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WCAL fizzled in Norcal....Overated again

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They were given way too much credit coming in with the High seeds..
Bellermine #1
MITTY #3
Sacred Heart #4
Riordan #3

All banished in one night
Serra is playing well but wont have advantage of the Jungle. EC dismantled Mitty who played Serra tough all year..
 
BOD was seeded too low, IMO. Thought they should have been at least #4 seed in D3 NorCal. Mitty lost 2 players from last season in Much (transferred) and Kone (knee injury - early league play). #3 Riordan lost to #2 seed Manteca on the road in a close game - Stansberry and Jason Smith were not 100% with injuries. Bellarmine lost a close game to a good M-A squad. St. Francis also played Modesto Christian to the final minutes on the road...Not bad for a "down year". I can see getting blown out in the first round - but c'mon - overrated?
 
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ball of fame said:
They were given way too much credit coming in with the High seeds..
Bellermine #1
MITTY #3
Sacred Heart #4
Riordan #3

All banished in one night
Serra is playing well but wont have advantage of the Jungle. EC dismantled Mitty who played Serra tough all year..
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2nd seed EC beat 3rd seed Mitty; 2nd seed Manteca beat 3rd seed Riordan - how is that overrated? Sounds like the CIF got it right.
 
WCAL has good depth... most teams in the league are solid, but no they will not be winning Norcal/State in every division like all the other leagues that are doing that... wait...
 
jordan24 said:
BOD was seeded too low, IMO. Thought they should have been at least #4 seed in D3 NorCal. Mitty lost 2 players from last season in Much (transferred) and Kone (knee injury - early league play). #3 Riordan lost to #2 seed Manteca on the road in a close game - Stansberry and Jason Smith were not 100% with injuries. Bellarmine lost a close game to a good M-A squad. St. Francis also played Modesto Christian to the final minutes on the road...Not bad for a "down year". I can see getting blown out in the first round - but c'mon - overrated?
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Also SHC had the lead the majority of the game but lost to BOD in OT. SHC brings everyone back except one starter - they'll be a factor next year but may have to go through BOD again.....
 
ball of fame said:
They were given way too much credit coming in with the High seeds..
Bellermine #1
MITTY #3
Sacred Heart #4
Riordan #3

All banished in one night
Serra is playing well but wont have advantage of the Jungle. EC dismantled Mitty who played Serra tough all year..
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Bellermine #1
MITTY #3
Sacred Heart #4
Riordan #3

All made Nor Cal Final Four. 5 teams in Nor Cal Semis, with the exception of Bellermine, they were all seeded or rated correctly. Someone doesn't understand how seeds work!

Ball who's your team and league?
 
Hmmm, 5 teams from one league in the semi's? Seems like a pretty good showing to me. What other leagues advanced 5 teams?
 
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SF_Mikey said:
Also SHC had the lead the majority of the game but lost to BOD in OT. SHC brings everyone back except one starter - they'll be a factor next year but may have to go through BOD again.....
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With disciplined play the entire game, then it's BO'D who will have to go through SHC.
 
Except O'Dowd has a proven track record of disciplined play when it counts... I'd expect a wider margin for O'Dowd if they meet again next year.
 
More on Mitty....no excuses, way too many turnovers, but given the adversity, they played with heart. Lost Much to a transfer, Kone to a knee injury, Serra (last year's sixth man) out all season with an ankle injury, Nick LaBruna played with a separated shoulder all season that needed surgery, and Mike Scott played the last third of the season with a bulged disc. Lots of heart on that team to make it as far as they did.
 
Defender4212 said:
Except O'Dowd has a proven track record of disciplined play when it counts... I'd expect a wider margin for O'Dowd if they meet again next year.
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Sure Bishop O Dowd does have a record of great play. So does SHC when they play BOD, SHC is no stranger to BOD over the years until they had Rabb, we won it all against O'Dowd in 2012.
 
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ball of fame said:
They were given way too much credit coming in with the High seeds..
Bellermine #1
MITTY #3
Sacred Heart #4
Riordan #3

All banished in one night
Serra is playing well but wont have advantage of the Jungle. EC dismantled Mitty who played Serra tough all year..
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Who's your league and team Ball?
 
You probably won't know early on. O'Dowd will have a very strong preseason schedule again, and they might take some lumps. You'll know come league/playoffs. I trust the O'Dowd program to be better than SHC in the off season and during the year... They will be much better come playoffs next year.
 
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I kinda see both sides to this thread first I think all the WCAL teams represented themselves well this season and in the Norcals has to be considered this year one of the best leagues top to bottom with 5 legit teams but on the other Hand the question can be asked were some of the WCAL teams rated higher than they deserved to be?

As it has been said Mitty a team who lost 2 key players were they a legit 3 seed in Norcals?? Maybe/Maybe not but it is debatable no one would've been surprised if they were a 4 maybe 5 seed just saying.

Bellarmine a #1 seed Im not buying it maybe 3 or 4 seed maybe even a 2 tops.

Sacred Heart and Riordan I thought were seeded fairly both are solid not spectacular.

Serra another #1 seed we will see how they do against El Cerrito this weekend

In my opinion St.Francis was the real no doubt about it top dog who unfortunately ended up in the open.
 
"Unfortunately?" They were loaded. They were clearly an Open team. Serra may have been as well. The bad loss to Bells ended that possibility. There is no super team in NorCal boys this season.
 
Colhenry...I think they debate is whether some of Wcal teams werea seeded higher than they deserved to be and I think outside of St Francis the argument can be made that the others were seeded higher based soley on the league they play in as opposed to surveying the whole norcal field.......

  • Lets take Serra vs El Cerrito ..why does Serra get #1 seed and Ec get #2 seed..Serra does play in Wcal no easy games there but Ec has played a murderers row of a preseason schedule ,The Tcal is not the Wcal but the Tcal was no slouch this year with Salesian,St.Joes,St Pats all formidable norcal playoff teams, Ec is 2 year D2 section champs and they too meet qualifications of a open ( with 13 loses would they be selected) .What's the logic of Serra being the higher seed? Maybe it is the 13 loses but I think there is an argument either way
  • But this game will be settled on the court we will see
  • Regarding St Francis they were an open team but in that NorCal open field I don't think they beat any of those teams
 
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EC is one of the better (best?) 13 loss teams around. Their SOS just as tough as WCAL's, and without the league difficulty. Should be an interesting game.
 
Defender4212 said:
You probably won't know early on. O'Dowd will have a very strong preseason schedule again, and they might take some lumps. You'll know come league/playoffs. I trust the O'Dowd program to be better than SHC in the off season and during the year... They will be much better come playoffs next year.
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I meant how they play as the year progresses. For SHC everybody comes back except one player. There were some good lower-level players but no real big standouts. We'll see.
 
Irish_Cheers said:
I meant how they play as the year progresses. For SHC everybody comes back except one player. There were some good lower-level players but no real big standouts. We'll see.
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IC who you like regarding the lower level that you see some potential? The Frosh B's were good, the A's not very good, the Jv's didn't win very much either. Next year there will be 10 seniors that are juniors now. There are also 2 underclassman puppies now. There were 2 frosh on the Jv's, have you seen them play, or what is your analysis? It is scary to have one senior currently to 10 next year. Here is hoping a transfer comes or the class of 2020 has some big talent like Hollins.
 
Scott2138 said:
IC who you like regarding the lower level that you see some potential? The Frosh B's were good, the A's not very good, the Jv's didn't win very much either. Next year there will be 10 seniors that are juniors now. There are also 2 underclassman puppies now. There were 2 frosh on the Jv's, have you seen them play, or what is your analysis? It is scary to have one senior currently to 10 next year. Here is hoping a transfer comes or the class of 2020 has some big talent like Hollins.
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There's some talent but nobody that really stood out. We definitely need more Hollins types coming in.
 
Defender4212 said:
You probably won't know early on. O'Dowd will have a very strong preseason schedule again, and they might take some lumps. You'll know come league/playoffs. I trust the O'Dowd program to be better than SHC in the off season and during the year... They will be much better come playoffs next year.
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Don't know much about SH but do know O'Dowd was young as well and had only 2 seniors, 1 started but non-factor and other was 7 footer who played very little. The team was basically Frosh/Soph squad!! Shaw was a junior, couple other juniors played but not big impact. Will be interesting to see how they develop
 
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Sometimes it doesnt matter if you're #14 and the other team is #4. When they playoffs come aboard, it is who ever shows up to play will be declared the winner. I have seen this too many times.

By the way, Last time I was in Cali, Rufus and Sawyer whom I went to visit decided to introduce me to that Riordan's Tavern joint. While sitting at the bar some broad that looked to be like JLo keptah looking towards my unsunny area. For a minute I thought she was looking at my buff side. She looked, then looked, then looked even more. The closer she gots to me the weirder the human body looked. I said to myself "somethang dont bees looking right". The broad finally reached my bubble and there was three things that were different in that up close 5 feet distance and that was his voice, his laryngeal, and his masculine veins. Since then, I have never trusted Rufus nor Sawyer to take me to any Rordans eatery.
 
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NSBasketball said:
SweetVictory: When the playoffs come around everything changes. Some kids run to the bright lights, some kids run away!
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and then some buses show up and others dont, but then for the buses that do show up, some have to get warm early.

Basically what I am saying is what you just said but in different terms. There is so much talent in Northern Cali or should I say in Cali itself
 
Hey C'mon Irish - if you started this post would you respond any further after Serra's upset win today? NOT!! ;)
 
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Didn't take long after watching this game that Serra would ultimately take control of the game and close out with its first State title. AAU-style ball/ players vs a senior-laden, hustling, physical, fundamentally sound and prepared team. Congrats Padres! Welcome to the Club!
 
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