Call me old Fashioned

[rez96]

but I miss the good old days….

when you could pay cash to get into a high school football game

there were less than 15 state champions

and when divisions were set by student enrollment instead of arbitrary decision making.

Why even have divisions if this is what it has come to?

 

[Cal 14]

You're definitely old fashioned.

 

[ankleassassin]

do you also miss rotary phones and no internet to post your boomer ideas.

 

[rez96]

do you also miss rotary phones and no internet to post your boomer ideas.

The term “Old Fashioned” was sarcasm. Using cash and 6 state championship bowl games we’re maybe 3 years ago?? Rotary phones…mid 80’s??

But hey, I get your point things are changing. Maybe not all for the good.

I just think Fifteen state championship games are too many, whether you still use a rotary phone, flip phone or I-phone 20.

 

[rez96]

And, can anyone see the possible pit falls of choosing what division teams are in after the season is over for playoffs?

It can definitely incentivize losing late in the year trying to get in a lower division where they can win a section/state championship. Or, “punish” a team who wins a close game late in the year, gets put up in a division they have no chance of winning.

Your division should be set prior to the season whatever the criteria is.

 

[THEOC89]

The term “Old Fashioned” was sarcasm. Using cash and 6 state championship bowl games we’re maybe 3 years ago?? Rotary phones…mid 80’s??

But hey, I get your point things are changing. Maybe not all for the good.

I just think Fifteen state championship games are too many, whether you still use a rotary phone, flip phone or I-phone 20.

The Fact that there is a 0-10 team playing a 1-9 team in a Regional play off game is all we need to tell us there are way too many “State Championship” games….

I mean come on, who in their right mind would recognize a team who finished their regular season 0-10 or 1-9 as a “State Champion”….. It’s just completely embarrassing for the CIF. The sections and everyone involved…..

Something needs to change, absolutely Rediculous….

 

[rez96]

The Fact that there is a 0-10 team playing a 1-9 team in a Regional play off game is all we need to tell us there are way too many “State Championship” games….

I mean come on, who in their right mind would recognize a team who finished their regular season 0-10 or 1-9 as a “State Champion”….. It’s just completely embarrassing for the CIF. The sections and everyone involved…..

Something needs to change, absolutely Rediculous….

Even the fact that there is a 7AA and 7A division is proof.

I can imagine being in the meeting when they decided to go with 15 state champs…

.”what should we call division 14 state champs?”

Answer
“Division 14 has too many numbers, let’s call it Division 7A. Plus, in a couple years, we can have 28 state champs, and just add a bunch of “A’s” after each number. All in favor?”

 

[bella123]

Even the fact that there is a 7AA and 7A division is proof.

I can imagine being in the meeting when they decided to go with 15 state champs…

.”what should we call division 14 state champs?”

Answer
“Division 14 has too many numbers, let’s call it Division 7A. Plus, in a couple years, we can have 28 state champs, and just add a bunch of “A’s” after each number. All in favor?”

Well I’ve heard that answered, “That’s how Texas does it.” 😂

 

[Rocknrolus 95361]

The term “Old Fashioned” was sarcasm. Using cash and 6 state championship bowl games we’re maybe 3 years ago?? Rotary phones…mid 80’s??

But hey, I get your point things are changing. Maybe not all for the good.

I just think Fifteen state championship games are too many, whether you still use a rotary phone, flip phone or I-phone 20.

It's the no cash thing that gets me. I have to pay twice as much for tickets as regular season. But you have to pay ticket fee? Isn't this extortion? CIF working with ticket sales companies? As I approach my 70's I am getting my 70's conspiracy theory thing going again!

 

[Cal 14]

And, can anyone see the possible pit falls of choosing what division teams are in after the season is over for playoffs?

It can definitely incentivize losing late in the year trying to get in a lower division where they can win a section/state championship. Or, “punish” a team who wins a close game late in the year, gets put up in a division they have no chance of winning.

Your division should be set prior to the season whatever the criteria is.

We've had this system for a few years in the CCS, but I don't think we've had many (if any) cases of teams throwing games in order to get into lower brackets. My alma mater, Salinas, has had three straight opportunities to do this and hasn't.

 

[Cal 14]

The Fact that there is a 0-10 team playing a 1-9 team in a Regional play off game is all we need to tell us there are way too many “State Championship” games….

I mean come on, who in their right mind would recognize a team who finished their regular season 0-10 or 1-9 as a “State Champion”….. It’s just completely embarrassing for the CIF. The sections and everyone involved…..

Something needs to change, absolutely Rediculous….

That has nothing to do with the CIF. That's the San Diego Section allowing everyone and their mother into the playoffs.

 

[Cal 14]

Well I’ve heard that answered, “That’s how Texas does it.” 😂

Texas is the only example to which California can be compared. These are the only two states with more than 1000 football schools. Texas has a boatload of divisions (19). People have said "we should be like Texas". Uh, no, we shouldn't.

Colorado has 5 divisions for 202 teams. For California, that would mean 20 divisions.

Indiana has 6 divisions for 323 teams. For California, that would mean 19 divisions.

Georgia has 15 divisions for 465 teams. For California, that would mean a whopping 33-34 divisions.

The CCS has the fewest number of playoff teams relative to the overall number of members at 42.1%. If we were to apply that to the rest of the state, that would mean 439 teams advancing. If we had set up 32-team brackets for them (finalists would end up with 15 games), we'd still end up with 14 divisions.

The only reason people are lamenting California's 15 is because we started with 3 as a trial run. If we had done it completely from the beginning, we'd still be well into the double-digits. So many on here talk about eliminating the sections and going with a state-wide playoff system... well, we'd have at least around this number if we did that.

I can only say that those complaining about the CIF's system probably may not have taken the time to (or simply can't) understand the math very well.

 

[Cal 14]

I don't disagree that a number of teams don't deserve to play in the playoffs. No 0-10 or 1-9 team has any business doing so. Also, many sections have too many divisions. Paring down, you could have:

NS - 3
NCS - 6 (they absolutely do not need 8)
SJS - 7
CCS - 5
CS - 5
SS - 12
LACS - 3
SDS - 5

(Note the elimination of the SFS and OS)

With this...

we'd still end up with about 13 divisions!

 

[bella123]

Texas is the only example to which California can be compared. These are the only two states with more than 1000 football schools. Texas has a boatload of divisions (19). People have said "we should be like Texas". Uh, no, we shouldn't.

Colorado has 5 divisions for 202 teams. For California, that would mean 20 divisions.

Indiana has 6 divisions for 323 teams. For California, that would mean 19 divisions.

Georgia has 15 divisions for 465 teams. For California, that would mean a whopping 33-34 divisions.

The CCS has the fewest number of playoff teams relative to the overall number of members at 42.1%. If we were to apply that to the rest of the state, that would mean 439 teams advancing. If we had set up 32-team brackets for them (finalists would end up with 15 games), we'd still end up with 14 divisions.

The only reason people are lamenting California's 15 is because we started with 3 as a trial run. If we had done it completely from the beginning, we'd still be well into the double-digits. So many on here talk about eliminating the sections and going with a state-wide playoff system... well, we'd have at least around this number if we did that.

I can only say that those complaining about the CIF's system probably may not have taken the time to (or simply can't) understand the math very well.

Most of those states have way to many divisions as it is. Nothing wrong with less divisions and lowering the number of teams and creating a higher threshold to get into the playoffs. Better games and more interesting if you make it earned over say a 0-10 vs. 1-9 match up.

 

[Cal 14]

Most of those states have way to many divisions as it is. Nothing wrong with less divisions and lowering the number of teams and creating a higher threshold to get into the playoffs. Better games and more interesting if you make it earned over say a 0-10 vs. 1-9 match up.

I believe the SS and SDS are the only sections in which those teams could advance. It would be impossible everywhere else.

 

[Cal 14]

Most of those states have way to many divisions as it is. Nothing wrong with less divisions and lowering the number of teams and creating a higher threshold to get into the playoffs. Better games and more interesting if you make it earned over say a 0-10 vs. 1-9 match up.

I agree that the requirements should be tightened up, but I'm telling you, that wouldn't make the amount of difference you think it would.

Do the math.