Spread versed run based offence
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But if you can run for 665 yards. Do you really need to pass? If you average 9.1 yards per run?
My son is not a jock. I will put it my son is a nerd! In forth grade he brought home a note from school. About tutor club. I thought that he needed tutoring. But said they wanted him to be a teacher. So my son did tutoring. I met a few different parents. So. I went to their kids games. And I listen to them talking about Oakdale running wing-t. I have heard from multiple dads. Wing-t is boring, it old fashioned. Kids don't like it! Well from what I have seen when it is ran well? It's beautiful watching the wrong guy tackled.
My son is not a jock. I will put it my son is a nerd! In forth grade he brought home a note from school. About tutor club. I thought that he needed tutoring. But said they wanted him to be a teacher. So my son did tutoring. I met a few different parents. So. I went to their kids games. And I listen to them talking about Oakdale running wing-t. I have heard from multiple dads. Wing-t is boring, it old fashioned. Kids don't like it! Well from what I have seen when it is ran well? It's beautiful watching the wrong guy tackled.
I watched Miramonte v Oakdale game. Spread v Wing-t. I have stated before I don't know crap about crap!. But started watching youtube video on wing-t. It seems you don't have to have great athletes to run wing-t. If you have good athletes spread is great. With good ball handling the wing-t you can crank out yards. Oakdale had 3 back rushing for over 100 yards. One of those had over 200. Another back got 90 yards. First half of that game was crazy. The second half more of an Oakdale style game. Long sustained time consuming drives. And they are still working on line play.
I just started this for a conversation starter. I myself can only have just so much of Folsom v DLS!
I think teams need to run a system that highlights their strengths. Most schools generally have the same type of rosters each year (kids who can throw, kids who can run, kids who can catch, big linemen, small linemen, etc) though the talent of each category does go up and down on a year to year basis. So make an offense that works for your kids.
Take two SJS schools, Monterey Trail and Downey. Run very different offenses but both have a lot of success putting up points and yards. They have created an identity that can be achieved with the kids they usually get and both programs (to different degrees) have enjoy sustained success.
Take two SJS schools, Monterey Trail and Downey. Run very different offenses but both have a lot of success putting up points and yards. They have created an identity that can be achieved with the kids they usually get and both programs (to different degrees) have enjoy sustained success.
Scheme is overrated. Be sound in what you do. Be multiple and have multiple solutions. Make 1 thing look 4 or 5 things. Keep it simple for your offense but make it look impossible for the defense to decipher it. You need to be able to move the ball in all weather and field conditions. You need to have answers on running the ball vs 8 and 9 man boxes and you need to have answers on how to beat both simulated and man zero blitzes in the pass game. Take what you do best and find multiple formations, shifts and personel packages to dress it up and take advantage of all situations you see throughout the season.
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The spread really depends on a QB who can pass well. And receivers who can catch. Most schools cannot keep re-loading at the QB spot. With a run-first offense, that's not the case. It's more basic and does not rely on a quality QB. Or huge linemen for that matter.
Placer Hillmen run the Wing-T and do ok with it...us locals have no prob with it,especially when it’s run right..
and at Placer...Coach Montoya see’s that it’s run right,he does a great job in disguising it for the Defense!
and at Placer...Coach Montoya see’s that it’s run right,he does a great job in disguising it for the Defense!
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We see it over and over again. A decent, neighborhood public school football program, though not blessed with a solid QB and receivers, persists in trying to do what it really can't by forcing its players to perform in a wide open, spread offense. Why? Because it's the current flavor among the more elite programs at all levels. Coaches attend camps and clinics and, more often than not, peer pressure wins out and too many mentors cave and go sexy. It doesn't work for most of them. As others have stated, go with the basics, keep things simple, execute, minimize turnovers and penalties, play tough defense, pay attention to special teams, prepare, scout and give teens a chance to succeed within their capabilities. It's not rocket science.
Depends on your offensive line more so than anything. If you got 5 solid guys and no weak links that the defense can attack then you can run whatever you want.
It's really hard to be great year in and year out. This might not be a popular statement but imo it's much easier to be decent in the spread vs being decent under center with a run game. It takes time and effort to block and time up the run game (coaches & players). It's easier to time up passing routes and throw the ball around in shirts and shorts. You only get better in the run game with pads and effort in the heat...it's not fun but it has to be done. You can't FastTrack the run game it takes effort & time.
Every great team should be stealing from the best teams. I know we took from the very best gun offenses and made it work with what we already did great from the Wing t. It's also why I think its lazy to label us as just wing t. You're not watching or understanding our concepts if you think we were just wing t. Our offense was West coast/wing t gap schemes blocking, we added simple zone n spread concepts that didn't take much time but gave us more options in the pass and run game to account for very aggressive defenses that had size, speed and toughness.
Every great team should be stealing from the best teams. I know we took from the very best gun offenses and made it work with what we already did great from the Wing t. It's also why I think its lazy to label us as just wing t. You're not watching or understanding our concepts if you think we were just wing t. Our offense was West coast/wing t gap schemes blocking, we added simple zone n spread concepts that didn't take much time but gave us more options in the pass and run game to account for very aggressive defenses that had size, speed and toughness.
Some of the very worst teams along the Peninsula try to run the spread without competent QBs or WRs. It's like watching PE classes with pads, uniforms and refs.
My nephew was an o-line guy. But a bench player. I got interested in watching o-line play. To me that's what the wing-t go. Watching a 5'6" 150 pound pulling guard frustrate those huge Central Catholic linemen is priceless!
Nothing more demoralizing for a defense if you can't stop the run.
The higher the level of football, the more diversity is needed.
You’re not running for 665 yards against a disciplined defense with talent, size, speed, and good coaching. Especially while being one-dimensional.
The reason most programs run offenses like the wing-t and veer (triple option) is to try compensate for not having size and/or athletes. It’s an attempt to level the playing field by utilizing deception and limiting possessions and plays.
And you predominantly only see this tactic work at the lower levels of football. HS and youth, of course, and to a much lesser extent at the lower levels of collegiate football. You don’t see it work at the FBS level or professionally.
If a team isn’t needing to compensate for deficiencies — those run based offenses aren’t the best options. A pro style, west coast or spread offense are much less predictable and much more diverse.
That’s precisely why you see the vast majority of large school programs running more diverse offenses.
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