I miss Emmett Neal when he was aggressive going to the basket instead of chucking 25 ft 3 pointers. I think for now it probably should be E. Neal, because there absolutely no J.
St. Francis @ SHC
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Irish did prove they can play with bigger teams. Nothing some defensive specialists wouldn't cure.
The best defensive option was putting Neal on Johnson. As you saw, that didnt work. Best scheme would be do double him. Someone stick to Yuan and let someone else beat you. SH hung around. Below average night for Monroe. Lancers were able to get some charges on Monroe. I think really the next phase of Monroe's game would be to do his dribble drive to the lane and find Olgesby for layups.
Not sure if you were at the game but the Lancers played Zone all night to take away Monroes penetration and live with long jump shots from other guys. Monroe was not perfect by any means last night. But I think below average? 18 points and 8 assists? Man , I would hate to see him on a average night. 8 ASSISTS. Sacred Heart was right there, you win some and you lose some. They will bounce back. Coach Sean will make some adjustments on the offensive end and defensive end. It was good to see them utilize post players last night. Not many teams have slowed down Logan Johnson and not many will if you play man to man and St. Francis is allowed to make that moving ball screen. He utilizes that well . Good win for St. Francis, SHC has battled well. Let's see how they regroup vs Valley and Serra. WCAL, no cupcakes in this league.
18 and 8 mathematically was below his average. Very nice game nonetheless, but had Monroe hit his average, I think the outcome would have been different. After 5 games, there isnt as much parity as I thought there would be. It's a 3 horse race now.
Long way to go , just the first half of the league. All the games have been real competitive. I hear you though. Monroe is a sophomore, leading that team. EJ will find his groove, Oglesby will find a way. SHC is one or two possessions from being 4-1 in league but they who they are 2-3 with 9 games left in league, should be fun to watch.
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The Mercury News had Logan Johnson's line of 26 points, 15 rebounds and six assists.
You don't see many full lines like that against good competition
You don't see many full lines like that against good competition
You sure love Forslund!!! Good coach! A little full of himself. Probably why he wasn’t hired and most likely why he isn’t at Half Moon Bay anymore.
I think you may be right SimplyB, Roy Yuan is the best 3pt shooter ever in league history!
From the few games, i've attended. He is shooting well over 50% from behind the arc
Nice production (as always). Cant get over how meager the student sections at SHC are. Correction there is no student sections. By the look only girls basketball team after practice. Pretty pathetic when team bench has to lead "defense" cheers. My suggestion, pack em into the old gym to give what crowd they have a more intimidating aura. The girls used to play there, and I do recall a CCS boys game (for SH one game) in there. There is absolutely no home=court advantage in bigger gym.
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That’s been the case for years for weekday games. Always a scarce crowd unfortunately. Nice to see them battling in league.
I think you need to lower your expectations City. This school does not field sports teams as a for-profit business. Look at the location. Not a lot of students live within a 1 mile radius of campus. Most of the student body already went home (Sunset, Richmond, Excelsior, Mission, Daly City, etc.) We arent in the middle of an easily accessable neighborhood like our 2 other private school counterparts.
Instead of focusing on the lack of people there, why not commend the ones that are there, showing their support. I'd rather they play games first on the blacktop on the freshman campus first before playing at the old gym.
But it's no problem packing USF on a week night-during Winter Break?
The lack of student support/ faculty support is a valid concern/comment. That's one of the reasons the small fan base of adults at SHC is so divided. Maybe one of the few schools that you see this at. They have a good little team up there on Ellis street competing but the things I hear in the stands is ridiculous. The Bruce Mahoney game is a great experience for kids at SHC but after that its nothing special. The atmosphere is a sterile environment. The music that they play is horrible for those kids. It' 2018. The student athletes deserve better. Just my 2 cents. Nathan Robinson left for greener pastures. Ryan Daly left as well I heard.
I am wondering will SHC manage to keep Neal and Monroe for the long haul.
I am wondering will SHC manage to keep Neal and Monroe for the long haul.
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Oh I thought you knew that going to the Bruce Mahoney games for football and basketball fulfilled your school spirit obligations? There is no need to go to any other games.
Transferring nowadays is just normal. Im not even surprised anymore with the options that are out there for the kids. Kids dont want to be pigeon-holed. They want to go to a place where they feel their talents are best utilized so they can have possible success in college.
I think we were fortunate to have Alfred Hollins for three years. Ideally he was a small forward that had a superior perimeter game. I believe from what I saw he was asked to do better for the team and do other things like rebound and play interior defense instead of working on becoming an A+ offensive player. I think he was able to do that going to the Arizona Prep school.
Robinson's case I dont know his situation other than he commuted from the east bay for 3 years and that is alot to ask for to come to a school thats really not convenient to go to on daily basis if you dont live in the city. Other kids that we've had that have come from the east bay have lasted. Everyone is different and makes their own choice. We were lucky to have Nathan as well.
For what its worth the school's bread and butter teams have remained competitive and are always in the hunt for CCS and make the playoffs. Winning titles is just gravy. Really cant ask for a whole lot more than that. I'd say thats pretty darn good for a school in the middle of nowhere in the city, with the limited facilities/space we have, and what you guys are saying, limited fan support.
Go Irish.
Good and valid thoughts. The Mitty game had a great fan showing but I stand by my statement. SHC needs better fan support.
There is the underlying factor of race as well. We got some good kids that have been given the opportunity to receive a private school education. I dont know the student body number but I would guess the average per class is 250 and probably about 10-15 of that is African American. And thats great because guess what my graduating class had only THREE. Those families that have their kids on these teams are no doubt in the stands supporting their kids. If thats 40 or so fans of support then so be it.
The one time I think it was sold out was Aaron Gordon's senior year when Herman Pratt gave him all he could handle. The novice fan even showed up for that because of the buzz that Gordon carried around. I guarantee you the next time a WCAL team has an NBA guy on their roster, the stands will be close to full.
The Riordan @ SHC game had a decent size crowd although it seemed like half the fans were rooting for Riordan. It's disappointing that high school and college sports in the Bay Area barely move the needle. I'm from a small town in the Midwest and it seems like the whole town would show up for high school sports. I am sure we have all heard stories from back in the day about having to play intra-city games at Kezar because even Riordan wasn't big enough to accommodate all the fans.
On the bright side - at least we have a nice cozy little forum here for us hard-core fanatics to discuss high school sports!
On the bright side - at least we have a nice cozy little forum here for us hard-core fanatics to discuss high school sports!
Both Gordon brothers (Drew and Aaron) packed the Crusader Forum. Former AD Ron Isola even set up courtside seats surrounding the Forum floor when Drew's team faced Rob Jones /Jorge Camacho-led Crusaders. Riordan got the win that night. Crusaders fell short against Aaron's Mitty Monarchs a few years later. Packed house with students, parents, alumni and fans, the Crusader band, great snack bar and a high level quality of basketball from both teams- a very cool HS atmosphere!
And that's the problem. CCS titles are relatively easy compared to league titles. Simply go to WCAL website, even Valley Christian has more overall league titles than SHC and they have been in league a fraction of time. CCS going to division has watered down expectation. Case in point, the 1972 SH CCS champion. They did it with only one division. Now that is an accomplishiment. Serra goes DI every year despite enrollment; I respect that.
Transferring is normal, does not make it right. Some of these kids tuitions are being "supplemented". The claim is based on need. Then they leave. No allegiance but to themselves. As talented as some of these kids are, the right people and schools will find them. My opinion is AAU has given parents more say in the matter (I really dont fault them), but its the schools chemistry that suffers. Again, if you are good, they will find you.
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You are correct, but in all honesty, the band is obligated to be there. I agree they are a nice pressence, but they are not there every game. But even so, crowds have dwindled a bit over last few years. I believe for whatever reason, single sex males schools dont have the peer pressure that has been reflected in schools such as SHC and SI. Serra is a great example
The players you used to support were kids you grew up with, played against in grammar school, went to school with, took the bus to school together, got rides home with their parents. Now with out of city transfers, along with tranfers on a yearly basis, youre not encouraged to root for somebody you have little in common with.
Attendance seems to be declining all over Norcal for the last several years. Sad! Just a theory, but I would think social media probably plays a big factor in this? Everyone is so self involved and caught up in their own little cyber world. Why go to a game and be apart of a school community when you can be your own star on Instagram every night!? Fun!
You are correct, to a point. It is by choice a student joins the band and participation in playing at home games when there is not another conflict (I.e. Chinese New Years/World Series Parades, band competitions, etc.) Yes. The crowds are not the same as in years past. The fact that the City teams do not play at Kezar/USF for ALL their games is testament to that.
Serra has been playing in Division 2 for basketball the last 10 years or so, which the school's enrollment level. Every so often Serra's enrollment numbers might move them up to Division 1 for Basketball.
NOTE: The C.C.S. makes sure there 24 schools listed for the top 4 Divisions (1, 2, 3, 4), which sometimes moves Serra to Division 1.
Schools can only play in their Enrollment Division or the OPEN Division in basketball. And the C.C.S. coaches [Seeding Committee Members] select the teams to play in the OPEN Division.
Which is why I love small public school games! No, the talent level isn't elite, but the kids play their butts off in front of great crowds quite often. And some of the talent is actually pretty good. A lot of these kids have played together since before middle school and it's fun to watch. Give me a public school DV rivalry game in a packed gym on a Friday night anytime!
True. We used to get 1000 at least for football and basketball. Even the frosh games would get over 200 in the crowd.
Thats really interesting, the peer pressure part... Sooooo I believe this still happens, if not, maybe its just past my time, but Riordan and MercySF students seem to find each other after school alot. So is that peer pressure minimized only during school hours?
Same here. PAL South Quad games (rivalry games) on a Friday night is always a great crowd/atmosphere, great games with good talent. Stands are rocking, kids are screaming and players are giving 110% effort. When I go watch a WCAL game now-a-days, the crowd is missing, the student body support is minimal and it's just not as exciting. The exceptions are the Jungle and Bruce Mahoney games. But back in the 90's...Riordan, SI and Serra home games were always live with a packed gym.
I remember going to a Riordan-SI game at Kezar back in the mid-80's... Talk about atmosphere... Both bands going at it, stands full... LOUD... That was great stuff!
Funny you say this, I just happen to be at Mercy game today. A LOT of Riordan boys in attendance a very loud crowd. It was an atmosphere you rarely see at the boys games nowadays. Again, back to the point that these girls are part of the school community, not representing just sports. They genuinely care and support each other
I applaud you for supporting the schools. Also applaud that you can stomach watching Mercy.
Any game details? Monroe and Neal had to be cold, Irish possess much more speed and athleticism than the Warriors.Forget what I just said. Valley Christian won 74-64....
No, it wasn't online or anything, but both teams scored over 26 points in the 4th quarter alone. I can only imagine VC used their height advantage.
