Best QB/WR combo in the NBL/SCL?

[bella123]

Yes, the NCS officials are not very good. There is no doubt about that. CN played in D2/D3 since the bowl games started nine years ago.

Central Catholic plays in D3. The SJS placed them in a D3 league up from D4 a couple of years after they became a power. CN has been a power since the 70's, there is no reason they should be moving down now.


Eureka and CN/MC are apples to oranges. You are reaching with that comparison. Eureka is a public school and their enrollment is just over 1100, so they are one of the smallest D3 schools there is. Their town has 30K in population so they get the kids they get. CN draws from all of Somoma County 550K and also gets some kids from Lake and Mendocino County. I don't have a problem with CN getting kids from everywhere, Cronin and his staff have earned it by building a strong program. My issue is that they know they have a competitive advantage against the real small schools such Willits, Lower Lake, St. Helena, etc, and they chose the weaker path because the NCS screwed up and gave them a window. It's kind of like the 15 yr old freshman who can still make weight so he plays youth football with the 7th and 8th graders instead of going out for the freshman/JV team with all the kids his own age.

Then I hear people say, well Justin Siena and St. Mary's play in D4, so why can't we. Although Justin and St. Marys are good D4 teams, they have never been at a level of CN and MC. They should look at moving up if they can continue to rise like they are. Justin has won a total of four NCS championships, and St Mary's two so there are public schools that have fared better in that division. CN and MC have always been powers in the D2 & D3.

I guess we agree to disagree. Maybe if CN raises their tuition some more they can drop their enrollment down to 499 kids so they can play D5 for playoffs with Potter Valley.

Fair points and I am not a Newman apologist (my kid goes to Carrillo) but I think the focus should be more on the NCS. Newman is placed in a division (D4) by the section, they play in that divisob and the blame gets put on them?

And yes I totally agree about the BS everyone gets a trophy mentality and I've heard the are a few Newman parents like that. I wouldn't cater to those dooshes, but I'd also realize as a private school you are a business. Succees raises the profile and gets butts in the
seats, hence enrollment rises.

Now if they drop to Potter Valleys level (they are playing 8 man ball) I'll be right out there with you on the picket line protesting carrying my BS sign!

 

[northbaybbguru]

CN and MC have been playing 'UP" since the STATE championships have been around because that was the only way they could have played for a state championship. They are NOT playing down now..they are where they should be in their proper divisions.
What I don't understand is why all this outrage over the FOOTBALL teams playing in D4???
SALESIAN & SMB have been absolutely DEMOLISHING teams in D4 in the BASKETBALL playoffs for years with nothing ever being said. Why the selective griping about CN?

 

[NorthBayHero]

CN and MC have been playing 'UP" since the STATE championships have been around because that was the only way they could have played for a state championship. They are NOT playing down now..they are where they should be in their proper divisions.
What I don't understand is why all this outrage over the FOOTBALL teams playing in D4???
SALESIAN & SMB have been absolutely DEMOLISHING teams in D4 in the BASKETBALL playoffs for years with nothing ever being said. Why the selective griping about CN?

Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should. Most other prominent private schools always play up, and they should. You don't go around town to always be the best, yet play down when you think you have a better chance at winning. Terrible message.

As for basketball...people have been calling out these schools you mentioned for years. Just because they do it, doesn't give you a "free pass" to do it as well.

 

[northbaybbguru]

CN and MC have been playing 'UP" since the STATE championships have been around because that was the only way they could have played for a state championship. They are NOT playing down now..they are where they should be in their proper divisions.
What I don't understand is why all this outrage over the FOOTBALL teams playing in D4???
SALESIAN & SMB have been absolutely DEMOLISHING teams in D4 in the BASKETBALL playoffs for years with nothing ever being said. Why the selective griping about CN?

Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should. Most other prominent private schools always play up, and they should. You don't go around town to always be the best, yet play down when you think you have a better chance at winning. Terrible message.

As for basketball...people have been calling out these schools you mentioned for years. Just because they do it, doesn't give you a "free pass" to do it as well.

ok.....what other prominent private schools are playing up???? I'd like some names please.

I know SI plays D3 in football....NOT up.
Bishop Odowd is D3 also.
Central catholic out of the CCS is FORCED to play D3 by their section because they have won 3 straight D4 section titles.
I don't know of ANYBODY playing up.....if they don't have to...I could be wrong....names please???

 

[NorthBayHero]

So when I name them all, will you admit to me that it's wrong?

 

[northbaybbguru]

Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should. Most other prominent private schools always play up, and they should. You don't go around town to always be the best, yet play down when you think you have a better chance at winning. Terrible message.

As for basketball...people have been calling out these schools you mentioned for years. Just because they do it, doesn't give you a "free pass" to do it as well.

the RULES give CN the "free pass" to do it.

 

[NorthBayHero]

the RULES give CN the "free pass" to do it.

Loopholes do not make anything right. At a school like CN, which preaches integrity and honesty, I would expect more. Pretty said since I wanted to see Brookshire go up against Campo.

 

[northbaybbguru]

Hero...

I'm heading out to the CN/Monty game now.....

I look forward to reading the many names of the prominent private schools who are playing up when I get home later tonight.

In fact, lets narrow the search down and make it easier for you to find those schools.

Lets keep it to PROMINANT PRIVATE NOR CAL teams only...I don't know enough about the southern section rules to know why a team might play up.

and while you are at it....PLEASE make a list of all the PROMINANT PRIVATE Nor Cal D4 teams who are playing up this year....just curious.

And remember...any teams who are being forced by their sections to play up....aren't eligible.....so CENTRAL CATHOLIC doesn't count.

good luck with your search......

 

[NorthBayHero]

Hero...

I'm heading out to the CN/Monty game now.....

I look forward to reading the many names of the prominent private schools who are playing up when I get home later tonight.

In fact, lets narrow the search down and make it easier for you to find those schools.

Lets keep it to PROMINANT PRIVATE NOR CAL teams only...I don't know enough about the southern section rules to know why a team might play up.

and while you are at it....PLEASE make a list of all the PROMINANT PRIVATE Nor Cal D4 teams who are playing up this year....just curious.

And remember...any teams who are being forced by their sections to play up....aren't eligible.....so CENTRAL CATHOLIC doesn't count.

good luck with your search......

A little paranoid are we? You answered your own question.

 

[1tunz1]

CN or MC if they win D4 will play in the Open Small school game, if they won D3 they would be playing for the small school open game, so why not play in your enrollment at this point?

yup. I was thinking same thing. And they'll probably draw Central Catholic, unless there's some eligible schools from the CCS who are better.

 

[larry legend33]

What's going on with Monty? 47-3 Newman Final. Ouch. That use to be such a great rivalry game.

 

[bella123]

Montys coaching is horrible.

 

[1tunz1]

I can't totally disagree, but here blame lies on the CIF and NCS. All those years that CN and MC played for a 2A and 3A title going to back your 20 years how many SBG were they eligible for in the time?

The ghey 13 bowl game layout is what spurred this. Nothing more nothing less. If it is their goal to play in a SBG what path should they take? It's been laid out with the 13 division "winners". Central Cath has done similar in the past. Do I personally like it, no? But are they playing fair and within the rules, yes!

And where is the outrage with Eureka??? They have had NCS success at a higher level in the past and yet they are playing in the division they are slotted, yet not one peep they somehow get a pass, very selective criticism?

What about Rancho? They have played D2 for so many years and had great games in the playoffs, e.g. Concord. They elect to play D3 now, and according to 3yards...it must be because they want to avoid Clayton Valley. Double standards going on with his grievance against CN. Shoot, some of this years' D3 playoff teams will be from the NBL, and are teams CN already beat. Avoid Campo? CN would probably beat Campo this year, and who else will be in D3? The only difference, really, is swapping Campo for MC. There were never any competitive games in D3 until the semi's, and many years, until the finals. D2? D2 has been weaker than D3 until CVC's recent rise to powerdom. D4 won't be much different than D3, i.e. no competition until the semi's. And with MC in D4 too, it's competitive. It will also add higher profile games for the Justin Sienna's, St. Helena- like teams.

 

[1tunz1]

Most other prominent private schools always play up, and they should.

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That's an uninformed statement. Name some prominent private schools that voluntarily move up, in all of California. I can think of only 2, CN and MC. Palma plays in the CCS open, but that's not voluntary. Central Catholic plays up, but they're now forced to due to SJS competitive rules, but they didn't until forced to. I'm not sure the Southern Section allows it.

 

[larry legend33]

Its payback for when we use to get stuck in 3A with DLS, Pitt, MV, and the rest of the bunch. You talk about unfair. Basically if you want to go to state eventually you are going to have to beat really, really good teams.

 

[TMJA]

What about Rancho? They have played D2 for so many years and had great games in the playoffs, e.g. Concord. They elect to play D3 now, and according to 3yards...it must be because they want to avoid Clayton Valley. Double standards going on with his grievance against CN. Shoot, some of this years' D3 playoff teams will be from the NBL, and are teams CN already beat. Avoid Campo? CN would probably beat Campo this year, and who else will be in D3? The only difference, really, is swapping Campo for MC. There were never any competitive games in D3 until the semi's, and many years, until the finals. D2? D2 has been weaker than D3 until CVC's recent rise to powerdom. D4 won't be much different than D3, i.e. no competition until the semi's. And with MC in D4 too, it's competitive. It will also add higher profile games for the Justin Sienna's, St. Helena- like teams.

MC lost to Justin Sienna last year. It looks like JS & SM teams are capable and make it more competitive. Don't lose respect for Piedmont & Moreau Catholic who are having great seasons as well. Eastbay teams are generally tough.

 

[TMJA]

The bball coach had some choice words for the football coach in the paper. Rumor has it he lost his second best player and his 7-8 man to football injuries and he was livid. Basically blames the football coaches for the injuries. Should be interesting how it goes down. Cronin is a well respected football coach and Bonfigli hae over 700 wins as a bball coach. Clash of the Titans.

That stuff needs to stay in house. They should have a policy in place. The comments in the paper are not ok. Shows things spilling over, bball coach should be reprimanded. Most coaches have it tough enough, why make it tougher. Split athletes, just do it in house. I am sure this will put more pressure on other bball players now.

 

[1tunz1]

MC lost to Justin Sienna last year. It looks like JS & SM teams are capable and make it more competitive. Don't lose respect for Piedmont & Moreau Catholic who are having great seasons as well. Eastbay teams are generally tough.

Yes, I suppose I am overlooking the stronger D4 teams, but it's mostly out of unfamiliarity. No disrespect, although it sounds like it from my previous post. If I remember correctly, the JS win over MC was due to the fact most of the MC starters were suspended for that game. We'll see how it goes. Moreau Catholic looks to be having a strong year, with the exception of their loss to American.

 

[1tunz1]

That stuff needs to stay in house. They should have a policy in place. The comments in the paper are not ok. Shows things spilling over, bball coach should be reprimanded. Most coaches have it tough enough, why make it tougher. Split athletes, just do it in house. I am sure this will put more pressure on other bball players now.

It's simple. Bonfigli (bb coach) was out of line. The player has the ultimate choice of what sports to play. It's not remotely Coach Cronin's fault player was injured. It's unfortunate for all parties, but for Bonfigli to blame Cronin is just stupid. He should make a public apology for his inappropriate public comments. I am surprised Principal Rutherford and the new CN President tolerate this sort of public coaching behavior. It's devisive, and makes a negative impression of CN sports programs.

 

[MC415]

MC lost to Justin Sienna last year. It looks like JS & SM teams are capable and make it more competitive. Don't lose respect for Piedmont & Moreau Catholic who are having great seasons as well. Eastbay teams are generally tough.

Uh MC had 11 players suspended a couple of days before a Thursday night game, and MC still held JS to 3 points with 9 starters suspended

 

[northbaybbguru]

That's an uninformed statement. Name some prominent private schools that voluntarily move up, in all of California. I can think of only 2, CN and MC. Palma plays in the CCS open, but that's not voluntary. Central Catholic plays up, but they're now forced to due to SJS competitive rules, but they didn't until forced to. I'm not sure the Southern Section allows it.

thank you TUNZ for proving my point with HERO....there are NO prominent private schools playing up that I can think of either. I see HERO hasn't come with that list he promised. Probably because there is no list...lol.......its too bad for HERO that those darn facts keep getting in the way of his CN hate/propaganda.

 

[larry legend33]

I'm looking forward to a newman vs MC game. Last meeting I think was that awesome game over in San Anselmo with Goff vs. Dunsford. Newman jumped out early but it was all MC after that. I think Scooby got hurt that game.

 

[bella123]

I'm looking forward to a newman vs MC game. Last meeting I think was that awesome game over in San Anselmo with Goff vs. Dunsford. Newman jumped out early but it was all MC after that. I think Scooby got hurt that game.

Exactly right LL. That was a good match up, Scooby went out toward the end of the first half and didn't return. Can't say it changed the outcome though because Goff was dropping dimes all game, but you always wonder.

 

[larry legend33]

Bella- Goff was (is) special. He had a cannon. Is Dunsford playing in Ivy league somewhere? I recall him being a very good HS QB with great size. Was a late bloomer.

 

[MC415]

Was Dunsford the one who went to prep school after CN?

 

[bella123]

Was Dunsford the one who went to prep school after CN?

Yes and he was committed to Princeton, but was just talking to someone the other day and they said he was at Cal?

 

[Loneballcoach]

What's the enrollment of CN and MC? I don't understand why anyone would care that they both are playing D4. It will be nice to see one of them beat the crap out of Ft Bragg. What kind of coach still throws td's up 60-0???

 

[Loneballcoach]

What's the enrollment of CN and MC? I don't understand why anyone would care that they both are playing D4. It will be nice to see one of them beat the crap out of Ft Bragg. What kind of coach still throws td's up 60-0???

 

[slick58]

What's the enrollment of CN and MC? I don't understand why anyone would care that they both are playing D4. It will be nice to see one of them beat the crap out of Ft Bragg. What kind of coach still throws td's up 60-0???

Folsom.

 

[MC415]

What's the enrollment of CN and MC? I don't understand why anyone would care that they both are playing D4. It will be nice to see one of them beat the crap out of Ft Bragg. What kind of coach still throws td's up 60-0???

CN is a little over 600 and MC is like 715

 

[1tunz1]

What's the enrollment of CN and MC? I don't understand why anyone would care that they both are playing D4. It will be nice to see one of them beat the crap out of Ft Bragg. What kind of coach still throws td's up 60-0???

g61 is going crazy with all these new handles this weekend.

 

[1tunz1]

Folsom.

Haha. You recognized G61 immediately! Nicely done. He's been board- psycho ever since his identity was exposed last week.

 

[slick58]

Haha. You recognized G61 immediately! Nicely done. He's been board- psycho ever since his identity was exposed last week.

Had to cast the line out there. See if we got any bites.

 

[larry legend33]

Dunsford can definitely play Pac 12. He did very well at some of those high profile camps after having a great career at Newman, and he's a legit 6"5 220. Hope he finds a good home. I think academically he was off the chart so that isn't an issue.

So did G61 get exposed?

 

[Loneballcoach]

Then basically CN and MC actually belong in D4. From what I understand "Athletes" don't go to CN, their coaching staff turns kids into decent athletes by the time they are juniors and seniors. Dunsford is definitely PAC 12 material, the knock on him was that he was not mobile.

 

[larry legend33]

There are athletes that go to Newman and students as well. No different than any other school. I think some kids are just gritty and good HS athletes that newman gets the most out of. Disciplined program. Monty's hoop program is similar. Mix a few college kids every year and a bunch of good HS players along with great coaching. Its a proven recipe.

Dunsford will never be mobile at least in terms of a legit running threat but his arm and IQ are big time.

 

[Quaffer]

Then basically CN and MC actually belong in D4. From what I understand "Athletes" don't go to CN, their coaching staff turns kids into decent athletes by the time they are juniors and seniors. Dunsford is definitely PAC 12 material, the knock on him was that he was not mobile.

That may be true of some players, and the coaching is definitely first rate, but I saw plenty of Wallace, Brookshire, and Rubattino at the middle school level and in some cases below, and those kids were all born studs.

 

[Loneballcoach]

I agree on both accounts... Dunsford's arm is big time D1 material and I heard he was a 4.5 GPA kid. Wallace, Brookshire, and Rubattino may be the exception to my last statement. lol. I also wish that CN and MC would have stayed in D3 but I do understand them playing in their proper division. I wonder how good would they be if Rubattino was healthy, hmmm. I think MC is top notch and is gonna be a extremely difficult game for CN, I can't wait.

I also just heard that Brookshire is playing bball again this year. I saw him play as a freshman on JV so I'm interested to see what CN does against Monty and Windsor, who has the best bball team in the NBL/SCL.

 

[GS_1738]

That may be true of some players, and the coaching is definitely first rate, but I saw plenty of Wallace, Brookshire, and Rubattino at the middle school level and in some cases below, and those kids were all born studs.

Didnt get a chance to see much of Rubattino before high school but i know he played with his uncleTravis Taylors AAU team Express. Wallace and Brookshire played for him as well. Been watching Wallace do things a kid his size shouldn't be doing on a basketball court since 3rd grade. If Brookshire plays along with Wallace, Rubattino (contingent on him coming back close to 100%, and Baker hopefylly healed up from his injury, they should do quite well this year.

 

[larry legend33]

GS1738- Agree on all accounts. If Newman is able to get Rubattino back they are the team to beat this year in the NBL (again). Monty lost just about everyone last year. (Septimo and Paulson). Bonfilgli always has them playing hard and good D so they are in every game anyhow. Funny because I think Marin Catholic might be the team to beat again in D4 (hoops).