SJS PLAYOFFS BY ENROLLMENT as of FEB 9
- Thread starter H.E.A.T.
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My understanding is the top 3 teams from each league (4 from the SFL and Delta) automatically qualify for the playoffs. Once those teams have been idenitfied, the section will look at Maxpreps rankings by Division and if there are any teams rated in the top 12 in the maxprpes division that did not automatically qualify then they will be added to the field. All schools are being asked to post to maxpreps no later than tuesday night, if a school does not post they could be left out due to inaccurate and or incomplete information.
With apologies to D5 and 6 which could be slightly differnet, they will then take all of the teams that are in the field (divisions 1-4) and divide them equally in hopes of getting the same number of teams in each division. If there is an odd number of teams lets say 70, each division would get 17 teams (4 * 17= 68) and div 1 and 2 get the extra team so D 1 would be 18, D 2 would be 18 and D 3 and 4 would be 17 each. The paly in games would be on Friday Feb 20.
Now the section has mandated that certain schools may play no lower than D1, 2 etc. How that factors into the above paragraph is interesting and i dont know if anyone knows what happens there?
There is also no guarantee that the section will not move schools around the bracket to set up the most advantageous gate attraction while also trying to separate out league opponents until at least the semi's. Also just becasue a team gets in via max preps and not the top 3 or 4 slots dont assume they will be in the outbracket game.
One last thought, the ironic part is the majority of the teams in the top 12 in max preps reside in the northern part of the section. Basically the new format rewards teh southern part of the section who were not as well represented under the old power rating system and by adding max preps it rewards teams for a challenging non league schedule and playing in a stronger league.
This post was edited on 2/13 1:45 PM by earthquakes
With apologies to D5 and 6 which could be slightly differnet, they will then take all of the teams that are in the field (divisions 1-4) and divide them equally in hopes of getting the same number of teams in each division. If there is an odd number of teams lets say 70, each division would get 17 teams (4 * 17= 68) and div 1 and 2 get the extra team so D 1 would be 18, D 2 would be 18 and D 3 and 4 would be 17 each. The paly in games would be on Friday Feb 20.
Now the section has mandated that certain schools may play no lower than D1, 2 etc. How that factors into the above paragraph is interesting and i dont know if anyone knows what happens there?
There is also no guarantee that the section will not move schools around the bracket to set up the most advantageous gate attraction while also trying to separate out league opponents until at least the semi's. Also just becasue a team gets in via max preps and not the top 3 or 4 slots dont assume they will be in the outbracket game.
One last thought, the ironic part is the majority of the teams in the top 12 in max preps reside in the northern part of the section. Basically the new format rewards teh southern part of the section who were not as well represented under the old power rating system and by adding max preps it rewards teams for a challenging non league schedule and playing in a stronger league.
This post was edited on 2/13 1:45 PM by earthquakes
Ok fellas help me out, let me know if this looks accurate???? Looked and predicted who may lose or win on Tuesday to help determine, used prior showdowns to help predict. I even got Burbank and Del Campo dropping out??? This whole change of things is a mess UrgGGGhhhh!!!!!!
1-Folsom
16-Golden valley
8-Whitney
9-Bear Creek
5-Antelope
12-River valley
4-St.Marys
13-Tracy
3-Modesto Christian
14-Vacaville
6-Cosumnes Oaks
11-Rodriguez
7-Beyer
10-Bethel
2-Sac High
15-Vintage
I think it will get moved around like this. BC & Whitney swap spots Bear Creek go CO-Champs & Whitney either 3rd or 4th but rank high max preps. Bethel & Rodriguez swap spots Bethel finish 2nd Rod finish 1st. River Valley & Tracy swap cause Tracy cant play SM 1st round same league
Chime in with thoughts and own predictions
1-Folsom
16-Golden valley
8-Whitney
9-Bear Creek
5-Antelope
12-River valley
4-St.Marys
13-Tracy
3-Modesto Christian
14-Vacaville
6-Cosumnes Oaks
11-Rodriguez
7-Beyer
10-Bethel
2-Sac High
15-Vintage
I think it will get moved around like this. BC & Whitney swap spots Bear Creek go CO-Champs & Whitney either 3rd or 4th but rank high max preps. Bethel & Rodriguez swap spots Bethel finish 2nd Rod finish 1st. River Valley & Tracy swap cause Tracy cant play SM 1st round same league
Chime in with thoughts and own predictions
Well Roundballer that looks good however there is one catch.
Assuming they add At large teams from top 12 in each division vs top 12 overall then there are 61 qualifiers in D1-D4 and 12 teams ranked in Top 12 not in top 3 league.
This gives you 73 teams. According to the CIF website those teams would be broken to 4 equal brackets of 18 teams with the one extra being placed in D1.
So if it ended earlier today(Rankings are changed on Sunday) Folsom and Tracy which would be the 18 and 19 respectively would Be D1
Assuming they add At large teams from top 12 in each division vs top 12 overall then there are 61 qualifiers in D1-D4 and 12 teams ranked in Top 12 not in top 3 league.
This gives you 73 teams. According to the CIF website those teams would be broken to 4 equal brackets of 18 teams with the one extra being placed in D1.
So if it ended earlier today(Rankings are changed on Sunday) Folsom and Tracy which would be the 18 and 19 respectively would Be D1
As of Tonight Del ORO dropped out of the rankings pushing Tracy down to D2
Ranked teams not in top 3.........
D1 --- #11 Monterey Trail 16-10
D2---- #7 Rocklin 12-15
#9 Del Campo 16-10
#10 Elk Grove 12-14 and 3-10 league
D3 #4 Florin 18-8
#12 Fairfield 12-13
D4 #8 Natomas 10-11
#10 Mesa Verde 13-12
#11 Dixon 13-13
#12 Union Mine 13-13
Interesting that Elk Grove, who the CIF Event coordinator teaches at, former coach and last years outgoing EGUSD A.D. , can be ranked ahead of teams like 22-5 Bear Creek or 18-8 Rodriguez
Ranked teams not in top 3.........
D1 --- #11 Monterey Trail 16-10
D2---- #7 Rocklin 12-15
#9 Del Campo 16-10
#10 Elk Grove 12-14 and 3-10 league
D3 #4 Florin 18-8
#12 Fairfield 12-13
D4 #8 Natomas 10-11
#10 Mesa Verde 13-12
#11 Dixon 13-13
#12 Union Mine 13-13
Interesting that Elk Grove, who the CIF Event coordinator teaches at, former coach and last years outgoing EGUSD A.D. , can be ranked ahead of teams like 22-5 Bear Creek or 18-8 Rodriguez
Well Im just glad I was on the right track of seeding things, but now I have to adjust for at large bids. I almost had it down. and then I also noticed C.Oaks and Antelope switched rankings. I had antelope at 5 and c.o. 6, now they are swapped. ohh well...and I wonder if they reward a 4th place whitney with a home game over a 1st place co-champ Bear Creek. if folsom and tracy move to D1 who takes their spots???Rocklin, Del Campo, or Elk Grove???? man this is frustrating
Got it, Thanks for the help. Guess coaches will be out tuesday recording games all over probably 2-3 schools each...The phones gotta be ringing off the hook by now asking for help....
As of this morning the unknown variables are as follows
Does CIF take teams Ranked in top 12 of their Division or just Top 12 Over all
The following leagues have 3rd place ties
Metro... Burbank 8-6 and Florin 8-6 they split
Tri County... Rio Linda 6-6 and Indercum 6-6 they split
MLL..............Summersville 6-6 and Argonaut Split
CCC.............Merced 6-4 Pitman 6-4 Merced sweep
SCAC Bethel,Fairfield,Vallejo all 4-6. Vallejo swept Bethel who swept fairfield who split with vallejo
Rankings are not out yet finalized. The following is the order of teams locked. Teams to the outside are the unknown and BOLD were ranked as of tuesday and where they would shift list
1 Franklin 37 Manteca
2 Pleasant Grove 38 Vista Del LAgo FAIRFIELD
3 Enochs 39 Eldorado
4 Oak Ridge 40 sierra
5 Sheldon 41 Placer
6 Chavez 42 Weston Ranch
7 Edison 43 Christian BROS(D3)
8 Woodcreek 44 Liberty Ranch DIXON,UNION MINE
9 Turlock 45 Foothill
10 Tokay MONTEREY TRAIL 46 Calaveras NATOMAS
11 River City Pitman 47 Sonora MESA VERDE
12Kennedy 48 Marysville
13 Granite Bay 49 Highlands
14 Bella Vista Merced 50 West Campus
15 Jesuit 51 Ripon
16 Folsom 52 San Juan
17Tracy 53 Delhi
18 Cosumnes Oaks 54 Riverbank Summersville
19Bear Creek WHITNEY 55 Capital Christian
20 Beyer 56
21 Vacaville 57
22 Golden Valley 58
23 Rodriguez 59
24 Vintage EG,DC, ROCKLIN 60
25 Antelope Bethel 61 Argonaut D5
26 River Valley BURBANK 62
27Cordova Vallejo 63
28 St Marys (D2) 64
29 Sacramento(D2)
30 Modesto Christian (D2)
31 Central Valley
32 Patterson Rio Linda
33 Vanden
34Lincoln (L)
35 Rio Americano
36 Ceres Indercum , FLORIN
Take the total amount of Qualifiers and divide them into 4 equal brackets per CIF Website
This post was edited on 2/18 10:30 AM by H.E.A.T.
Does CIF take teams Ranked in top 12 of their Division or just Top 12 Over all
The following leagues have 3rd place ties
Metro... Burbank 8-6 and Florin 8-6 they split
Tri County... Rio Linda 6-6 and Indercum 6-6 they split
MLL..............Summersville 6-6 and Argonaut Split
CCC.............Merced 6-4 Pitman 6-4 Merced sweep
SCAC Bethel,Fairfield,Vallejo all 4-6. Vallejo swept Bethel who swept fairfield who split with vallejo
Rankings are not out yet finalized. The following is the order of teams locked. Teams to the outside are the unknown and BOLD were ranked as of tuesday and where they would shift list
1 Franklin 37 Manteca
2 Pleasant Grove 38 Vista Del LAgo FAIRFIELD
3 Enochs 39 Eldorado
4 Oak Ridge 40 sierra
5 Sheldon 41 Placer
6 Chavez 42 Weston Ranch
7 Edison 43 Christian BROS(D3)
8 Woodcreek 44 Liberty Ranch DIXON,UNION MINE
9 Turlock 45 Foothill
10 Tokay MONTEREY TRAIL 46 Calaveras NATOMAS
11 River City Pitman 47 Sonora MESA VERDE
12Kennedy 48 Marysville
13 Granite Bay 49 Highlands
14 Bella Vista Merced 50 West Campus
15 Jesuit 51 Ripon
16 Folsom 52 San Juan
17Tracy 53 Delhi
18 Cosumnes Oaks 54 Riverbank Summersville
19Bear Creek WHITNEY 55 Capital Christian
20 Beyer 56
21 Vacaville 57
22 Golden Valley 58
23 Rodriguez 59
24 Vintage EG,DC, ROCKLIN 60
25 Antelope Bethel 61 Argonaut D5
26 River Valley BURBANK 62
27Cordova Vallejo 63
28 St Marys (D2) 64
29 Sacramento(D2)
30 Modesto Christian (D2)
31 Central Valley
32 Patterson Rio Linda
33 Vanden
34Lincoln (L)
35 Rio Americano
36 Ceres Indercum , FLORIN
Take the total amount of Qualifiers and divide them into 4 equal brackets per CIF Website
This post was edited on 2/18 10:30 AM by H.E.A.T.
I have a strong feeling Folsom will be placed in D-1....I look at it from an intuitive perspective because I believe in all the conspiracy theories...lol. Nevertheless, I followed Heat's analysis with interest especially since Wood Creek beat Folsom. Heat you did a fine job! ...but that doesn't make us friends
Wow! Just after writing my last post...I saw your updated post. You put a lot of work into this...The entire site should be grateful.
Thank You very much.
Thank You very much.
Something else to add. Does Max preps change its routine and update the Rankings today or do they wait untill tommorrow as scheduled. There are teams that are ranked on the bubble who lost yesterday and could drop out come Thursday but be placed in Playoffs as of today
If Folsom is moved to D1 i cant wait to see their seed. I wish i could be a fly on the wall in those meetings. They had no idea that Sheldon would be this good and will have some explaining to do if they are not ranked #1 or #2. Yeah Woodcreek beat Folsom, but Sheldon has huge wins over Cantwell and El Cerrito, had a tougher schedule and won the Delta League outright. As for d2 if folsom is in what a logjam that would be with them, MC, and Sac. Elk Grove in with 3-10 record ouch. Interesting to see what happens with Burbank.
Just wanted this on same page to reference
As of this morning the unknown variables are as follows
Does CIF take teams Ranked in top 12 of their Division or just Top 12 Over all
The following leagues have 3rd place ties
Metro... Burbank 8-6 and Florin 8-6 they split
Tri County... Rio Linda 6-6 and Indercum 6-6 they split
MLL..............Summersville 6-6 and Argonaut Split
CCC.............Merced 6-4 Pitman 6-4 Merced sweep
SCAC Bethel,Fairfield,Vallejo all 4-6. Vallejo swept Bethel who swept fairfield who split with vallejo
Rankings are not out yet finalized. The following is the order of teams locked. Teams to the outside are the unknown and BOLD were ranked as of tuesday and where they would shift list
1 Franklin 37 Manteca
2 Pleasant Grove 38 Vista Del LAgo FAIRFIELD
3 Enochs 39 Eldorado
4 Oak Ridge 40 sierra
5 Sheldon 41 Placer
6 Chavez 42 Weston Ranch
7 Edison 43 Christian BROS(D3)
8 Woodcreek 44 Liberty Ranch DIXON,UNION MINE
9 Turlock 45 Foothill
10 Tokay MONTEREY TRAIL 46 Calaveras NATOMAS
11 River City Pitman 47 Sonora MESA VERDE
12Kennedy 48 Marysville
13 Granite Bay 49 Highlands
14 Bella Vista Merced 50 West Campus
15 Jesuit 51 Ripon
16 Folsom 52 San Juan
17Tracy 53 Delhi
18 Cosumnes Oaks 54 Riverbank Summersville
19Bear Creek WHITNEY 55 Capital Christian
20 Beyer 56
21 Vacaville 57
22 Golden Valley 58
23 Rodriguez 59
24 Vintage EG,DC, ROCKLIN 60
25 Antelope Bethel 61 Argonaut D5
26 River Valley BURBANK 62
27Cordova Vallejo 63
28 St Marys (D2) 64
29 Sacramento(D2)
30 Modesto Christian (D2)
31 Central Valley
32 Patterson Rio Linda
33 Vanden
34Lincoln (L)
35 Rio Americano
36 Ceres Indercum , FLORIN
Take the total amount of Qualifiers and divide them into 4 equal brackets per CIF Website
This post was edited on 2/18 12:24 PM by H.E.A.T.
As of this morning the unknown variables are as follows
Does CIF take teams Ranked in top 12 of their Division or just Top 12 Over all
The following leagues have 3rd place ties
Metro... Burbank 8-6 and Florin 8-6 they split
Tri County... Rio Linda 6-6 and Indercum 6-6 they split
MLL..............Summersville 6-6 and Argonaut Split
CCC.............Merced 6-4 Pitman 6-4 Merced sweep
SCAC Bethel,Fairfield,Vallejo all 4-6. Vallejo swept Bethel who swept fairfield who split with vallejo
Rankings are not out yet finalized. The following is the order of teams locked. Teams to the outside are the unknown and BOLD were ranked as of tuesday and where they would shift list
1 Franklin 37 Manteca
2 Pleasant Grove 38 Vista Del LAgo FAIRFIELD
3 Enochs 39 Eldorado
4 Oak Ridge 40 sierra
5 Sheldon 41 Placer
6 Chavez 42 Weston Ranch
7 Edison 43 Christian BROS(D3)
8 Woodcreek 44 Liberty Ranch DIXON,UNION MINE
9 Turlock 45 Foothill
10 Tokay MONTEREY TRAIL 46 Calaveras NATOMAS
11 River City Pitman 47 Sonora MESA VERDE
12Kennedy 48 Marysville
13 Granite Bay 49 Highlands
14 Bella Vista Merced 50 West Campus
15 Jesuit 51 Ripon
16 Folsom 52 San Juan
17Tracy 53 Delhi
18 Cosumnes Oaks 54 Riverbank Summersville
19Bear Creek WHITNEY 55 Capital Christian
20 Beyer 56
21 Vacaville 57
22 Golden Valley 58
23 Rodriguez 59
24 Vintage EG,DC, ROCKLIN 60
25 Antelope Bethel 61 Argonaut D5
26 River Valley BURBANK 62
27Cordova Vallejo 63
28 St Marys (D2) 64
29 Sacramento(D2)
30 Modesto Christian (D2)
31 Central Valley
32 Patterson Rio Linda
33 Vanden
34Lincoln (L)
35 Rio Americano
36 Ceres Indercum , FLORIN
Take the total amount of Qualifiers and divide them into 4 equal brackets per CIF Website
This post was edited on 2/18 12:24 PM by H.E.A.T.
I think you mean Burbank is the #3 out of the Metro conference league. Florin should get in too if they are using the division rankings.
I would predict Folsom #1 seed, Sheldon #2 seed and Woodcreek #3 but it could also be Sheldon #1, Woodcreek #2 and Folsom #3. Don't know who #4 would be. Could be any of 4-5 teams. On Maxpreps it is Pleasant Grove #4 and then Oakridge #5. Being from the SFL I think both Oakridge and Granite Bay are ranked too high in the rankings. I would not be surprised if Woodcreek came out on top in the section. Their frosh center plays way beyond his years and at our game last night he and Noah Blackwell were doing some nice pick and roll action. When they work together they are almost unstoppable.
I sincerely hope we (Folsom) get into D1. I would LOVE to smash Sheldon at some point. I know how much Heat hates on Folsom and it would ABSOLUTELY kill him to see his beloved Huskies go down to Folsom.
That would make my year...
Heat! Where you at playa!?
That would make my year...
Heat! Where you at playa!?
First 4 seeds in d1 could be Delta and Sfl teams. I have Sheldon no lower than #2 and Woodcreek on lower than #3, thats if Folsom is D1, If Folsom is D2 I have Sheldon at #1 and Woodcreek #2. If Folsom is D2 i have no idea who number 1 seed would be in d2. Also let me add this 2 cents, by any means do i feel Woodcreek is dominant, outside of Folsom there is nothing on their schedule that impresses me. I think Pleasant Grove, Sheldon, Kennedy, Franklin could beat them and i would not be surprised.
finally someone who knows basketball. I love Noah, been watching him since 4th grade. And Brown I think is the best player in the area, not the most dominant but the best. But no way in hell is WC in the top 3. They beat a down Folsom, who has been playing like crap since the football players came in. Don't get me wrong They are a better team with them but chemistry is so outta wack. Folsom had their only D1 signee in hoop out hurt and WC was at home. Folsom made so many mistakes in the 4th qtr and WC made very few. Funny thing is Joey D was there and saw all of that and still has WC ahead of not only Folsom but Sheldon. Not really fair to the WC fans cuz they will think WC is actually better then these other teams and they not. Sac High is the only proven #1 seed in either division. Their league is weak but are beating teams by at least 40+. If Folsom goes D1 and Joey has anything to do with the seeding it'll be Sheldon vs Folsom in the semis so WC can play the winner.
In my opinion the hottest teams right now regardless of Divisions is Sheldon and Modesto Christian and they both played each other last weekend with Sheldon losing in a close game. People say Sheldon is vulnerable to teams with size but they have beaten some pretty good teams that have the size advantage. Modesto Christian with the addition of their 6'8 kid makes them a very heavy favorite in d2. Townes is enough to deal with but with him its a major upgrade.
Well it looks like my list is pretty much in tack. Only missing piece from my list which is a head scratcher is Ponderosa. They were ranked 15 coming into the last game. Yes they beat CO but how they jumped up into the top 12 is beyond me. Common now 6th place in the CVC. Guess it helps when the founder of Max Preps is a pondo guy
H.E.A.T that was a pretty impressive breakdown and it helped me (an NCS guy) wrap my head around the SJS seedings. I appreciate the effort. It gives a lot of value to this site when there are posters with good useful information.
Although this SJS method seems convoluted, it does give everybody who qualifies a chance and fills out all the brackets. If that was the goal, they've done their job. Looking forward to seeing how it turns out.
Although this SJS method seems convoluted, it does give everybody who qualifies a chance and fills out all the brackets. If that was the goal, they've done their job. Looking forward to seeing how it turns out.
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