SJS to delay Division III bracket release until Monday

[Streak One]

Pretty interesting decision by the section in dealing with the case against Capital Christian.

No update on how this affect Ripon Christian, which also received an injunction

 

[John Mellencamp]

CIF refusing to give in to Capital. They know once they are put in the bracket, they are in for good. Unless they are supremely confident they will prevail Monday morning.

 

[John Mellencamp]

**UPDATE**

Court has ruled in favor of CIF and denied the injunction. Capital Christian will not be playoff eligible.

 

[ThunderRam]

**UPDATE**

Court has ruled in favor of CIF and denied the injunction. Capital Christian will not be playoff eligible.

Garbage decision.

It’s so maddening the things the CIF/SJS decides to take hard stances on versus the crap they allow. They are so inconsistent and bipolar.

 

[John Mellencamp]

Response from Capital Christian AD Aaron Garcia

 

[bella123]

Capital should have used the Mater Dei lawyers.

 

[Rocknrolus 95361]

I actually thought it was because they had violated practice or dead time contact. And thought they were being punished over kill. But now ? It's WRONG for the kids to be punished for adults twisting rules! But I also see that by going around the rules they were also bypassing the reason for the safety protocols? But from this man view the kids are getting screwed out of something they deserve because of adults!

 

[mrbig864]

I’d love to have some on here refresh my old mans memory of what happened here. With my hazy memory, I believe CC was told by the section to not participate in club football last spring. Despite such warning, they did participate (or support such participation by offering uniforms, helmets, equipment, and perhaps…use of their field?
am I mis-remembering? Did CC receive some sort of punishment that other Schools did not?
Garcia’s Twitter post came across as disingenuous to me when he used CAPITAL letters and seemed to indicate the sections decision was aimed solely at the school because they were Christian.

ive got no ‘dog in this fight’, so help me understand why the section is in the wrong here.

 

[Streak One]

I believe you have it about it. It stemmed from club football and the section ruling that the club was Capital Christian and not a separate entity. I think the punishment was too harsh. I would have done a head coach suspension or not allowing home playoff games if a punishment was needed

 

[MTsince2004]

From the judge in the case, per the Sac Bee:

“Capital Christian and Cap City tried to find a loophole in the rules that would allow Capital Christian to play football at a time when schools were banned from doing so. It didn’t work,” the judge wrote. “Instead, CIF-SJS determined that the Capital Christian football team and the Cap City football team were effectively one and the same, and the appeals panel upheld that determination.”
In her ruling, the judge noted several points made by the Sac-Joaquin Section.
▪ Based on a review of Capital Christian’s rosters from the 2019-2020 school year, approximately 77 percent of Capital Christian’s football players played on the club team.
▪ Capital Christian’s athletic director Aaron Garcia was a club coach; Garcia reported that six club coaches were also Capital Christian football coaches.
▪ Capital Christian cheerleaders were present at a game in their Capital Christian uniforms. The Capital Christian mascot (a very large inflatable cougar head) was used at a pregame, and Cap City players ran through the mascot head when entering the field.

It was, the judge said, a Capital Christian team disguised as a club team. “To paraphrase the old saying, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck (or, at a minimum, the appeal panel was justified in determining it was a duck),” the judge said.



Read more at: https://www.sacbee.com/sports/high-school/article255448661.html#storylink=cpy

 

[John Mellencamp]

I think his anger comes from a number of different things.

1. Teams from other sections played in the CAPS league (North Coast, Central, Central Coast) and the Sac Joaquin section was the only one to punish member schools. The other sections looked the other way.

2. The teams that were punished were the teams that hosted the games, which were private schools. It wasn’t like Capital was the only team playing in Sacramento. There was a team in Woodland, Natomas and Roseville but they didn’t practice at a public school and were coached by outside people. And from what I heard from a few people involved with those teams, it was a money grab by those in charge, with not good coaching.

3. If you are Aaron Garcia or Saul Patu, are you going to trust your kid with those kind of people or do you want to create the best environment possible for your kids and anyone else who wants to play. There were kids from Elk Grove and Folsom on the Cap City team. It was probably 60/40 Capital kids/outside kids

4. Capital was in constant contact with the section office in a good faith effort to do things correctly. Meanwhile the section office was using these conversations to monitor what they were doing and then used it against them.

5. The section said they didnt punish other non Capital kids for playing they didn’t know who they were because Capital refused to turn over a roster. Why would they turn over a roster knowing that the section was acting in bad faith from the beginning? So more kids could be punished?

6. What is it about club football that makes the section so upset? AAU basketball was being played the whole time! The basketball facilities in Roseville (Courtside and Hardwood Palace) were full every weekend, playing games with programs run by HS coaches with their HS players.

 

[ThunderRam]

I think his anger comes from a number of different things.

1. Teams from other sections played in the CAPS league (North Coast, Central, Central Coast) and the Sac Joaquin section was the only one to punish member schools. The other sections looked the other way.

2. The teams that were punished were the teams that hosted the games, which were private schools. It wasn’t like Capital was the only team playing in Sacramento. There was a team in Woodland, Natomas and Roseville but they didn’t practice at a public school and were coached by outside people. And from what I heard from a few people involved with those teams, it was a money grab by those in charge, with not good coaching.

3. If you are Aaron Garcia or Saul Patu, are you going to trust your kid with those kind of people or do you want to create the best environment possible for your kids and anyone else who wants to play. There were kids from Elk Grove and Folsom on the Cap City team. It was probably 60/40 Capital kids/outside kids

4. Capital was in constant contact with the section office in a good faith effort to do things correctly. Meanwhile the section office was using these conversations to monitor what they were doing and then used it against them.

5. The section said they didnt punish other non Capital kids for playing they didn’t know who they were because Capital refused to turn over a roster. Why would they turn over a roster knowing that the section was acting in bad faith from the beginning? So more kids could be punished?

6. What is it about club football that makes the section so upset? AAU basketball was being played the whole time! The basketball facilities in Roseville (Courtside and Hardwood Palace) were full every weekend, playing games with programs run by HS coaches with their HS players.

As I said, ridiculous decision/punishment by all involved.

NorCal, particularly the SJS, plays by a different set of rules than everywhere else.

We all see what goes down each and every year in SoCal. Hell, there are players transferring back to original schools after football season. Yet a player like Cole Hannum loses his entire SR season for allegedly following a coach.

Now we’ve got the SJS pulling crap like this and not policing it’s own section evenly and fairly.

Then again, it’s not all that surprising coming from the section that for decades had the worst playoff system in the State.

 

[Cal 14]

The SJS set a rule and Cap Christian broke it. It's got nothing to do with any other section. If those sections made a rule and their teams broke it, it's up to them to address it. That's not the SJS's problem.

It also has nothing to do with what happens in SoCal. If Cap Christian likes playing by SS rules, they can ask to join that section. Until then, this is all their own fault.

 

[ThunderRam]

The SJS set a rule and Cap Christian broke it. It's got nothing to do with any other section. If those sections made a rule and their teams broke it, it's up to them to address it. That's not the SJS's problem.

It also has nothing to do with what happens in SoCal. If Cap Christian likes playing by SS rules, they can ask to join that section. Until then, this is all their own fault.

My comments are more of a general critique over years and years and decades and decades. Not just this one situation.

The SJS has historically been a very mismanaged and micromanaged entity. Their playoff and tiebreaking systems being a prime example of those in charge not having the first damned clue. The Cole Hannum situation being a prime example of micromanaging and worrying about mouse $#!t when there’s elephant $#!t everywhere. And being very selective.

Most of all, they have a longstanding tradition of punishing the student-athletes and not the actual adults responsible for whatever rules were violated. It’s beyond comical.

 

[Rocknrolus 95361]

My issue is still with adult's in all this. It's not the same but it does make me think. How college coaches rack up penalties for rules violations. The school gets the penalty and the coach moves to a different school? These kids worked hard all year. And this is NOT THEIR FAULT!

 

[Rocknrolus 95361]

And I am disappointed. I thought all the D3 playoff games on Saturday. Thought I could catch a couple of games close to my home. But now the game I wanted to see is now on Friday. So I can't watch 2!. But the Davis v Roseville is 3 blocks form my home. So Davis it is! Tje winner of that game gets Oakdale. So I will be checking out the competition!

 

[mistark]

Interested to see the results from Roseville v Grace Davis. Roseville is not as good as they've been the last 3 or 4 years but they play solid D and tackle well. Their lack of speed was not an issue vs Indy, will it be this week?

 

[John Mellencamp]

Interested to see the results from Roseville v Grace Davis. Roseville is not as good as they've been the last 3 or 4 years but they play solid D and tackle well. Their lack of speed was not an issue vs Indy, will it be this week?

This was a tough one for me in the pick'em. Grace Davis is a D2 by enrollment school playing in a D4 league (How does that work?) They haven't played anyone with a positive Calpreps rating, but are 10-0. Roseville plays in a very competitive league and hadn't faired very well until last weeks upset of Inderkum. May be my Northern part of the section bias, but im leaning toward Roseville.

 

[mistark]

Roseville has the edge sos.
I haven't seen Grace Davis play, but its hard to imagine they are more talented than Antleope, Indy or Yuba.
We shall see.

 

[Rocknrolus 95361]

Roseville has the edge sos.
I haven't seen Grace Davis play, but its hard to imagine they are more talented than Antleope, Indy or Yuba.
We shall see.

They Davis played without starting QB. Game was very close in my opinion. Davis better than I thought. Roseville gets to come to the Corral for the prize for winning!

 

[mistark]

Roseville is going to have a hard time scoring with Oakdale. Battle of wing t teams.

 

[mistark]

@ carlmerritt: You have some explaining to do now that your Downey got bounced by Lodi. Let's hear what happened?

 

[Scoop and Score]

@ carlmerritt: You have some explaining to do now that your Downey got bounced by Lodi. Let's hear what happened?

Lodi is well coached and underrated, that’s what happened. They were up 38-7.

 

[Scoop and Score]

They Davis played without starting QB. Game was very close in my opinion. Davis better than I thought. Roseville gets to come to the Corral for the prize for winning!

Davis used two QB’s all year, so they played with 1/2.

 

[mistark]

Scoop, how was the Roseville v Davis game, did you go to the game?

 

[FLAGRANT]

Let’s be real. 77% of the roster was CAP kids, 6 CAP coaches, cheerleaders, and a cougar head? They had a regular season. You think every school in the section didn’t want to do that? Of course those kids wanted to play as well. However; they could not because the Coaches and AD’s told them to follow protocol. This falls on the Coaches and Admin at Capital. Be thankful, A coach at Weston Ranch lost his job over covid regulations. It was a total disregard to the section and all the kids that did what they were ENFORCED to do. The kids that waited and stuck to the plan, are in the playoffs. The coaches and AD’s that didn’t will be at home next 2 seasons. Very unfortunate for the kids.

 

[Rocknrolus 95361]

Scoop, how was the Roseville v Davis game, did you go to the game?

I was at game. I said Davis QB out. But Davis couldn't stop the outside run. # 28 racked up long run after long run. Don't think there will be so many outside long runs at The Corral. I am by no means an expert on HS football. But, Oakdale will run up the middle and get about 30 first downs. In other words Oakdale football. Always fun at The Corral!