SJS-- Youth Advocate or Adversary?

[BigMann08]

Is the CIF's SJS a true champion for youth? Are the SJS administrative staff members responsible for processing transfer eligibility requests staunch advocates for all youth participating in youth sports?

Their rulings and decision-making regarding transfers have been incredibly tone def and show them great adversaries and opponents of youth in the Sacramento region.

The Kiku Parker fiasco made for bad press and left a sour taste in many people's mouths, especially those with strong ties to Sacramento. But, thankfully, NBA players, ex-MLB stars, politicians, youth activists, and members throughout the Greater Sacramento region supported Kiku Parker Jr. in his quest to play out his senior season at Grant.

I understand the need for a certain level of governance when it comes to governing youth sports. But the spirit of youth sports should always be advocacy!

There's no need for kids to miss six football games or half of the basketball season because they transferred schools, especially if they transferred before the school year or several months before the season starts. The CIF should grant the transfer full access to play sports if the new school accepts the student.


Does the SJS have a transfer problem? For example, what percentage of students athlete transfer schools in the SJS?

The Southern Section (SS), located in Southern California, is the largest in the state, with 400,000 student-athletes participating in athletic sports programs. Opponents accuse the section of high transfer rates, aided by a lax transfer policy that lets student athletes transfer relatively easily. According to their website, 98.25% of their student-athletes do not transfer schools during their high school experience. The section has a 1.75% transfer rate, which is neither extreme nor alarming.


I don't think that the CIF SJS respects the state legislature's power! I think it's time to meet with the California Legislature, which authorizes the CIF to administer High School sports in California, and share the countless stories of how the CIF SJS has ruined student-athletes career's/seasons. The SJS needs a firm reminder that just like it is a "privilege" for the athletes to participate in sports, it's also a privilege for the CIF-SJS to serve as governing body of the High School Sports of Sacramento.

If the CIF SJS doesn't want to ease up on the transfer rules, maybe it's time to tie them up in court and drain them of their resources! Per their website, "SJS Championship events generate 75% of their operating revenue." In other words, they can use the SJS championship earnings to fight lawsuits instead of making payroll to ruin kids high school seasons.

 

[Three Bears]

The Section operates at the direction of the Board of Managers, which is made up of representatives from each and every league in the Section. Any change in how the Section operates would come from the individual leagues deciding to make a change.

 

[BigMann08]

The Section operates at the direction of the Board of Managers, which is made up of representatives from each and every league in the Section. Any change in how the Section operates would come from the individual leagues deciding to make a change.

So it sounds like the best way to bring about change is to tie the CIF-SJS up in court. Especially since the league membership dues make up a smaller portion of the sections revenue.

 

[Three Bears]

So it sounds like the best way to bring about change is to tie the CIF-SJS up in court. Especially since the league membership dues make up a smaller portion of the sections revenue.

I don't know if that is the best way as league membership dues cover the operation costs of the section. Playoff revenue allows for those dues to reduced or reimbursed. Change needs to come from the body of administrators and athletic directors as they are the ones that vote on policy.

 

[ararar]

I don't know if that is the best way as league membership dues cover the operation costs of the section. Playoff revenue allows for those dues to reduced or reimbursed. Change needs to come from the body of administrators and athletic directors as they are the ones that vote on policy.

Money talk’s very loud in this society.The SS with their deep pockets couldn’t afford the litigation.

 

[BigMann08]

I don't know if that is the best way as league membership dues cover the operation costs of the section. Playoff revenue allows for those dues to reduced or reimbursed. Change needs to come from the body of administrators and athletic directors as they are the ones that vote on policy.

Duly noted. Countless families, media, etc. have already complained about the current processes and its biases. It sounds like the voting body has been unwilling to change, as they have a vested interest in the schools. Not the kids… Of it was really about the kids, we really wouldn’t have all of these issues. Are we to now lobby the voting board?

You don’t think that change will come with lawsuits and pressure applied by the State Legislature?

The Southern Section has taken a much different posture when it comes to transfer matters. They are much more understanding of families transferring and are often criticized for their relaxed transfer rules. The SS has reported that less than 2 percent of athletes in their section transfer. I couldn’t imagine the SJS transfer request being that much higher.

 

[THEOC89]

Is the CIF's SJS a true champion for youth? Are the SJS administrative staff members responsible for processing transfer eligibility requests staunch advocates for all youth participating in youth sports?

Their rulings and decision-making regarding transfers have been incredibly tone def and show them great adversaries and opponents of youth in the Sacramento region.

The Kiku Parker fiasco made for bad press and left a sour taste in many people's mouths, especially those with strong ties to Sacramento. But, thankfully, NBA players, ex-MLB stars, politicians, youth activists, and members throughout the Greater Sacramento region supported Kiku Parker Jr. in his quest to play out his senior season at Grant.

I understand the need for a certain level of governance when it comes to governing youth sports. But the spirit of youth sports should always be advocacy!

There's no need for kids to miss six football games or half of the basketball season because they transferred schools, especially if they transferred before the school year or several months before the season starts. The CIF should grant the transfer full access to play sports if the new school accepts the student.


Does the SJS have a transfer problem? For example, what percentage of students athlete transfer schools in the SJS?

The Southern Section (SS), located in Southern California, is the largest in the state, with 400,000 student-athletes participating in athletic sports programs. Opponents accuse the section of high transfer rates, aided by a lax transfer policy that lets student athletes transfer relatively easily. According to their website, 98.25% of their student-athletes do not transfer schools during their high school experience. The section has a 1.75% transfer rate, which is neither extreme nor alarming.


I don't think that the CIF SJS respects the state legislature's power! I think it's time to meet with the California Legislature, which authorizes the CIF to administer High School sports in California, and share the countless stories of how the CIF SJS has ruined student-athletes career's/seasons. The SJS needs a firm reminder that just like it is a "privilege" for the athletes to participate in sports, it's also a privilege for the CIF-SJS to serve as governing body of the High School Sports of Sacramento.

If the CIF SJS doesn't want to ease up on the transfer rules, maybe it's time to tie them up in court and drain them of their resources! Per their website, "SJS Championship events generate 75% of their operating revenue." In other words, they can use the SJS championship earnings to fight lawsuits instead of making payroll to ruin kids high school seasons.

The issue with this is in So Cal You had 1 Private School that has more money then God go after the SS and they said Uncle…. That is what opened the Door for all the Transfers because the SS was not willing to fight….

Frankly, if kids are going to public school and their parents are not willing to pay to send them to private then go to the public scho where you live in the district and stop complaining….

There are plenty of Public’s with open enrollment, etc so there are choices…. If you are transferring your SR year then yes, you should sit out if that is the rules…. You can’t just have kids jumping from school to school, it is not good for the kids and it is not good for the schools….

The SS is a total mess right now and it has showed this year more than any…. It’s not working down there and it won’t work up here…..

 

[BigMann08]

The issue with this is in So Cal You had 1 Private School that has more money then God go after the SS and they said Uncle…. That is what opened the Door for all the Transfers because the SS was not willing to fight….

Frankly, if kids are going to public school and their parents are not willing to pay to send them to private then go to the public scho where you live in the district and stop complaining….

There are plenty of Public’s with open enrollment, etc so there are choices…. If you are transferring your SR year then yes, you should sit out if that is the rules…. You can’t just have kids jumping from school to school, it is not good for the kids and it is not good for the schools….

The SS is a total mess right now and it has showed this year more than any…. It’s not working down there and it won’t work up here…..

The SS reported that less than 2 percent of their student athletes transfer per year. Overwhelmingly, kids are not transferring schools. The Parker kid had a legitimate reason for transferring and shouldn't have had to sit out.

Who are we to say what's good for a kid? What is it that is not good for the schools?

Does the SJS have a transfer problem? Has it ever had a transfer problem? It sounds like the vast majority of student athletes do not transfer.

It sounds like transferring is working out for a lot of kids and families in the SS. What about it is not working out for these families (student athletes)?

 

[THEOC89]

The SS reported that less than 2 percent of their student athletes transfer per year. Overwhelmingly, kids are not transferring schools. The Parker kid had a legitimate reason for transferring and shouldn't have had to sit out.

Who are we to say what's good for a kid? What is it that is not good for the schools?

Does the SJS have a transfer problem? Has it ever had a transfer problem? It sounds like the vast majority of student athletes do not transfer.

It sounds like transferring is working out for a lot of kids and families in the SS. What about it is not working out for these families (student athletes)?

The Parker thing is absolutely what is wrong with transfers….

Kid and Dad Get Butt Hurt because the Coach, who he had a Great relationship with, Yells at him during a game…. Kid happens to play with Grants summer team and ends up there….. Sure he wasn’t recruited….

CIF correctly rules the kid ineligible so Dad hired a lawyer to smear the Coach in the Media and gets his way….. Great example for all involved….

The funniest part of all this is per the Kids Dad they sent him to El Camino to “Challenge Him Academically”…… 🤣

This was clearly an athletically motivated transfer because Dad didn’t say he was going to Grant to “Challenge Him Academically” and the kid should be sitting out some games…. But he is not, so good for him….

If you think that getting rid of Transfer rules and being more like So Cal would be better for Nor Cal Football then you haven’t been watching So Cal FB, because it is not….

How are all the Kids being benefited whose teams are Chosen for the D1 Bracket that have Zero Chance of winning?…. No chance of an upset, No Chance of keeping a game close…. Just a 50 point Beatdown at the hands of MD or SJB…..

If some SJS school and their Alumni feel it’s that important to open their wallets and fight the CIF-SJS then more power to them…. To me it’s senseless, the current system works, it’s the So Cal system that is broken…. Not one SS team other than SJB made a Top Level SBG…. They were all beaten by San Diego or Bakersfield….
This is all just my opinion and I just don’t like what the SS has become, it’s just Boring to watch at this point as a fan….

But in the end, I do feel and always have that Kids should be able to play where they want as long as it is within the rules….

And Maybe the reason the SJS doesn’t have a Transfer problem is because they have rules….🤣

 

[BigMann08]

The Parker thing is absolutely what is wrong with transfers….

Kid and Dad Get Butt Hurt because the Coach, who he had a Great relationship with, Yells at him during a game…. Kid happens to play with Grants summer team and ends up there….. Sure he wasn’t recruited….

CIF correctly rules the kid ineligible so Dad hired a lawyer to smear the Coach in the Media and gets his way….. Great example for all involved….

The funniest part of all this is per the Kids Dad they sent him to El Camino to “Challenge Him Academically”…… 🤣

This was clearly an athletically motivated transfer because Dad didn’t say he was going to Grant to “Challenge Him Academically” and the kid should be sitting out some games…. But he is not, so good for him….

If you think that getting rid of Transfer rules and being more like So Cal would be better for Nor Cal Football then you haven’t been watching So Cal FB, because it is not….

How are all the Kids being benefited whose teams are Chosen for the D1 Bracket that have Zero Chance of winning?…. No chance of an upset, No Chance of keeping a game close…. Just a 50 point Beatdown at the hands of MD or SJB…..

If some SJS school and their Alumni feel it’s that important to open their wallets and fight the CIF-SJS then more power to them…. To me it’s senseless, the current system works, it’s the So Cal system that is broken…. Not one SS team other than SJB made a Top Level SBG…. They were all beaten by San Diego or Bakersfield….
This is all just my opinion and I just don’t like what the SS has become, it’s just Boring to watch at this point as a fan….

But in the end, I do feel and always have that Kids should be able to play where they want as long as it is within the rules….

And Maybe the reason the SJS doesn’t have a Transfer problem is because they have rules….🤣

Yelling to motivate is one thing but yelling to embarrass and verbally abuse is unacceptable. A lot of witnesses (coaches and officials included) stated that the coaches behavior represented the latter. If the two parties were not able to work out their differences, then it is best to part ways.

According to reports, the family tried to work things out with the coach after the season but the coach wasn’t interested in doing so.

Do you have kids? If so, what would you do if you were faced with this scenario?

I’m not sure if you are from Sac, but the young man grew up in the neighborhood where Grant is located. All of the North area kids grew up playing at Grant’s gym. (camps, youth league, AAU, training, etc) It’s a communal thing. He transferred to Grant after his spring semester at El Camino. He transferred to Grant prior to playing on their summer league team.


MD and SJB are private schools. They play by different rules than public schools. A lot of kids in SoCal want to play at MD and SJB. They are national ranked programs.

Majority of the top SS teams compete in the Division 1 playoffs and are eliminated by SJB and MD. The team that wins that game plays in the open.

SD and Bakersfields D1 representative aren’t playing a top SS team. If there was a SoCal Open, they would be eliminated by MD and Bosco too.