SJS PLAYOFFS BY ENROLLMENT as of FEB 9

[H.E.A.T.]

D1 D2 D3
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1 Franklin EG Folsom Bethel
2 Pleasant Grove Tracy River VAlley
3 Enochs Cosumnes Oaks Burbank
4 Oak Ridge Bear Creek Vallejo
5 Sheldon Whitney #12 MAX Cordova
6 Chavez Beyer Central Valley
7 Edison Vacaville Patterson
8 Woodcreek Golden Valley Rio Linda
9 Turlock Rodriguez Vanden
10 River City Vintage Lincoln
11 Kennedy Del Campo #11 MAX Rio Americano
12 Granite BAy Antelope Ceres
13 Bella Vista McNAir Florin #6 MAX prep
14 Jesuit St Marys Manteca
15 Merced Sacramento Fairfield
16 Lodi Modesto Christian Christian Bros

D4 includes Weston Ranch,Vista Del Lago,Liberty Ranch, West Campus, Capital Christian, Foothill,Placer,Sierra, El Dorado

As you can see 3 teams Are ranked in top 12 currently not in top 3 in league.
In D2 st Marys Sac MC,and Mc nair have to be in D2 and Jesuit in D1.
In D3 Requires CBS and Fairfield.
There are a couple of 3rd place ties in the list above which could shift the pairings Example would be Bethel and Fairfield which could bring Vista Del Lago to D3 if 1 of those 2 drop out

 

[Cali Luv]

Nice update HEAT.

 

[Dgdollaz]

Originally posted by Cali Luv:
Nice update HEAT.

+1

 

[passfirst]

Thanks Heat much appreciated.

 

[RoundBaller81]

Thanks Heat, much appreciated. Can you please break down how you figured it out. Ive been racking my brain trying to. hahahaaaa thanks

 

[En4cr]

Looks like HEAT is the only person besides the Section who can figure this thing out. Great update HEAT, I am sure most Coaches also appreciate this list.

 

[jmiles415]

Thanks for all of this HEAT. The only problem you didn't factor in tie breakers. There's no reason 4 teams from the SJAA will be in the playoffs.

 

[H.E.A.T.]

I love when people on this board comment and don't read. If you go back and read I stated that there are some 3rd place ties that would change the seedings and I gave an example. I gave a quick glance and I'll tighten it up as it gets nearer. I wasn't gonna make what if lists. The dynamic at this point doesn't change much. Like in d3 Fairfield or bethel will be 3 dropping 1 and shifting Vista del logo to D3.

 

[JCCJ]

Thanks for knocking this out - hope you have a spreadsheet! Two observations that might be too early to comment on, but could Folsom move back to D-I and could Antelope be moved down to D-III? They are both on the "border".

 

[H.E.A.T.]

No spreadsheet here. Yes Folsom could move to D1 but there are very few possibilities for that to happen. But at 17 it only takes 1. However there are 6 4th place teams in D1 that could actually push them deeper in D2 which could push Antelope to D3.

 

[H.E.A.T.]

Tonight game to watch will be MCNAIR at Edison. Both are 4-4 in league and 6-17 overall. The winner takes over the 3rd place slot in the SJAA. However MCnair closes the season with 21-4 and first place Bear Creek while edison closes with last place and 3-19 Franklin of stockton. Edison won the last meeting at Mcnair 54-52. If Mcnair wins the 3rd place slot in SJAA Folsom would move to D1 for the playoffs barring no other movement

 

[G61]

Sheldon better pray that Folsom doesn't somehow get bumped to D1. I would love to host ole Sheldon in our gym up here! Bring in Elk Grove!

 

[H.E.A.T.]

Hey G 00. I Sure hope Folsom gets that D1 nod so Sheldon can slap them around like they did all summer. One things for certain however and that's you don't know much. Sheldon Would never play a playoff game this year in Folsom. They would both be top seeds and meet at the arena. Shows how much you really know

 

[Reg1014]

What about the at large bid. For instance Whitney ,Rocklin, Del Campo , and Dell Oro who all are in top 12 rankings as they stand now. I assume they will be put in after all the teams that won in their leagues go. Those at large game wil be played on the 20th

 

[H.E.A.T.]

Reg1014 what about them. I addressed the ones who were ranked if you look. At the time it was Whitney. Florin and Del campo. Max preps changes rankings twice per week. There are games almost everyday. I will update the list later in week but not on a nightly basis. There are no at large games. If you are ranked you get included in the 16 for each division

 

[kpcarter2000]

HEAT you are doing a great job posting the potential playoff divisions. When I looked at the potential teams making the playoffs for SJS Div. 1-4 as of the beginning of this week there were more then 64 teams that would qualify if you count top 3 (top 4 in DELTA and SFL) for each league and those in the top 12 in maxpreps ratings. For example in the SFL Folsom, Woodcreek, Oakridge, Granite Bay, Del Oro and Rocklin would all qualify and in the Delta Sheldon, Pleasant Grove, Franklin, Jesuit, Monterey Trail and Elk Grove would all qualify. Maybe some of the smaller schools listed in Div. 1-4 would get pushed down to Div 5 but I do not know if that is true or not.

 

[H.E.A.T.]

.KPCarter at the beginning of the week only Whitney #12 ,Florin #7 and Del campo #11 where eligible through Max prep top 12. The rankings have changed and do so twice per week. Cal prep Freeman /which is related to Max preps change Sunday and Thursday evening. NAtional usually updates first then it trickles down. Watch tonight you ill see part of the rankings change and by tomorrow they will all be in sync. Thats why im not going to spend time everyday trying to update that original list. It was just a rough idea as of Feb 9 to get a glimpse of possibiliy. . my mistake kp. Was on my phone and I was seeing the standings not rankings for D1 and D2

This post was edited on 2/12 11:33 AM by H.E.A.T.

 

[kpcarter2000]

When I go to max preps today it shows the following rankings for SJS

Div. 1
1. Folsom
2. Sheldon
3. Woodcreek
4. Pleasant Grove
5. Jesuit
6. Kennedy
7. Oakridge
8. Granite Bay
9. Franklin
10.Consumnes Oaks
11.Bella Vista
12. Monterey Trail

Div. 2
1. Sacramento
2. Modesto Christian
3. St. Mary's
4. Antelope
5. Cordova
6. Beyer
7. Whitney
8. Rocklin
9. Del Campo
10. Elk Grove
11. Bear Creek
12. Del Oro

I know that the schools are put into divisions based on school size but is there another maxpreps list that I am not seeing?

 

[H.E.A.T.]

Updates coming soon

This post was edited on 2/12 11:25 AM by H.E.A.T.

 

[kpcarter2000]

here is what I am looking at
www.maxpreps.com/rankings/basketball/1/section/ca/sac-joaquin+section.htm

Am I looking at the wrong thing? Are the maxprep rankings based upon the division rankings or the over-all ratings. We played at Rockling last night and they think they still have a shot at making the Div. 2 play-offs based upon the rankings. Are they wrong?
I do not know, am just asking cause you seem to know a lot about the playoff setup this year.

http://www.maxpreps

 

[Dgdollaz]

Originally posted by kpcarter2000:
here is what I am looking at
www.maxpreps.com/rankings/basketball/1/section/ca/sac-joaquin+section.htm

Am I looking at the wrong thing? Are the maxprep rankings based upon the division rankings or the over-all ratings. We played at Rockling last night and they think they still have a shot at making the Div. 2 play-offs based upon the rankings. Are they wrong?
I do not know, am just asking cause you seem to know a lot about the playoff setup this year.

Its the top 4 in the SFL that makes the playoffs. Rocklins last game will be this Friday, no playoff games for them.

 

[Coach FJ]

kpcarter 2000...

i'm not sure anyone knows for sure, i'm hearing from some coaches it's the divisional rankings; however all i see it show on the cifsjs.org site is based on Maxpreps rankings; so I was thinking it meant their top 25 rankings for the section, but again other coaches are telling me it's based on the divisional rankings; which don't make since to me since we don't know what division we are in yet.

Go figure

 

[G61]

Sheldon is not even remotely on the same level as Folsom. That goes for basketball and many other things

Elk Grove as a whole=extremely overrated

 

[Dgdollaz]

Originally posted by G61:
Sheldon is not even remotely on the same level as Folsom. That goes for basketball and many other things

Elk Grove as a whole=extremely overrated

I know both teams and man you dont know hoops at all man. Good luck with your credibility on this forum.

 

[kpcarter2000]

Yeah that was why I was confused as well. On the section site it says maxpreps but does not specify if it is overall top 12 or division top 12 in addition to the top 3 (or 4 for SFL and DELTA) places in league. If it is by top 12 in each division then more than 64 teams would qualify for div 1-4 per the rankings today. No big deal, was just curious. We will find out soon enough.

 

[G61]

First off, all I need to know is that Folsom is better than Sheldon. Period.

 

[Dgdollaz]

Originally posted by G61:

First off, all I need to know is that Folsom is better than Sheldon. Period.

I will say this. Sheldon is closer to being as good as they can be than Folsom. Folsom needs like 10 more games to get it right. Sheldons guards are its strength and Folsom's strengths are shutting down guards. I dont see Sheldon beating Folsom when it counts but saying Sheldon isnt remotely close to Folsoms level is just exaggeration.

 

[G61]

I am more aware of both teams than you think

I just know HEAT goes ballastic when you say ANYTHING remotely bad about Sheldon, so it givesme a little comedy during my day!

 

[JCCJ]

If reading the Section website correctly, it looks like to figure out the brackets you take every team that qualifies DI - IV and then divide that number by 4 to give you "four like-sized brackets" in their words. If that's correct, a 3rd place game at D-IV could alter the "border" D-I's and II's? Seems like this will come down to the games next week before anyone can figure out brackets. If I'm reading it wrong, would love to hear it ; )

 

[H.E.A.T.]

G 00 you only wish i go ballistic!! I dont care if you dont Know anything or talk Sheldon trash. I havent said one word bragging about this years Sheldon team. HAvent bad mouthed Folsom either.


Heres the irony though. How come if a thread was started like last night IE the FOLSOM GAME and Folsom Wins then 50 posts follow about how they are the next best thing in Basketball. They lose and GO BACK AND LOOK 2 THATS RIGHT 2 POSTS ABOUT THE GAME. EVERYONE CLAMS UP AND HIDES.

One thing is for sure , wasnt to long ago and everyone said the Sheldon program is dead and will be for along time. Well ill say i guess 11-1 in Delta and wins over teams like EL Cerrito is still grounds to call Sheldon dead

 

[passfirst]

i know this is not the post but i will say this, 2 teams i would not want to play right now is sheldon and cordova. Sheldon has be battle tested in tournaments and out of league games. They have proven themselves in and out of their league and have shown the area that they are a serious contender for the Section Title. They play a Modesto Christian team on Saturday that has a eligible transfer that has gave them a serious upgrade. Although their will be a serious size advantage by the crusaders with their guard play i would not be surprised if they won. Cordova is just on fire right now, and they have way more than Roberson. Playing well right now.

 

[bank_shot]

Originally posted by H.E.A.T.:
Tonight game to watch will be MCNAIR at Edison. Both are 4-4 in league and 6-17 overall. The winner takes over the 3rd place slot in the SJAA. However MCnair closes the season with 21-4 and first place Bear Creek while edison closes with last place and 3-19 Franklin of stockton. Edison won the last meeting at Mcnair 54-52. If Mcnair wins the 3rd place slot in SJAA Folsom would move to D1 for the playoffs barring no other movement

Yikes, a team 10+ games under .500 is going to make the playoffs? I preferred the old power rating system.

 

[G61]

HEAT,
You are the biggest DISCREET Folsom hater on the board. You just don't like Folsom for what it is. We are better than you. Straight up. Losing one league game AWAY, against one of the best teams in the area is nothing to hang your hate about. Up here, we aren't used to losing like you are. And we also are not used to having are PLAYERS AND COACHES suspended.

Can you say shady? HEAT you know what I am talking about. It's not taboo anymore playa!

 

[larry legend33]

The one thing I can't seem to put my finger on is why this year's Folsom team hasn't improved year over year like I would have expected. I was really impressed with how good Folsom came together last year and was absolutely dominant. They went on a tear and almost brought home state champ. The one area that I see a "GAP" in is post play. There big going to Portland started off slow with being out ill/sick and never has seemed to get it together. Again my opinion but those who watch the program closely would probably agree. I still think they are the team to beat in Norcal but on any given night they can get beat.

Thoughts?

 

[G61]

You are right. They have had a "funky" year much to HEAT's pleasure. They have all the talent in the world but seem like something is a little off some nights. The chemistry needs to be there, especially to make a run through a tough section like the SJS and eventually the NORCALS.

Personally, I think they will be fine. They have a great coach and players that know how to win. But, as we have seen, anything can happen on any given night. Our big going to Portland has been sick and has had some other minor problems. Let's hope he is ok come SJS time.

Until then, Go Bulldogs!

 

[von60118]

Who is use to losing? 4 x if championships in 5 years is not losing in any book. This is not football Little Larry. I hope that Folsom does d1 so it can be settled on the court.

 

[ballinplayin365]

I've seen folsom lose to Monte vista and woodcreek, and the theme in both of those losses is that the guards for the other teams overcame the pressure/ half court trap folsom brings. sheldon and folsom would be a great match up, but I'd be more curious to see them vs sac high in d2.

 

[H.E.A.T.]

Hey 2 in the same,,,,,,oh wait I mean Larry Legend,, no excuse me Double agent G61, I seemed to have struck a nerve. I didn't hate on Folsom , I just said you Folsom guys are quiet after a loss. Am I missing something. As of last check today there were exactly 2 posts about FOLSOM GAME. I don't hate Folsom in fact I enjoy good basketball at any level. Yes Folsom is good. Yes I like to watch them. So you all are mis construde with the hater thoughts. I actually think it's quite opposite. Now you want to try and compare cities.WTF. Sheldon is back so except it . As for not use to losing, you had first goodseason on awhile last year . Wasn't it 2 YEARS AGO WHEN A KID NAMED DAKARAI SCORED 39 points to Folsom whole team 38 in 3 quarters. You must have forgot that

 

[larry legend33]

D2 could be scary with Folsom, Sac High, & MC. I really like coach wall and what he approaches the game. Folsom is not going to be out coached around here that is for sure. There big has to contribute if Folsom is going to go deep. Hopefully he plays like he has shown in the past. Guard play and wing play is there. Not worried about that. Sometimes losing is a slap in the face and just what the doctor ordered. And lets not forget Woodcreek is an excellent team.

 

[Dgdollaz]

Now im confused, because I just read the CIF SJS rules about the maxpreps rankings and if Rocklin is in the top 12 in Maxpreps next week then they will play in those play-in games next Friday.
So that answers my question as well about the play-in games. Teams like these can also push the borderline teams like Folsom into the lower divisions which means Folsom is 99% going to be D2.