St Joe’s 63, Sacred Heart 58
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Got some stats... Campos had 22, but somehow it seemed like more. I don’t have any other stats, but it seemed like had about that many rebounds, too.
Anthony Yu added 9 and Tyler Woods 7 to go along with a great floor game.
For the Irish, Hudson had 26 and Monroe had 18, but the rest of the team had only 14.
Anthony Yu added 9 and Tyler Woods 7 to go along with a great floor game.
For the Irish, Hudson had 26 and Monroe had 18, but the rest of the team had only 14.
Well they do stay in comfy D5. Unless Jason Kidd reincarnates himself, SJ will not be in Open any time soon even with very good teams.
Dont be bitter, st joes was in the open last year. 30-2 season vs a solid schedule which included 3 wins over state champ spsv as well as dls.
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St. Joseph according to Maxpreps since 2010:
2017 Open: loss to Mitty 1st round
2010-2016: Division V (2011 State Champs, 2012 State Runner-up, 2013 State Runner-up, 2014 State Champs, 2015 Regional Semis, 2016 State Champs)
The optics are clear here. If you can stay in your lower level Division and pile up state titles and not challenge yourself by going to Open Division, then thats the move.
No bitterness here my friend. Just stating the obvious. If youre a great team every year, play the best competition.
With competitive equity, my guess is St. Joes is D1 this year and no lower than D2. With Vaughns getting eligible in January, Pilots will be right there as the top challenger to Salesian (big gap though) in the TCAL Rock
Streak, Im not 100% positive, but I dont believe you can jump out of your division (based on enrollment size?) unless its to Open. St. Joseph's has mostly been Division V and maybe prior to 2010 Division IV.
I thought that was changing this year, at least in NCS? Competitive equity is going to be the format going forward rather than school size.
I thought the competitive equity doesn't start until Norcals. All teams are locked in for divisions during Sections. St. Joe's being D4 again. Once Norcals start the enrollment divisions go out the window and teams are seeded 1-88. Top 8 = open. Next 16 D1 & so on. Gonna be weird to see D1 schools playing D4/5 in norcals
This is the best layout by far. Top 8 in Open regardless of Division. The games will be much more competitive and should go down to the wire.
Thank you for the league correction. Blanked on that change (still doesn't make a lot of sense).
Yes, each section has their own rules when it come to divisions, but NorCals will be competitive equity this year.
Yes, each section has their own rules when it come to divisions, but NorCals will be competitive equity this year.
Streak, I agree totally on that league change. Only thing I can think of as to why the league move is the fact that St Joe doesn’t have football and there is no way for them to squeeze football facilities onto their tiny campus. The TCAL May have said something like “play football or find another league” (totally my guess, no evidence).
So here they are, a d4 and occasionally open powerhouse, mopping up the court with d5 opponents.
So here they are, a d4 and occasionally open powerhouse, mopping up the court with d5 opponents.
TCAL doesn't have a football requirement. St Joe's admin decided to make the move, but from what I hear the basketball program wanted to stay in the TCAL
I thought the TCAL-Rock a few years back was real good with Salesian, St. Joes, El Cerrito and St. Pats. EBAL has had its moments with DLS, Monte Vista, SRV and the addition of Dublin.
Things can go in cycles in terms of leagues.
I wonder though when more teams will go independent and pick and choose who they play from their previously assigned league. Probably a lot of issues to make that happen, but it would eliminate some of the 80-30 games we see every year.
Things can go in cycles in terms of leagues.
I wonder though when more teams will go independent and pick and choose who they play from their previously assigned league. Probably a lot of issues to make that happen, but it would eliminate some of the 80-30 games we see every year.
SmoothJay, I have to give a small chuckle to that.
Up here in the North Section, some teams travel 2 plus hours, sometimes in snow storms, to get to games. You can't convince me teams down in the Bay area couldn't make it work.
Here's wishing you great hoops.
Have you driven in the Bay Area lately?!? It takes 2+ hours from the East Bay to the City or South Bay! Lol!
Back when I was in high school (sometime near the time they invented the wheel), I went to a tiny private school (Regular Baptist HS, which is now Berean Christian HS). The school was in Martinez, and we had home-and-home league games vs. Monte Vista Christian in Watsonville. 2.5-hour bus-ride each way (on a good day traffic-wise and bus dependability-wise)
Other schools in our league were mostly in/near San Jose or Fremont, but there was one in El Sobrante (long since gone) and one in Scotts Valley (also gone, I think). Of course, these were in all sports and the schools were so small that many or most athletes played at least two sports seasons. Lots of bus riding! I didn't play, but I rode a lot with school newspaper and/or as a fan... MANY bus rides!
Interestingly, because our league was geographically centered in San Jose, when we made playoffs we had to play in the CCS despite the fact our school was in Martinez. And in hoops there was one division back then, so we'd get to be first-round cannon fodder for whomever the #1 seed in CCS was... At their place.
Oh, and for me it was a ten-mile walk to school, uphill both ways. (Okay, I was kidding on that last one... I never walked the ten miles.)
Other schools in our league were mostly in/near San Jose or Fremont, but there was one in El Sobrante (long since gone) and one in Scotts Valley (also gone, I think). Of course, these were in all sports and the schools were so small that many or most athletes played at least two sports seasons. Lots of bus riding! I didn't play, but I rode a lot with school newspaper and/or as a fan... MANY bus rides!
Interestingly, because our league was geographically centered in San Jose, when we made playoffs we had to play in the CCS despite the fact our school was in Martinez. And in hoops there was one division back then, so we'd get to be first-round cannon fodder for whomever the #1 seed in CCS was... At their place.
Oh, and for me it was a ten-mile walk to school, uphill both ways. (Okay, I was kidding on that last one... I never walked the ten miles.)
I remember my junior year the RBHS Eagles flew into the CCS playoff with a record of something like 25-0 but hadn't played anyone except other tiny schools. We'd had like three close games, all the rest were total blowouts... I think that was the year we won a game 122-22. And we won many by 50 points or more... Sounds kinda boring now, but back then I didn't know much basketball other than the Eagles, and was in classes with most of the hoopsters at least once or twice a day, so it was fun as heck to watch my buddies kick opponents up and down the court. 
So, we ran face-first into Los Altos, who had something like half-a-dozen guys ranging from 6-7 to 6-9... Heck, I think their waterboy was 6-3... Our tallest guy was 6-5 and towered over most of our roster. We played it at some college over there, maybe Foothill in Los Altos... And traffic (yes, even back in the Dark Ages there was traffic) held us up. Fortunately, the team had gone earlier in cars so *they* were on time for the tip... Our busload walked in in the middle of the first quarter, and the score was already something like 18-4, with the bad guys leading... Boy, did *that* put a damper on our spirits... We watched as Los Altos dismantled us, bigtime.
Just now found the score at the CCS website, it was 76-48. BTW, Los Altos lost in the next playoff round to eventual 2nd-place finisher Woodside, who would smack RBHS in the first round the FOLLOWING year.
So, we ran face-first into Los Altos, who had something like half-a-dozen guys ranging from 6-7 to 6-9... Heck, I think their waterboy was 6-3... Our tallest guy was 6-5 and towered over most of our roster. We played it at some college over there, maybe Foothill in Los Altos... And traffic (yes, even back in the Dark Ages there was traffic) held us up. Fortunately, the team had gone earlier in cars so *they* were on time for the tip... Our busload walked in in the middle of the first quarter, and the score was already something like 18-4, with the bad guys leading... Boy, did *that* put a damper on our spirits... We watched as Los Altos dismantled us, bigtime.
Just now found the score at the CCS website, it was 76-48. BTW, Los Altos lost in the next playoff round to eventual 2nd-place finisher Woodside, who would smack RBHS in the first round the FOLLOWING year.
Okay, now I'm on a roll...
I decided to take a look at that little league's history... According to the CCS website, the CSL (Christian Schools League) started playing in the CCS Playoffs in 1972. Our champ would get whacked badly in the first round every year until Berean Christian (starring Maurice Carr) finally took a first-round game in 1981 over Westmont, at their place. (Berean being my school and all that, I was there). A couple days later, we were beaten by eventual CCS champ SI at Kezar (I was there, too).
I think that, if there had been five divisions, an Open and NorCal/SoCal similar to the way things are now, Berean would have gone all the way to the NorCal final before getting busted up by that great Ripon Christian team, the only small school we had lost to all year, back in November. Our regular six losses included those guys and Milpitas, and four larger Catholic schools. Ripon Chr. was the only one of those losses that was by more than five points or so (they beat us by about 20).
The next year, our archrival Fremont Christian (with 6-9 St. Mary's-bound Lloyd "The Landlord" Brown) got into the act, not only winning a first-rounder but going all the way to the semi-final, losing by one to eventual CCS champ Jefferson. This was the last year of the one-division format in CCS. I didn't look all that closely at the multi-division history from 1983 on, mostly because Berean would eventually leave that league behind and get into an NCS league where we belong. And I don't remember exactly when that was, amazingly... (Besides, starting after 1982's all-seniors team, the Eagles had a several-year-long period of being genuinely awful, and mean *really* awful, even for a tiny school...)
Well, there you have it... Proof that I am totally nuts for HS hoops... Or maybe that I'm just totally nuts.
I decided to take a look at that little league's history... According to the CCS website, the CSL (Christian Schools League) started playing in the CCS Playoffs in 1972. Our champ would get whacked badly in the first round every year until Berean Christian (starring Maurice Carr) finally took a first-round game in 1981 over Westmont, at their place. (Berean being my school and all that, I was there). A couple days later, we were beaten by eventual CCS champ SI at Kezar (I was there, too).
I think that, if there had been five divisions, an Open and NorCal/SoCal similar to the way things are now, Berean would have gone all the way to the NorCal final before getting busted up by that great Ripon Christian team, the only small school we had lost to all year, back in November. Our regular six losses included those guys and Milpitas, and four larger Catholic schools. Ripon Chr. was the only one of those losses that was by more than five points or so (they beat us by about 20).
The next year, our archrival Fremont Christian (with 6-9 St. Mary's-bound Lloyd "The Landlord" Brown) got into the act, not only winning a first-rounder but going all the way to the semi-final, losing by one to eventual CCS champ Jefferson. This was the last year of the one-division format in CCS. I didn't look all that closely at the multi-division history from 1983 on, mostly because Berean would eventually leave that league behind and get into an NCS league where we belong. And I don't remember exactly when that was, amazingly... (Besides, starting after 1982's all-seniors team, the Eagles had a several-year-long period of being genuinely awful, and mean *really* awful, even for a tiny school...)
Well, there you have it... Proof that I am totally nuts for HS hoops... Or maybe that I'm just totally nuts.
Didn't Berean Christian have another Big on that team? I saw that CCS Final that - Jeff vs Riordan at Maples. I was in grade school, but went with my older cousins as they were at Riordan at that time. 2 years befor that I saw Riordan take CCS led by Brett Crawford, Frank Avalos, Phill Kess and Alex Lopez. I miss Maples being the CCS Championship site.Okay, now I'm on a roll...
I decided to take a look at that little league's history... According to the CCS website, the CSL (Christian Schools League) started playing in the CCS Playoffs in 1972. Our champ would get whacked badly in the first round every year until Berean Christian (starring Maurice Carr) finally took a first-round game in 1981 over Westmont, at their place. (Berean being my school and all that, I was there). A couple days later, we were beaten by eventual CCS champ SI at Kezar (I was there, too).
I think that, if there had been five divisions, an Open and NorCal/SoCal similar to the way things are now, Berean would have gone all the way to the NorCal final before getting busted up by that great Ripon Christian team, the only small school we had lost to all year, back in November. Our regular six losses included those guys and Milpitas, and four larger Catholic schools. Ripon Chr. was the only one of those losses that was by more than five points or so (they beat us by about 20).
The next year, our archrival Fremont Christian (with 6-9 St. Mary's-bound Lloyd "The Landlord" Brown) got into the act, not only winning a first-rounder but going all the way to the semi-final, losing by one to eventual CCS champ Jefferson. This was the last year of the one-division format in CCS. I didn't look all that closely at the multi-division history from 1983 on, mostly because Berean would eventually leave that league behind and get into an NCS league where we belong. And I don't remember exactly when that was, amazingly... (Besides, starting after 1982's all-seniors team, the Eagles had a several-year-long period of being genuinely awful, and mean *really* awful, even for a tiny school...)
Well, there you have it... Proof that I am totally nuts for HS hoops... Or maybe that I'm just totally nuts.
Maurice Carr was a beast! Great memories. Good stuff Kiddman.
People don’t realize how hard it was to win a section title back in the day.
People don’t realize how hard it was to win a section title back in the day.
True. Up until late 70s/(maybe early 80s) only one division. And speaking for WCAL, only the champ went to sectionals. In an era when only Top 4 in league made playoffs. Now it is watered down too much.
I think that's the reason for the soft preseason schedules. Good preseason record but poor league record gets the school into the playoffs, For example, Riordan and SHC had 1 or 2 wins (i think they beat each other, but SHC did finish strong) in league last season and still made CCS playoffs.
Kiddman-
Remember the team I told you about at Gridley? I couldn't remember the name at the time?
Well, that team was Happy Camp and they played ST. Elizabeth from Oakland.
Go find happy camp on a map in the North Section. Better yet, you may have to use GPS. There is only one road in, no road out. They had a all day journey to that game.
I am still amazed where, and how, they found those kids to put together that team.
Here's wishing you great hoops
