BIG Folsom, BIG Folsom, BIG Folsom
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When you think about this game Folsom should have lost, coaching or lack there of cost CVC. It’s also a little ironic both these programs seem to employ the same strategy when it comes to scheduling.
The whole “Public School with a limited Athletic Budget” Excuse went out the Window with PITT traveling to Corona Centennial In Back to Back years with no help from CC except their portion of the Gate....
PITT, a public school, had a Schedule of ST Mary’s, SERRA and Corona Centennial with a playoff Bracket where you have to Beat DLS to win last year....
ST. Mary’s is playing PITT, Mission Viejo And DLS.... St Mary’s is a Far less talented then Folsom....
You Folsom guys want all this Credit for Folsom scheduling DLS yet other teams with Far less Talent then Folsom, in far less affluent areas the Folsom, Schedule DLS Plus Other top regional teams.... Even the Public’s....
And Folsom has DLS, MA (D3 Team) Antelope, Jesuit and a SFL league that they haven’t lost to in 40+ games and probly have lost like 4 league games in the last 10 years????.... 7 Section Titles???....
Let’s be real here.... Folsom has no problem doing a go fund me to raise money to go play an overmatched SD team in the SBG because of “The Incredible Community Support”......
So wouldn’t that same Community want to support their team to go to “The Real CC” and prove on the field that they are the #1 Public HSFB team in CA?... And Bring home that title to Nor Cal????....
The time for “Public School” Excuses is over.... You are the Dominate team in your Section by a mile....
Go play CC and stop embarrassing Nor Cal with your Schedule... we are all tired of it....
If Monterey trails I believe went to so cal last year Whitney went to so cal also. No excuses if grant of all schools can travel to Washington I’m sure Folsom can travel too. We all know why they won’t schedule harder. If dls doesn’t lose I’m not cal then they’ll never have to face a so cal power team because they eliminate each other in the play offs. Then they’ll get to face a team from San Diego that’ll suit their talent level. They enjoy putting together a private school like roster and beat up on the more slower less athletic sfl teams then maybe facing a maybe as talented st Mary’s team. If our best team in Sacramento is scared to challenge other great teams it doesn’t look good for nor cal dls shouldnt be the only team taking on great teams. This is why nor cal needs grant to get back their mojo.
@forgotemail, Whitney went to Lancaster to play Paraclete last year. Monterey Trail travels to SoCal for a Sept. 27th game against Paraclete this season.
You are right. It can be done by public schools located in differing areas of affluence.
You are right. It can be done by public schools located in differing areas of affluence.
Dont forvet folsom went to LA last year to play at Chaminade and has gone to SD to play CC...I know they played Coeur D Alene twicw but not sure if they travelled....while I do agree scheduling needs to be better..we really have no idea what goes on..so rather than be nasty and hate on folsom because your team isnt as good...appreciate what they have done..we can all agree they can schedule better but we dont have all the facts
Also someone made a comment i think on this board that 2018 was their best team...not even close...2014 was when the crushed a great grant team and annihilated a oceanside team that was probably on par with the cc team folsom barely beat last year....i think in order of greatest folsom teams...2014 2010 2018 2017
Also someone made a comment i think on this board that 2018 was their best team...not even close...2014 was when the crushed a great grant team and annihilated a oceanside team that was probably on par with the cc team folsom barely beat last year....i think in order of greatest folsom teams...2014 2010 2018 2017
Coeur D’ Alene came to Folsom and not on the same level.
Chaminade, rated lower.
CC was cause they had to play them because of Bowl Game not because they scheduled them.
DO beat CC two years ago. Game was not that close.
Chaminade, rated lower.
CC was cause they had to play them because of Bowl Game not because they scheduled them.
DO beat CC two years ago. Game was not that close.
Can you answer me this....
What is Impressive about Folsom Scheduling a 4-7 Chaminade team when PITT plays “The Real CC” 2 years in a row ON THE ROAD?.... How is this some great scheduling accomplishment?....
Why should Folsom get Credit for Scheduling some Idaho team that is is equal to D4 and Below in CA?....
Why do you Folsom fans act like traveling to So cal for the SBG you are playing for is some
Sort of “Voluntarily” Scheduled game you elected to play?.... Its a Playoff game, are you not supposed to do that?....
As far as which Folsom Team is the best.... It is 2018 by a mile.... Back to Back State Champs, more talent, a mobile QB with incredible passing and running numbers, and Both Helix and “The Other CC” were much better talent wise then that Oceanside team....
Plus you have the DLS Factor.... Browning’s teams had their doors Blown off and nothing was changing the next year so Folsom Rule was put in effect to make sure the 2014 Folsom team would avoid DLS and play in a bowl game....
Bennett’s Team willingly went on the road in week 0 to play DLS and lost only 14-0....
I have them 2018-17... 2010.... 2014... 2015.... 2012 and 13....
Completely agree with you. Also pretty much agree on the order you've got there. 2017 v. 2018 is a bit of a toss up for me, so I could be swayed either way. But 2014 and 2010 were the top two, by a decent margin IMO.
Not exactly true. Folsom did schedule Cathedral and played them down in SD back in 2014. They won that game by 45 over a team that went 10-2 and lost in the SD Open Semi's.
The 2nd time they faced off was this past December in the Bowl game, as you mentioned.
Well, to be fair again, that was a CC team that finished 5-7 yet the game against DO was 12-6 at the half and 19-12 heading to the 4th quarter. Not exactly a blowout.
Agree with most your points. And to be clear, scheduling Centennial is far more daunting and daring than scheduling Chaminade. No doubt about that.
But Chaminade wasn't some scrub team. Don't let the 4-7 record fool you. They were/are a respectable program. Most every NorCal program not named Folsom or DLS would find it difficult to beat them.
Just look at the losses they had last year.
2 losses to 12-1 Oak Christian, whose only loss was to St. John Bosco.
1 loss to 14-1 Folsom, whose only loss was to DLS
1 loss to 13-1 St. John Bosco, whose only loss was to Mater Dei (whom they spilt 2 games with)
1 loss to 9-2 Bishop Amat, whose 2 losses were to JSerra and Mission Viejo
1 loss to 7-5 Alemany
1 loss to 9-4 Notre Dame
I don't believe there were many teams in NorCal that would have managed that schedule a whole lot better than Chaminade did. Most of the top 10 here in the SJS would have surely lost, at minimum, 4 of those games and quite possibly just as many as Chaminade did.
Be fair, I never stated it was a blowout, DO was the better team throughout the game and that was a poor DO team by recent standards.
But I think you may have missed my point. It’s no great feat of scheduling to play CC for team as loaded as Folsom, even if you want to go back to 2014 and give them credit, when a team you regularly beat by a wide margin scheduled them after they (CC) won a state bowl game and beat them with no great effort with a weakened team themselves......CC is not at Folsom’s level no matter what is said.
And since we’re being pedantic it doesn’t matter what their eventual records were when we are retroactively comparing scheduling because you don’t know before going into the season, when you scheduled them, where exactly they will end up at the end of that season and how good they will eventually be, with real accuracy, unless they’d shown a history of not being up to par recently and even then teams can surprise.
Folsom won’t schedule tough teams, even the DLS game was because of DO, not because Folsom showed initiative.
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You are a tremendous poster on these boards with incredible knowledge.... I would like to put this “Chaminade” argument to bed once and for all....
Chaminade won I think D2 in 2013 beating Enterprise... Since then they were 29-15 in the years leading up to Folsom which is like a 7-4 record... Counting last year, 6-5....
This included Back to Back playoff games against “The Real CC” where CC put up 62 and 70 points on them.... In 2017 Chaminade was 9-2 (First Round Playoff Loss to OLU) with a 31-17 loss to SJB as their “Signature” game and lost all their starters but 3 to graduation...
So Folsom Chose to take their Defending D-1AA Champion team with 17 returning starters to So Cal to play the “7-4” team that lost all but 3 Starters....
You are too smart a poster to justify a 7 loss team as being some kind of “Great Opponent” because of 7 losses to “good” teams....
If a team plays 11 games and loses 7 of them to “Good Teams” they are not a “Good Team”.... You fail to mention that JSerra was 5-6 and beat them by 17, 7-5 Alamany beat them by 17 and 9-4 ND beat them by 28....
Serra was a 1st round playoff loser 49-0 to SJB, and Alamany and ND were both in the Lower division D2 Playoffs, not even Open Level Teams and neither even made the semifinals....
The justification of Chaminade as a “Great Opponent” is just ridiculous.... They were defiantly a “scrub” getting blown out by 17 and 28 to lower level teams and they were the worst Chaminade team in the last 4 years of teams that averaged a 7-4 record....
To me all it looks like is Richardson protecting his record and rankings by playing a So Cal Team where he knew he would get a W....
The Facts and the Numbers say that Folsom’s scheduling of Chaminde was a complete Joke and a Farce....
Again, In have mad respect for your HSFB knowledge and enjoy reading your posts here and on the National Board, you bring a lot to the table!!!!.....
Great post! Totally agree with everything you said here. And I was the poster that insinuated Folsom should schedule Chaminade because they were becoming a SS power. Little did I know Chaminade would be down the year they played. But even if they were on par talent wise with their past teams I still believe Folsom would have beaten them. It was just a game to get Folsom's feet in the door to play up to their potential not their competition. This game should have led them to schedule a team like Mission Veijo, Oaks Christian, Narbonne, Bishop Amat, JSerra and even Cen10.
*This is what I believe Foslom's 2019 schedule should have resembled.
JSerra (away)
Mission Veijo (home)
Narbonne (home)
DLS (home)
2020
JSerra (home)
Mission Veijo (away)
Narbonne (away)
Cen10 (home)
Folsom is a national brand now and they should play a national schedule.
I would like to make one, very general, argument in favor of NOT having a public school playing a national caliber schedule at the high school level: Travel that pulls students from class.
Away games that require dozens of students to potentially miss multiple days of school for each game should be limited. Even if the game requires missing just one day of classes, those should be limited as much as possible.
Obviously, in a Section as geographically large as the SJS, teams have to routinely miss afternoon classes just to play within the Section. For Sacramento area teams, many Bay Area teams are closer to them than SJS teams in the southern part of the Section, so those schools are reasonable opponents. However, it is still advisable to play a schedule in a manner that minimally disrupts class time whenever possible. If that means limiting or bypassing some of the higher profile match-ups, so be it.
Away games that require dozens of students to potentially miss multiple days of school for each game should be limited. Even if the game requires missing just one day of classes, those should be limited as much as possible.
Obviously, in a Section as geographically large as the SJS, teams have to routinely miss afternoon classes just to play within the Section. For Sacramento area teams, many Bay Area teams are closer to them than SJS teams in the southern part of the Section, so those schools are reasonable opponents. However, it is still advisable to play a schedule in a manner that minimally disrupts class time whenever possible. If that means limiting or bypassing some of the higher profile match-ups, so be it.
I would love to start seeing some WCAL vs SFL games in the near future. I mean how good would Del Oro vs St.Francis be , or Folsom vs Serra, Granite Bay vs. Valley Christian. Would love to go to these games. They need to make that happen.
Great point MT. Another factor with having players miss school would be financial. I believe a part of the public school funding is based on the morning attendance sheets. A varsity team of 50 missing school for 2 days could hurt their school budget as our public schools grasp for every dollar they can.
On the flip side how often do some of these public school kids get an opportunity to travel our country and get out of their hometown bubbles. I think it is a great experience for the kids. And if the schools are smart they can tie in academics to the trip. I remember teams going to play in Hawaii and visiting pearl harbor and taking tours of the airbase. As well as teams coming to play in sac and visiting the state capitol. Sports is an engine that gives kids opportunities to do things they have never done. Traveling across country to play a game is a great experience and I would put it above 1-2 days of school.
Very true. But maybe not three or four times in a season. Once a season, or maybe every other season might suffice. That's all I was saying.
Couldn't make an argument against any of your points. I was also was lucky enough to reap the benefits of trips like this.
How bored is everyone to be having the SAME EXACT thread year after year?? Good lord people.
Folsom hasn’t played a game this season, and from what I can see, I also don’t see the usual suspects on here bragging about “we’re better than DLS”, or “blah blah blah...we are the best”. Richardson is gone, as is 90% of the staff (From what I know). And yet here we are...the same posters coming on and bashing this program.
Do we ALL wish FOLSOM played a tougher schedule? YEP! Do they play a tough Non League schedule? NOPE. seriously, it really seems like everyone agrees to these basic points, yet the Folsom bashing is non-stop.
Maybe I’m just a little tired of reading grown men (assumption...maybe there are some gals on here), writing the same posts they wrote for the past 3 years. Seriously....arguing whether Chaminade (or CC, or Helxi, or ____) was a quality opponent? YAWN. Or how Folsom avoided scheduling (Fill in the blank So Cal team) . UGH. Or how after years of being piled on for avoiding DLS, Folsom finally schedules them . But now posters don’t even give them that credit, because it took “other teams adjusting their schedule to make it happen”. REALLY...SEEMS PETTY. Now we got people stating what they personally think Folsom’s non-League schedule should look like? SMH
I realize Folsom is pretty easy to dislike because of a particular poster from the past 4-5 years, mixed in with a few others, and some stat-padding decisions made by coaches in some games. But man, the hate is deep on this board. It reminds me of the hatred towards DLS on this board from 7-8 years ago and the famous “They have an unfair advantage, they recruit, blah blah blah”. Either way, it’s tired IMHO.
It’s just my “two cents”, but I’m on here to talk about football, and games that are happening this year. I’ll let all you haters keep on hatin, and keep regurgitating the same tired takes. I’ll stick to the threads have some something new to say.
Its a new Fresh season, how about some new Fresh ideas and thoughts
Folsom hasn’t played a game this season, and from what I can see, I also don’t see the usual suspects on here bragging about “we’re better than DLS”, or “blah blah blah...we are the best”. Richardson is gone, as is 90% of the staff (From what I know). And yet here we are...the same posters coming on and bashing this program.
Do we ALL wish FOLSOM played a tougher schedule? YEP! Do they play a tough Non League schedule? NOPE. seriously, it really seems like everyone agrees to these basic points, yet the Folsom bashing is non-stop.
Maybe I’m just a little tired of reading grown men (assumption...maybe there are some gals on here), writing the same posts they wrote for the past 3 years. Seriously....arguing whether Chaminade (or CC, or Helxi, or ____) was a quality opponent? YAWN. Or how Folsom avoided scheduling (Fill in the blank So Cal team) . UGH. Or how after years of being piled on for avoiding DLS, Folsom finally schedules them . But now posters don’t even give them that credit, because it took “other teams adjusting their schedule to make it happen”. REALLY...SEEMS PETTY. Now we got people stating what they personally think Folsom’s non-League schedule should look like? SMH
I realize Folsom is pretty easy to dislike because of a particular poster from the past 4-5 years, mixed in with a few others, and some stat-padding decisions made by coaches in some games. But man, the hate is deep on this board. It reminds me of the hatred towards DLS on this board from 7-8 years ago and the famous “They have an unfair advantage, they recruit, blah blah blah”. Either way, it’s tired IMHO.
It’s just my “two cents”, but I’m on here to talk about football, and games that are happening this year. I’ll let all you haters keep on hatin, and keep regurgitating the same tired takes. I’ll stick to the threads have some something new to say.
Its a new Fresh season, how about some new Fresh ideas and thoughts
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I think Folsom is going to have a harder time with stopping the run and a harder time with hitting the fades. Think they could be more of a running team and, with two QBs, I'd say they will run the QB more.
You said the game wasn't close. To most, that indicates a one-sided affair or blow out. It wasn't. That was the only reason I clarified.
Agree on the point about scheduling CC.
However, you missed the point I was making in demonstrating that the Cathedral team Folsom faced wasn't at all the same as the one Folsom scheduled in 2014. IMO you're making the common mistake of lumping teams together since it's the same program. It's unfair.
Was DLS's 2018 team that edged Folsom last season anywhere close to the same DLS team that lost to Clovis West in 2004/05? I mean, because CW has beaten DLS twice and Folsom never has, CW is clearly a better program than Folsom, right?
That would be a silly take lacking perspective, I believe we'd agree on that.
Same logic applies with this apples to oranges comparison of Del Oro and Folsom facing Cathedral 3 seasons apart. Hell, Del Oro would have been throttled by the CC team Folsom just faced in 2018 -- and that was only 1 season removed from Del Oro's win over the Dons.
FWIW, the 2014 CC team that Folsom demolished on the road by 45 points split a pair of games with Helix -- who easily beat Del Oro that same season by 24.
Isn't that much more relevant than pointing to a season 3 years later with a very different team in a down year (5-7)?
IMO you're completely distorting the truth.
Since I started this thread I have to correct you on a few things. First of all, I personally don't dislike or hate Folsom at all. As a matter of fact, I said I love Folsom in my opening post to this thread. Secondly, this thread was created to talk about the new staff as well not just Folsom's tired scheduling habits. Like you Mrbig, I wish more posters would have posted about coach Doherty and the direction he's going to take this team moving forward. Unfortunately, I don't have the power to control a posters thoughts or better yet a narrative regarding Folsom football. Hopefully coach Doherty will make us forget about the poor scheduling habits of Folsom's last staff in which I believe will be great for all of us. If he does that I'm 100% sure that would change the negative threads here on Folsom football. That said, I highly respect you as a poster and hope my post doesn't rub you the wrong way. Sincerely, the NorCal Preps "Junkie"
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How's it going "ILOVETROJANFOOTBALL"? I have a question regarding your team OR. To cut through the chase are they as good as advertised this year? I'm asking because I picked them 10th in pick'em this week. Can you tell me what part of their game makes them special this year??? I know a few kids on the Vaca team and they're very athletic and physical football players. Not having poster DanKings around hurts my feel process on Vacaville. Also, living in another State makes it hard on a old guy. Your insight is greatly appreciated. The "Junkie".
I have to respectfully disagree with your reasons why Chaminade is not a “scrub” team. I’m not saying they were a “scrub” team. But telling me who they lost to says nothing. For the most part I’m extremely impressed with the teams they lost to. But I want to know who they beat. If I’m some simple Joe in Florida looking at national rankings and comes across Folsom who’s ranked pretty high I’m going to look at their record. And I would see they lost to DLS which is impressive but to be expected. But when looking at their wins I would be thoroughly unimpressed. So who did Chaminade beat? And of those 4 teams how many had a winning record? And what were their notable wins? I’d be willing to bet the teams they lost to were much more impressive then the teams they beat if I’m looking at a 4-7 record. Again just my opinion.
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Which one do you think will most likely happen in a few weeks. Do you think coach Doherty's coaching style will give DLS some significant problems or will Sparty embarrass him in his Folsom debut?
I am not sure what kind of style Folsom’s New Coach has, but if it includes Giving the ball to Nagata 25 times Folsom will be in great shape.... To win he will have to do that plus take advantage of the Glaring weakness in DLS’ Defense which is the linebackers....
If Folsom can hit their big TE and Big Recievers in the middle of the field they move the ball no problem.... Folsom’s Coach has to do something different offensively then Richardson did because DLS has got that Scheme figured out.... They are way to fast...
The question is, what does Folsom bring to the table defensively to stop the DLS running game.... That is where I don’t think Folsom will have enough.... DLS could go for 500 yards rushing in this game with their backfield....
And we have to ask the question, “Does Folsom Really Want This”?.... The reward for winning this game is a Date with The Super-teams in the Open.... This is what DLS plays for and and their only goal.... When the going gets tough will The Folsom Coach and Players dig deep and stay composed or does the thought creep in their heads “Well if we lose, we still have the D-1AA”.....
It will be interesting to see how this one plays out, all the odds are in Folsom’s Favor in this game, this is definitely their best shot to beat DLS....
This game will be telling about their new coach.. If he can come up with a better scheme and adjustments then Richardson did the sky is the limit for Folsom..... If Folsom gets their doors blown off both him and the Program are in for dark days ahead....
I think a good analysis re. DLS run game this year vs. Folsom for this years game. I definitely think DLS will score 35-42 points in the game. Now Folsom needs to have the varied offense to try and stay close.
Great post! I agree with all you've said here. I also wonder how is coach Doherty going to handle DLS's run game. STA had some gigantic athletic lineman up front in which Folsom does not have. So like you've said, run defense will be Folsom's biggest issue going into this game. I'm forcing DLS's QB to beat me with his arm.
Will Folsom's offense be good enough to score in bunches? If so they will be in this game to the end. If not they will get smoked, no joke. Will coach Doherty's offense play ball/clock control to take the air out of the game or will they be a pass happy team like before. I'm hoping they mix things up with success which will put pressure on DLS's defense. STA's offense didn't have much success with their pass offense except for that circus catch by their phenom receiver. So I believe Folsom will have to come into this game with a serious running attack to open up the pass game. If this happens the country will be saying "whoa nelly" Folsom is too legit to quit!
That’s where the whole private vs public argument goes off the rails. I can’t speak for all private schools but the one I’m familiar with allows the same number of excused absences as public schools. Miss more and your grade for each class drops a full grade. It does not however impact state funding as private schools receive none.
Folsom will do the same thing they did last year play everybody at the line of scrimmage. Is dls defense as good as last years team? If not I think they’ll have a problem with Folsom’s playmakers. I think the kid Sutton will be the X factor. I think Folsom should run their qbs more
I like Hutton and I think he's been under the radar for the past few years. If he brings his 'A' game DLS will have hell to pay. The boy can flat out play. The only thing I'm concerned about is Folsom is Senior heavy except for their big uglie's. We will see if Folsom line coaches are worth their salt in this game.
I’m sure the sac state coaches are still helping out. while recruiting for sac state they could recommend Folsom as a nice feeder program
Yeah, sorry. I find this to be over-the-top. I don't get it.
Not only is it beneficial for these kids to travel and experience life away from home, we're only talking a handful of instances here. In a typical regular season, they're playing 5 homes games and 5 road games. Of the 5 road games, maybe a couple cause a conflict. Big freaking deal.
No offense to you, MTsince2004, but I don't see a legit problem or concern over it.
@ThunderRam, I agree. A game or two a season is not that big of a deal. My post was in response to the idea that a Sacramento-area public school should play a national caliber pre-league schedule that involves as many as four such trips (SoCal, Nevada, Arizona, etc.). A couple of Fridays a semester is just "field trips." Eight days a semester would be too far afield.
As an example, I have no problem with Monterey Trail's schedule. This year there is an away game in SoCal (Paraclete in Lancaster). The team will miss one day of school. Last year it was a missed Friday to go to the Reno area (Spanish Springs in Sparks) and an early release for a Bay Area game against San Ramon Valley. If all three games had been in the same season, it would have seemed like too much. Moderation is all I was saying.
As an example, I have no problem with Monterey Trail's schedule. This year there is an away game in SoCal (Paraclete in Lancaster). The team will miss one day of school. Last year it was a missed Friday to go to the Reno area (Spanish Springs in Sparks) and an early release for a Bay Area game against San Ramon Valley. If all three games had been in the same season, it would have seemed like too much. Moderation is all I was saying.
You’ve completely missed my point. I wasn’t comparing DO to anyone just that DO has a history of playing to their level and above, as an example ( not so much recently) and Folsom doesn’t and I was also responding to Soul’s examples, which weren’t good ones. But your comment was a pedantic response with actual game results, not the intent if the programs.
Who cares how good the eventual matchup was on any given year. It was the intent when scheduling that matters.
Let’s move on cause I know where this is going based on past experience.
Also someone made a comment i think on this board that 2018 was their best team...not even close...2014 was when the crushed a great grant team and annihilated a oceanside team that was probably on par with the cc team folsom barely beat last year....i think in order of greatest folsom teams...2014 2010 2018 2017[/QUOTE]
Hmmmm...crushed? Grant with a hobbled Shaq and Ferrence Lang out....and lost by 20....Lets see how Folsom minus Browning and Richards...would have done....injuries influenced that game heavily!
Hmmmm...crushed? Grant with a hobbled Shaq and Ferrence Lang out....and lost by 20....Lets see how Folsom minus Browning and Richards...would have done....injuries influenced that game heavily!
Unless I'm reading it wrong, he's referring to 2014 when Folsom beat an undefeated Pacers team by 31. Granted, the 2014 GHS team wasn't one of their best despite the perfect record up to that point.
As for 2010, I think most of us agree that the game would have been drastically different w/o the key injuries.
