Vanden seeded over MM
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Most likely the same one that put SHC in front of MM as the open selection. Of course I think rumor had it SHC requested to go and MM was not as eagerly chopping at the chance. I don't think seed placement really favors Vanden. I took a quick look and I though Vanden's side of the bracket was more challenging than MM. Plus I think both teams have a better chance in division 2 than in open so I'd be willing to bet neither are complaining.
Vanden has now won three consecutive Sac-Joaquin section titles and currently 19 straight games. I assume that's why the committee seeded them higher than MM.
For the record, Miramonte has won four straight section titles ...
But still interesting. My guess is that the wins over Elk Grove and Sacramento trumped the common opponent scores vs. Brea-Olinda (Miramonte by five, Vanden lost by 41). Vanden beat Campo too and with Christian Brothers coming on, that win might have been impressive too.
Obviously rather be at home, but a Vanden-Sacramento rematch could shake things up.
But still interesting. My guess is that the wins over Elk Grove and Sacramento trumped the common opponent scores vs. Brea-Olinda (Miramonte by five, Vanden lost by 41). Vanden beat Campo too and with Christian Brothers coming on, that win might have been impressive too.
Obviously rather be at home, but a Vanden-Sacramento rematch could shake things up.
The seeding placement most definitely doesn't favor Vanden. If I were MM I would be more than happy with my placement.
So MM would have to play championship game at Vanden? (If both were to make it obviously)
My bad you're right. Vanden got the #1 seed but the harder side of the bracket. That is what I meant to say. I was looking at so many different divisions at once and mistakenly didn't remember that division as well.
MM's toughest games may be Elk Grove and Valley Christian.
Vanden's toughest games may be Concord(16th seed) and Sac.
Then on the Southern part of the state Mater Dei and Millikan may end up representing them? Not sure, but MM, Sac, Vanden, Elk Grove, and Valley Christian all have a shot IMO.
MM 's coaching and returning player's experience and hunger may give them the best shot overall IMO. But they may get challenged because their not very tall or deep. If you can coach you can exploit their weaknesses. But most coaches don't do well game planning, scouting, and adjusting during games. Most play every team like they play every team, the same. And most don't critically look at their own team to improve weak areas in certain players and the team overall. So MM has a good chance to advance.
Bottom line is it pays to have friends in high places. LOL..... Best of luck to all the teams. May they have fun injury free games.
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Don't think it will be tough for either Vanden or MM to get to the finals this yr in D2.
I would love to believe it's an easy road, but Vanden has to get by Sacramento or St. Francis, and Miramonte has to handle either Elk Grove or Presentation, and assuming a win there, either Valley Christian or Modesto Christian.
As I look at it, though, I'm surprised Roseville is the eighth seed, though each of the eight losses is to a playoff team.
As I look at it, though, I'm surprised Roseville is the eighth seed, though each of the eight losses is to a playoff team.
Mater Dei in the South awaits also. That's a tough match-up with their size and depth. They looked good at the TOC in Dec.
Vanden has to be careful not to take Concord too lightly just because they are a 16 seed. And Sac will be tough too.
And I think if I were to narrow it down Sac will challenge Vanden, and Valley Christian will challenge MM.
I think Sac will be tougher for Vanden than Valley Christian will be for MM. But that's why they play the game. The game(s) will determine things better than anyone taking a guess.
True. And they may want a little pay back because last season I believe MM beat them rather easily. This season MM probably loss more than Mater Dei did with losing Sabrina, Howard, De La Santos, etc... But they both have to win a few games to both show up in the championship.
MD's powerhouse pivot suffered a bad leg injury and is out for the rest of the season. That's a huge blow.
There have not been many candid open discussions on this board. It is always jockeying, positioning, lobbying to either stay out or get a home game. Notice the silence on the subject now. The Open is the best of the best, no other division compares and that is a fact.
You are correct. The only thing which they probably should have done different is given Mitty a first round bye and sent SHC to D3.
I think Vanden (who I thought was a good team coming in this season) losing to Brea Olinda by about 40 while MM beat them was a bit of an obstacle for the selection committee. As far as I know Vanden was healthy and Blackshell-Fair played in the 40 point loss. And once the committee decided MM was not going to be included it was probably hard to justify selecting Vanden for the open instead of MM. I think it is questionable to select SHC over MM, but that was easier to sell than Vanden over MM IMO.
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Vanden will roll Concord quite easily I suspect and Valley Christian will be definitely be MM's toughest opponent before Vanden but it will still be a double digit victory IMHO.
I made it a point to highlight Concord not because I thought Concord would beat Vanden. But because I thought Concord being a 16th place team could get under estimated and possibly shock or surprise Vanden. Concord has a bit of size, decent guard play, and will give a good effort. And after Vanden got blown out by Brea Olinda I'm not sure what to expect. I will say Vanden has been on a roll since the blow out loss.
We thought it interesting that Vanden would have been the next to go Open ... or at least that's how it looks.
The blowout loss to Brea obscured the win over Campo and the wins over the 5 and 7 NorCal seeds in the SJS playoffs.
It's all good, though -- time to play.
The blowout loss to Brea obscured the win over Campo and the wins over the 5 and 7 NorCal seeds in the SJS playoffs.
It's all good, though -- time to play.
I did not know that, MM should have been the higher seed
MM definitely will not be complaining. They could have been headed to Mitty in 1st round of Open instead. =)
For sure, to Mitty for a first round possibly get blowout or Vanden for a Nor Cal possible state bid. I'd rather go to Vanden
Friends in high places... and maybe too much credit for playing Mitty close one time?? Or playing SHC within 10 twice?? I dont even know if relatively close losses count for anything.. But you are right
Strength of schedule matters: St. Francis had the second-toughest D2 schedule in the state, behind only Mitty. And though the SJS teams could make a case that they should be seeded fourth, CCS could claim that its best D2 team (in the bracket) deserves a top four seed -- and that might be part of it.
And lest we forget, not that long ago, Mitty would have been in D2 -- not D1.
And lest we forget, not that long ago, Mitty would have been in D2 -- not D1.
Oh there's no doubt that just being in the WCAL makes your schedule inherently strong from the get-go. It's probably the toughest league from top to bottom in norcal or the state. Every team is still playing and that says something. And apparently that tough schedule goes a long way for seeding, as we saw a winless pres team get a top seed and win D2 in ccs (obviously with the 3 best teams in the open, but still). And now St Francis, 1-8 vs anyone not named presentation is seeded directly behind Valley Christian, who beat them by double digits both times. So either Valley is an undervalued 3 or SF is an overvalued 4. Hell maybe both will come out of their own side. Should be interesting.
One team in the OPEN got hosed IMO... SHC.
They only finished 3rd in the CCS and then they got put against a league opponent whos already handled them easily on a few occasions. I guess there is always the chance SHC could catch Mitty napping as kids will do....but I don't think SHC will have enough ultimately.
How the largest section (SJS) didn't get at least 2 OPEN reps is ridiculous. Vanden has won 3 sections in a row. Isnt that type of dominance one of the reasons the OPEN was put into place?
Vanden or McClatchy should have been the 8 seed....IMO
They only finished 3rd in the CCS and then they got put against a league opponent whos already handled them easily on a few occasions. I guess there is always the chance SHC could catch Mitty napping as kids will do....but I don't think SHC will have enough ultimately.
How the largest section (SJS) didn't get at least 2 OPEN reps is ridiculous. Vanden has won 3 sections in a row. Isnt that type of dominance one of the reasons the OPEN was put into place?
Vanden or McClatchy should have been the 8 seed....IMO
Rumor has it that LyRyan Russell opted into the Open, though I have no idea if that is true.
I agree that McClatchy or Vanden belonged, but which NCS team do you take out? Once Salesian beat O'Dowd, to take O'Dowd you have to take Salesian. And if SHC wanted to go, that's three from CCS and four from NCS.
I agree that McClatchy or Vanden belonged, but which NCS team do you take out? Once Salesian beat O'Dowd, to take O'Dowd you have to take Salesian. And if SHC wanted to go, that's three from CCS and four from NCS.
Yes SHC unfortunately did get hosed, but not necessarily by being placed in the Open, but by having to play against Mitty in 1st round. Why would the committee have two league teams play each other in 1st round, that doesn't make sense to me. SHC has 8 losses, but all were against top Open teams (2 to Mitty, 2 to CN, 2 to SMC, Pine, CW). None of the teams in the Open obviously want to be 8th seed, but they have to pick someone. I can agree with you that Vanden could and probably should have been placed in Open with 3 straight section titles. They were obviously #9 with the committee's placement of them as #1 in D2 over Miramonte. I don't think McClatchy should have been 8 seed at all, only if they beat St Mary's in Section final. SHC beat them head to head and McClatchy hasn't really proved being Open worthy to me, not really enough significant wins on their schedule (Oakridge and Sac High twice, and Brookside Christian at home isn't enough to show me they are one of 8 best teams in NorCal).
I thought the Open was created to put the top teams in regardless to the number coming from a particular area. It would seem to me if you took SHC out Vanden, McClatchy, MM, and perhaps a few others on the fence would be the same thing SHC will end up being with no disrespect to them. There should be 6 teams selected. The top 1 and two seeds should get a bye. The only way 8 should be selected is if the 7th and 8th opt in. It's really not that complicated if the goal is to select the top 6 or 8.
Since the first round is usually filled with uneasiness, allowing the top two seeds a bye would make it easier for whatever team had to face the top seed, because they would be on a roll winning the first open game coming into the matchup. I bet SHC would feel better about their chances of facing the #1 seed if they rolled into the game with momentum from winning their first open game. I am by no means counting SHC out because I'm sure they can play with any team in the Open. But being able to beat the top seed in their gym in the 1st round game is not going to be easy.
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IF SHC WANTED to go, then the committee has the right 8 teams. Only team that Vanden could have replaced was SHC. the others all deserve to be there.
No more byes anymore for top seeds! Not sure if you noticed, but all the divisions are 16 team divisions now! This is a discussion for a new thread. Too many teams getting selected into NorCal, do not like that at all. On surface looks all about $$$ to CIF.
So true ! That is another reason why I have been pointing out the negative aspects of competition overall. From Nike, college, NBA,NFL, MLB, etc.... down to high school sports the money takes priority over providing the right values and principles. Things do get a bit dicey. We sell out integrity, morals, and values rather cheaply. Just attend just about any high school game and see how savage and out of control the games get. But these values and questionable sportsmanship is what we teach children before we send the potential bad attitude bullies out into the world. I guess they need to be prepared for what's out there. Smile. I do hope others will some day see the need to spend more time focusing proper values and on improvements over winning at all cost. And that is coming from a person who wants to win as much as anyone. But not at all cost.
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I agree its kinda screwy. But I guess since CN beat SHC they had no other choice? Unless they took someone else, which maybe they should have..
And how do we validate this rumor? I give them credit for wanting to be in open after winning last year, if it is true of course
