program. Nothing accomplishes that more than winning. Which helps bring more money into the program.

Gotta start somewhere.

 

[ankleassassin]

Yup. Unless he’s a wealthy businessman with ties to capital markets (he’s not). I don’t get this hire at all. Wouldn’t the #2 at Arkansas be making more money than sac state has to offer? Plus a million more things that program and school have.

it is the long play. you take your shot when it is given. an alpha male doesnt want to be second in charge 1 second longer than he has to be. scared money dont make money. so he bet on himself and the kids in the sacramento metro to get him a good 3 year run then move to a better job.

 

[larry legend33]

it is the long play. you take your shot when it is given. an alpha male doesnt want to be second in charge 1 second longer than he has to be. scared money dont make money. so he bet on himself and the kids in the sacramento metro to get him a good 3 year run then move to a better job.

That’s fair. Just seems really low pickings for a guy like him
Wish him well.

 

[ankleassassin]

That’s fair. Just seems really low pickings for a guy like him
Wish him well.

he heard bout them ponderosa and inderkum kids. had to sign up for the job

 

[Streak One]

A lot could go into it. Maybe wanted to get back to the state or like has been said he wanted to be a HC and didn't want to miss a moment. There are a lot of potential negatives with Sac State, but you can't deny that Troy Taylor got it going quickly in football, Mark is off to a start start in womens basketball and Reggie has built a consistent winner in baseball

 

[larry legend33]

A lot could go into it. Maybe wanted to get back to the state or like has been said he wanted to be a HC and didn't want to miss a moment. There are a lot of potential negatives with Sac State, but you can't deny that Troy Taylor got it going quickly in football, Mark is off to a start start in womens basketball and Reggie has built a consistent winner in baseball

Indeed. I will say this. Baseball and football facilities are pretty on par in terms of big sky comps. It’s not an X factor. Baseball and football are factories in Sacramento also so recruiting local is a better pool to draw. Hoops with that jr high school gym is not easy. Can he got .500 each year. You bet. Mix in an 18-12 season or so and he will be poached by mtn west/wac.

 

[leroyjenkins69]

Sure he can. Building a winning foundation and tradition can lead to greater things.

How the hell do you think other programs that climbed the ladder did so?

Yes, they need financial help. They’ve had some from Ernest Tschannen, Alex Spanos and others in the past. And still have money from both for future endeavors.

But they also need to build up interest in the program. Nothing accomplishes that more than winning. Which helps bring more money into the program.

Gotta start somewhere.

It’s called NIL. Just buy a couple kids from the McDonald’s game and they’re set.

 

[mrbig864]

Stop listening to just one side of the aisle. Katz and Laird aren’t necessarily victims.

What makes Katz/Laird more credible than Orr? Sounds like a bunch of smoke-filled coffeehouse crap to me.

Well we can’t really listen to the ‘other side’ of the aisle if they aren’t speaking, can we?

I suppose if what Laird says isn’t true, it would be pretty easy for Orr to simply clarify things by giving his side of the story, or just say anything all all. Laird’s comments seem pretty believeable (credible) in this case, and I say that as someone who likes what Orr has done. I’ve also heard that Laird is a quality guy, and what value would there be for him to lie In public about this?

As for Katz, I have enough historical evidence to not care what he has to say.

 

[mrbig864]

…recruiting local is a better pool to draw. Hoops with that jr high school gym is not easy.

Yup

I don’t care what sort of recruiter he is, that rinky dink gym is, and will ALWAYS be, a weight around the ankles of the Hornet Hoops program.

 

[leroyjenkins69]

Yup

I don’t care what sort of recruiter he is, that rinky dink gym is, and will ALWAYS be, a weight around the ankles of the Hornet Hoops program.

Not true whatsoever. Hasn't been an issue for Saint Mary's.

 

[En4cr]

IMO, Coach Laird was there by default. I believe Coach Katz knew he was going to retire, but accepted a new contract, then stayed in place until basketball season was underway. Steps down leaving AD on tough position to find someone outside of the program. I think AD got retribution in notification of Laird not getting the job.
Not saying it is how you should do business, but...

 

[larry legend33]

Not true whatsoever. Hasn't been an issue for Saint Mary's.

St marys atmosphere and the hornets nest are about as opposite as they get. Plus st Mary’s is putting big investments in their facility. That would not be a reason at Mary’s doesn’t get kids. Not a good comparison.

 

[ProspectorPete61]

St marys atmosphere and the hornets nest are about as opposite as they get. Plus st Mary’s is putting big investments in their facility. That would not be a reason at Mary’s doesn’t get kids. Not a good comparison.

And that atmosphere is partly enabled by the fact that the pavilion at St. Mary's has 3x the capacity as the nest.

 

[leroyjenkins69]

St marys atmosphere and the hornets nest are about as opposite as they get. Plus st Mary’s is putting big investments in their facility. That would not be a reason at Mary’s doesn’t get kids. Not a good comparison.

Campo and Acalanes have better gyms than St. Mary's

 

[mrbig864]

Not true whatsoever. Hasn't been an issue for Saint Mary's.

Laughable. As if St Mary’s facility is anywhere near as old and as small as Hornet Gym. try again

 

[HSWIZARD73]

Laughable. As if St Mary’s facility is anywhere near as old and as small as Hornet Gym. try again

Dude, I never seen or been to Hornet Gym, LMAO TIMES TEN. Just looked it up, it’s not even close to St Mary’s. No comparison at all. That was a good one from Leroy

 

[ankleassassin]

Campo and Acalanes have better gyms than St. Mary's

boy you wild

 

[larry legend33]

Dude, I never seen or been to Hornet Gym, LMAO TIMES TEN. Just looked it up, it’s not even close to St Mary’s. No comparison at all. That was a good one from Leroy

Hornets nest should be bulldozed! Feel bad for those kids. Better gyms on army bases.

 

[TC112]

Campo and Acalanes have better gyms than St. Mary's

C'mon, thats an Ayalar09 type statement right there

 

[HSWIZARD73]

C'mon, thats an Ayalar09 type statement right there

As much as I have battled it out with Ayalar, he knows for fact to never ever say such a thing. That would be like hey guys Stuart Hall’s gym is better than Kezar. Ayalar deserves some respect versus this Barnum and Bailey circus clown

 

[ankleassassin]

C'mon, thats an Ayalar09 type statement right there

DECEASED!!! LOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

 

[TurtleLoveCA]

Anyone that believes a small gym means you can't win at the college level is an idiot. Anyone believing that having a great facility means you will win is an idiot.

 

[ProspectorPete61]

Anyone that believes a small gym means you can't win at the college level is an idiot. Anyone believing that having a great facility means you will win is an idiot.

Relax guy, you're always up in arms about something. It plays a part in recruiting, and recruiting impacts winning. It's not the determining factor, but it plays its part.

 

[TurtleLoveCA]

I'm only up in arms with idiots

 

[ayalar09]

Stuart Hall actually won their 1st Norcal CIF title @ St Mary’s. They were down 18 at the half and rallied back to win the game in OT. I actually liked their gym, and when their team is good their home crowd can get really into it.

Have never been to a campo or acalanes game before, but here are some of the best gyms I’ve been to locally so far, in no particular order:

1) Mitty
2) SI
3) SH —-> Fantastic Gym, have no idea why they aren’t able to attract more talent just based on their gym alone.
4) Urban —> Brand New Gym, beautiful design

As for the Hall I love our little gym, but Kezar is friggin Kezar.

 

[leroyjenkins69]

Stuart Hall actually won their 1st Norcal CIF title @ St Mary’s. They were down 18 at the half and rallied back to win the game in OT. I actually liked their gym, and when their team is good their home crowd can get really into it.

Have never been to a campo or acalanes game before, but here are some of the best gyms I’ve been to locally so far, in no particular order:

1) Mitty
2) SI
3) SH —-> Fantastic Gym, have no idea why they aren’t able to attract more talent just based on their gym alone.
4) Urban —> Brand New Gym, beautiful design

As for the Hall I love our little gym, but Kezar is friggin Kezar.

Sacred Heart gets more talent than any school in the city. Coaching is their issue.

 

[mrbig864]

Anyone that believes a small gym means you can't win at the college level is an idiot. Anyone believing that having a great facility means you will win is an idiot.

I didn’t scroll through every comment here, but I didn’t see a single post stating Sac St “can’t win” because of their small gym. That said, anyone who doesn’t think it hinders their ability to be successful is ’an idiot’ IMHO. It’s not just small, it’s old, run down and has locker room facilities worse than most high schools in the region. I challenge anyone to identify a worse home facility in all of DI than Hornet Gym. It’s sad

 

[larry legend33]

Anyone that believes a small gym means you can't win at the college level is an idiot. Anyone believing that having a great facility means you will win is an idiot.

I don’t think that was the take away. It’s a process that starts with attracting talent. (Recruiting). It plays a huge part in that area and that is a major factor in winning. That was the topic at hand. Hornets nest is an embarrassment. Easily the worse facility in D1 and one of the worse in d2. William Jessup has a nicer gym up in rocklin at naia level. Much nicer.
The Gator swamp down at SF state might be a tad worse but that is d2. Otherwise you would really have to try to find a worse facility.

 

[leroyjenkins69]

I didn’t scroll through every comment here, but I didn’t see a single post stating Sac St “can’t win” because of their small gym. That said, anyone who doesn’t think it hinders their ability to be successful is ’an idiot’ IMHO. It’s not just small, it’s old, run down and has locker room facilities worse than most high schools in the region. I challenge anyone to identify a worse home facility in all of DI than Hornet Gym. It’s sad

I already did. St. Mary’s plays at an absolute dump and yet they find a way to be average most years.