Cal schools can’t play academies starting 2019/20

[kiddman32]

[QUOTE="feedback1, post: 199043, member: 4373"... The academies do not adhere to the same rules and regulations as high schools who are members of their respective state organizations. [/QUOTE]

Right. And because they don't follow the same rules, they aren't allowed to play in the high-school playoffs. I get that.

BUT... That has nothing to do with high-schools having a desire to play them in the preseason. None at all.

How 'bout this as a compromise (once again, only for basketball)? No scheduling single home or away games vs. academies, but if a CIF high school runs into a prep academy in a November or December tournament because the bracket fell that way, let 'em play. Game doesn't count for in-state record making, such as playoff qualification, but no other penalty or ruling is needed.

To quote a not-so-great movie from the past... LET THEM PLAY!

 

[1315]

Tangentially, I’m all for the service academies and their common practice for athletes of one year prep school prior to entering. I know one from West Point FB. Essentially they “redshirt” at prep school first year following HS since the service academies are strict four year curriculums. (Particularly as they are 100% full rides for the whole student body once at Annapolis, the Point, CG and CSprings.)
My sons teammate is one of the few exempted from immediate active duty (Afghanistan, Somalia, Syria) as he attends Uniformed Services Med School. Then....he gets the 20 year active assignment.

Those prep “academies” are just so contrary to the subject at hand I thought it should be noted some exist for more altruistic reasons.

 

[feedback1]

How 'bout this as a compromise (once again, only for basketball)? No scheduling single home or away games vs. academies, but if a CIF high school runs into a prep academy in a November or December tournament because the bracket fell that way, let 'em play. Game doesn't count for in-state record making, such as playoff qualification, but no other penalty or ruling is needed.

So why not allow JC teams to enter those same tournaments? They also have a roster full of players that do not meet high school eligibility. Or how about allowing AAU teams to enter the tournaments? It's just not a good argument to treat high school Christmas tournaments as if they are administered under a different set of rules from the rest of the team's games. Just go watch the summer AAU games if that is what you want to see. High school games are for teams that represent their schools and through membership to an organizing body (CIF) adhere to a common set of rules and regulations. I don't think the CIF wants to compromise - and they will err on the side of student-athlete safety. I don't think the CIF will compromise, nor will they care about the quality of Christmas tournament games (from a fan's perspective) as a reason for change.

 

[kiddman32]

I see in another thread (just put up today) that Modesto Christian basketball is going to face Oak Hill in next February's Nike Extravaganza. Props to MC for taking on the challenge before the new rule kicks in!

 

[SPortela24]

Been wanting to comment on this topic but after much thought I think it's an incomplete rule.

I dont think the State is wrong here. Schools like IMG have no business in prep sports and should only be allowed to practice against one another. If you as a parent want to board your kid for a year to prepare them for college sports, I support you but that shouldnt come at the expense of programs who try to compete with the hands they're dealt with.

That said, the state completely overlooked tons of schools within the state who are just as bad as IMG and Gorman. Mater Dei is now using other high schools as feeder programs. The WCAL has been recuriting for ages and it all gets overlooked. If you believe in creating a level playing field and maintaining the integrity of the education system, take care of home first.

 

[joebl]

Been wanting to comment on this topic but after much thought I think it's an incomplete rule.

I dont think the State is wrong here. Schools like IMG have no business in prep sports and should only be allowed to practice against one another. If you as a parent want to board your kid for a year to prepare them for college sports, I support you but that shouldnt come at the expense of programs who try to compete with the hands they're dealt with.

That said, the state completely overlooked tons of schools within the state who are just as bad as IMG and Gorman. Mater Dei is now using other high schools as feeder programs. The WCAL has been recuriting for ages and it all gets overlooked. If you believe in creating a level playing field and maintaining the integrity of the education system, take care of home first.

I'm sure you can point to some evidence of recruiting in the WCAL that was overlooked. If you are going to accuse a league of cheating, back it up!

 

[1315]

Been wanting to comment on this topic but after much thought I think it's an incomplete rule.

I dont think the State is wrong here. Schools like IMG have no business in prep sports and should only be allowed to practice against one another. If you as a parent want to board your kid for a year to prepare them for college sports, I support you but that shouldnt come at the expense of programs who try to compete with the hands they're dealt with.

That said, the state completely overlooked tons of schools within the state who are just as bad as IMG and Gorman. Mater Dei is now using other high schools as feeder programs. The WCAL has been recuriting for ages and it all gets overlooked. If you believe in creating a level playing field and maintaining the integrity of the education system, take care of home first.

BG is not a boarding school. But you are absolutely correct many in this state shamelessly leverage their open boundaries and selective admissions to pad their rosters. As far as the “undue influence” language in many sections’ CIF by laws, it’s next to impossible to document. No parochial leader is going nudge/cajole/invite a prospect within 100 yards of a camera, microphone or unknown parent. I thought it intriguing the (now)
FBS parent went on camera boasting “the Polynesian pipeline is now wide open at (x HS.)”

 

[SPortela24]

I'm sure you can point to some evidence of recruiting in the WCAL that was overlooked. If you are going to accuse a league of cheating, back it up!

You know, if I got pulled into a deposition regarding the matter I'd sing like a canary. Fact is I'm not going to accomplish shit by dropping names regarding those matters on a message board.

But what do I know? I know that one of my own players and his mother was approached by a head coach at a WCAL school last season and told he should "re-apply for financial aid as the school had opened up some more funds."

I know one of my clients was pulled into a meeting with the head basketball coach after her son, a former 4 star basketball recruit at a WCAL school, signed up to play football because he was "recruited to play basketball". She told me all this after she told me about how the school offered to cover his entire tuition after discovering him on the AAU circuit as a sophomore.

I know I was 17 years old when I had a WCAL coach pull up on the side of the road, hand my brother, my cousin and 2 of my buddies a business card saying he was the head freshman coach at a WCAL school and was interested in them joining the program after they played well as varsity sophomore. Call bullshit on that one but one of my buddies actually took the bait. Parents owned a house that was worth well over a million and a half while this cat was getting all expenses paid. This is in 2006.

Yeah, preach to me all you want about the Catholic School educational experience but reality is half of the teachers at these schools are being poached from the publics LMAOOOOO....

Sooooo...what thee actual ****?!

 

[colhenrylives]

What is also instructive is how many athletic sons and daughters of public school teachers/coaches/administrators attend private/parochial schools.

 

[bella123]

Alot of people caring where other people's kids (IE. not their own kids for the retarded crowd) attend school.

It's pretty simple. If you don't like a IMG/SJB/BCP don't send your kid there? Don't like the possibility your "all-star" might have to compete or be challenged by possibly having to play against these type of schools? Let them join some less competive type of sports league not associated with their school.

 

[ararar]

Alot of people caring where other people's kids (IE. not their own kids for the retarded crowd) attend school.

It's pretty simple. If you don't like a IMG/SJB/BCP don't send your kid there? Don't like the possibility your "all-star" might have to compete or be challenged by possibly having to play against these type of schools? Let them join some less competive type of sports league not associated with their school.

They don’t care where you send your kid they care about winning and losing which seems totally contrary to this “High School experience” I read about so much on here