Cardinal Newman vs. Clayton Valley this Friday

[1tunz1]

CN put up the Cardinal fight against St. Mary's last week and came up a little short on a 2-point conversion to win it. Last year CN lost to St. Mary's by 3 TD's.

CN also lost to State team Clayton Valley last year by 3 TD's.

So I'm thinking CN has a chance to put CVC on guard this Friday night at CVC, and maybe pull off the upset. Could be the game of the week.

Any thoughts?

 

[MC415]

As Berkshire goes so does CN, I think it will be close till the 4th qtr, CVC depth wears them down on the front line.....CVC 42-28

 

[Bluedog2]

As Berkshire goes so does CN, I think it will be close till the 4th qtr, CVC depth wears them down on the front line.....CVC 42-28

Every body going to the CVC-CN game, get their early as the bletchers are low and hold only so many(not enough) and parking could get tight....

 

[1tunz1]

Every body going to the CVC-CN game, get their early as the bletchers are low and hold only so many(not enough) and parking could get tight....

How early?

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

Probably Clayton Valley by 2 tds

 

[Bluedog2]

How early?

1tunz1......at least 45 minutes before game time at the gate, also parking can be a problem which is another reason to be early...If you show up about 10-15 minutes before game time, you will be standing

 

[G61]

I think CVC wears CN down earlier than expected. I see this being a blow out into the 3rd quarter.

CVC dresses nearly 90 guys. CN will have their hands full

 

[slick58]

I think CVC wears CN down earlier than expected. I see this being a blow out into the 3rd quarter.

CVC dresses nearly 90 guys. CN will have their hands full

What's the infatuation with how many players they dress? I figure since you've mentioned it a few times it's leading somewhere. They only allow 11 on the field at a time so the other 79 are useless at that point. I will agree that having a larger roster does help.

 

[G61]

What's the infatuation with how many players they dress? I figure since you've mentioned it a few times it's leading somewhere. They only allow 11 on the field at a time so the other 79 are useless at that point. I will agree that having a larger roster does help.

I think you just responded for me in your statement above

 

[1tunz1]

nm

 

[larry legend33]

I'm just going off the top of my head but how many times has a newman team been blown out since Cronin has been head coach? I can recall 1x. Last year against Campo in the playoffs. That was an absolute massacre. I don't see them beating CVC but I also don't see a blowout. Both Newman and Rancho are good enough to compete with almost everybody this year. (DLS and Bellarmine exception) No shame in playing CVC.

 

[G61]

Newman and Rancho are good enough to dominate their area, but that's about it.

CN already got beat at home to a St. Mary's team who is "good" but not "great." CVC is on another level in comparison to St. Mary's.

If you are specifically talking about teams in the NCS, then yes, you would be semi-correct Larry. But I can think of about 10 teams in the SJS that would dismantly Newman, Rancho, or MC.

What do you think?

 

[paul_johnson884]

CN is often under appreciated. Cronin is an outstanding coach. In 2006, CN was given zero chance to compete with Oaks Christian and almost beat them losing in OT at the State Bowl game. Servite did not spend all that effort trying to hire Cronin for nothing.

In this game tho, it apperas CVC is too physical.

 

[1tunz1]

Newman and Rancho are good enough to dominate their area, but that's about it.

CN already got beat at home to a St. Mary's team who is "good" but not "great." CVC is on another level in comparison to St. Mary's.

If you are specifically talking about teams in the NCS, then yes, you would be semi-correct Larry. But I can think of about 10 teams in the SJS that would dismantly Newman, Rancho, or MC.

What do you think?

I think it's too early in the season to know who's just good and who's great. What evidence can you provide that CVC is on another level compared to SM? I mean CVC played a Folsom team that looks just SJS average so far, compared to last year. CVC returns only 9 starters from last year's team, and honestly, against Folsom their defense gave up many big plays. Yes they look physical, and their run game can be debilitating to defenses over 4 quarters, but I wouldn't pronounce them as on a different level than St. Mary's, who have a pretty stout running game themselves.

So how about list 10 teams in sjs in similar divisions as CN and Rancho, who would dismantle the North Bay teams, and let us see how the season plays out.

In the past, CN has played Del Oro, like in 2005-2008, and split 2-2 with them. And then basically split series with Central Catholic, and beaten a good Oakdale team. So they've held their own vs. SJS, and in addition have played CCS Valley Christian, Palma, with wins over each in certain years. And like PaulJohnson says above, they took Oaks to OT in State game, when they were 40+ point underdogs. So you really have no basis to say CN can only win in their area. The first time CN met CVC was in the NCS 3A title game in 2008, which CN won (and kudo's to CVC, I remember that Ugly Eagles defense as being one of the toughest I've seen). As far as this season goes, it's just too early to be making the claims you are.

 

[G61]

I think it's too early in the season to know who's just good and who's great. What evidence can you provide that CVC is on another level compared to SM? I mean CVC played a Folsom team that looks just SJS average so far, compared to last year. CVC returns only 9 starters from last year's team, and honestly, against Folsom their defense gave up many big plays. Yes they look physical, and their run game can be debilitating to defenses over 4 quarters, but I wouldn't pronounce them as on a different level than St. Mary's, who have a pretty stout running game themselves.

So how about list 10 teams in sjs in similar divisions as CN and Rancho, who would dismantle the North Bay teams, and let us see how the season plays out.

In the past, CN has played Del Oro, like in 2005-2008, and split 2-2 with them. And then basically split series with Central Catholic, and beaten a good Oakdale team. So they've held their own vs. SJS, and in addition have played CCS Valley Christian, Palma, with wins over each in certain years. And like PaulJohnson says above, they took Oaks to OT in State game, when they were 40+ point underdogs. So you really have no basis to say CN can only win in their area. The first time CN met CVC was in the NCS 3A title game in 2008, which CN won (and kudo's to CVC, I remember that Ugly Eagles defense as being one of the toughest I've seen). As far as this season goes, it's just too early to be making the claims you are.

CVC played a Folsom team that "looks just SJS average so far?" Ok...What are you smoking? You understand they are the #1 ranked team in the SJS right? That sounds ANYTHING but average to me

Look, it is obvious that you are a Sonoma County Homer, and I get that...But, you need to come back to reality. Your #1 RANKED TEAM, MC got SMOKED against a "middle of the pack" SJS team. Again, I think you are smoking the good stuff here.

You are quoting CN's record in the past, against PAST teams. I am talking about now, not 2008-2010. This is 2015

My basis for my claims are simple and based solely on what I have seen THIS YEAR. First off, there are AT LEAST 10 teams in the SJS that would beat Newman, MC, and Rancho. This was displayed last week when MC got dismantled against a CO (Elk Grove) team. The SJS is a whole other level compared to the North Bay teams. Have North Bay teams like CN had success in the past? Absolutely. They have had some great teams in the past. Generally speaking, the competition "up there" is just a notch above the area of Redding and Red Bluff, with a few exceptions.

Here is a small list of teams that would beat ANY North Bay team:
Folsom (obvious choice)
Grant
Granite Bay
Oak Ridge
Consumnes Oaks
Rocklin
Franklin
Del Oro
Jesuit
St. Marys (beat Newman AT HOME)
Central Catholic

Thats not 10, thats 11 teams that are better than YOUR TOP TEAM(s). CVC just took the TOP RANKED SJS team to the limit AT THEIR HOME (Folsom). Don't give me this "Folsom looks SJS average." Are you kidding me?

When CVC dismantles you on Friday night, we will revisit this subject! HOMER!

 

[paul_johnson884]

St Mary's beat CN by one point and yet they appear on the "dismantle" list.

 

[G61]

St Mary's beat CN by one point and yet they appear on the "dismantle" list.

Actually it says "would beat."

And that was a one point win AT Newman. Again, St. Mary's is a middle of the pack SJS team.

This dude said "Folsom looks SJS average!" LMFAO! Credibility gone! #1 section ranked teams are USUALLY NOT AVERAGE! LMFAO!

 

[G61]

Typical Sonoma County Homer who probably doesn't even realize In N Out burger is a chain restaurant! LMFAO! ☺

 

[1tunz1]

CVC played a Folsom team that "looks just SJS average so far?" Ok...What are you smoking? You understand they are the #1 ranked team in the SJS right? That sounds ANYTHING but average to me





Oh, I get it. You're basing your opinions on preseason rankings, and losing by one point is a "dismantling." You forget to explain why you believe CVC is on a different level than St. Mary's. And have you seen many of these teams play this year? In the whole two weeks of the season?
It is unfortunate that CN lost that game to St. Mary's, but CN essentially played equal with them, so to use that outcome in your logic is just, well you, like the rest of your inflammatory bs. Have a good season, whatever sjs team you are.

 

[paul_johnson884]

You edited it after my post- don't blame you.

 

[G61]

Actually I didn't. Just admit you were wrong. Not a big deal ☺

 

[1tunz1]

nm

 

[G61]

1tunz1- " what evidence can you provide me that In N Out Burger IS a chain!?"

LMFAO ☺

 

[CaliTrojan4Life]

Indy would own CN as well this year.

 

[G61]

So would Jacksonville ☺

 

[larry legend33]

Too much of an apples to orange comparison. You are looking at D1 powerhouse programs (SJS) in million + metro area against smaller D3 schools in the north bay. I can't say who Newman would lose to or not because they aren't going to play any of these teams with exception of St Mary's and that game came down to one gutsy call. Its still very early in the year. CO blanked MC but comes back next week and loses a heartbreaker to GB. Don't sell MC short on 1 game. Folsom is still a great team because they have built a program. They are vulnerable this year but still have to be beaten, but by their standards this is the weakest team I've seen in the past 6 years.

Rancho has a big game against Antioch in a couple weeks. Antioch has arguably the best player in NORCAL. (Najee Harris who is Alabama bound). Rancho will open up some eyes. Should be a great HS season. You have to bring it every night.

 

[G61]

Larry, I agree with what you are saying.

I just thought it was crazy when 1tunz1 stated that, "I mean CVC played a Folsom team that looks just SJS average so far."

I mean...C'mon!

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

Cardinal Newman is a very good D3/4 team and should be considered among those to programs. In some years the top D3 teams (i.e., a Valley Christian-San Jose for example in a strong year and maybe a CN in its best years), most likely matches up against the top D1 and D2 programs. Even in its best years, CN may not match up with a top D1 program like DLS or D2 program like a Folsom. Wouldn't call this year's CN team eliete as far as its teams, but very good. St Mary's clearly is in a rebuild year but as typical a quality team. As far as Clayton valley Charter, since they have become a charter school, they have become another animal and aren't the typical D2 team based on their pull. They will be the favorite. Anything can happen in a game, but Newman will be the underdog in this one.

 

[1tunz1]

Here is a small list of teams that would beat ANY North Bay team:
Folsom (obvious choice)
Grant
Granite Bay
Oak Ridge
Consumnes Oaks
Rocklin
Franklin
Del Oro
Jesuit
St. Marys (beat Newman AT HOME)
Central Catholic

Thats not 10, thats 11 teams that are better than YOUR TOP TEAM(s). CVC just took the TOP RANKED SJS team to the limit AT THEIR HOME (Folsom). Don't give me this "Folsom looks SJS average." Are you kidding me?

My post asked you to list 10 teams in "similar " divisions. You just listed your top teams , period. Duh.

 

[G61]

LOL, you stated, "I mean CVC played a Folsom team that looks just SJS average so far." Still can't believe you stated this...

That is why I posted 11 teams in the SJS that would beat YOUR TOP TEAM.

That is all.

 

[1tunz1]

Cardinal Newman is a very good D3/4 team and should be considered among those to programs. In some years the top D3 teams (i.e., a Valley Christian-San Jose for example in a strong year and maybe a CN in its best years), most likely matches up against the top D1 and D2 programs. Even in its best years, CN may not match up with a top D1 program like DLS or D2 program like a Folsom. Wouldn't call this year's CN team eliete as far as its teams, but very good. St Mary's clearly is in a rebuild year but as typical a quality team. As far as Clayton valley Charter, since they have become a charter school, they have become another animal and aren't the typical D2 team based on their pull. They will be the favorite. Anything can happen in a game, but Newman will be the underdog in this one.

As always, Norcalsportsfan, you are the voice of logic and reason. I admire your ability to be objective in the face of G61 type posts, and agree, as everyone does, that CN is a big underdog in the CVC game. Just wondering how g61 can say CVC is on a whole different level than St. Mary's at week two of the season.

 

[1tunz1]

G61,

I watched the CVC game vs. Folsom on Comcast, and from what I saw, and I stick with my evaluation, is Folsom played that game like an average sjs team. Meaning, I think they can be beaten by the del oro's, Granite bay's, etc. this year, and it wouldn't surprise me to see that happen. Nothing against Folsom personally...I love their program.

 

[G61]

After you play CVC next week, you will see just how average Folsom really is...

How's that for logic?

And thanks for the compliment about our program. We take lots of pride in it.

 

[1tunz1]

After you play CVC next week, you will see just how average Folsom really is...

How's that for logic?

And thanks for the compliment about our program. We take lots of pride in it.

Haha! That, at least, makes sense. And what would it mean to you if CN beats CVC?

 

[G61]

I'm always game for a wager

 

[CaliTrojan4Life]

G61, Indy is Inderkum. lol

 

[bulldogmgc]

St. Mary's-STOCKTON is definitely in a reload year (reload not rebuild). Only 5 returning starters on offense and 1 on defense. This year's St. Mary's team is really losing much on defense, especially with the loss of middle LB Khalil Hodge due to graduation. Credit to CN's QB for his outstanding play, but this Ram defense is not at all what it was last year, especially with only 1 returning starter. St. Mary's philosophy this year will be like year's past, "win with offense". But, credit Ram's defense for making the stop on CN's 2pt conversion to win. Still it needed 35 points to win.

This Friday, St. Mary's-STOCKTON vs Central Catholic is going to be a tough one for St. Mary's. CC's JV team blew out SM's JV team last year, and the varsity game was very close, with a last minute TD by the Rams to win that game. I just don't see the Rams stopping or slowing down CC QB Hunter Petlansky, especially with the trouble they had with CN's QB. St. Mary's will be good this year, but they will be better next year. For first varsity game under center for St. Mary's, I was quite surprised/pleased with the performance by the Rams JR QB, Dunniway. But, agree, it's too early to tell how good they can be or on what level of teams to be compared with. Just too early.

 

[lancer3622]

CVC played a Folsom team that "looks just SJS average so far?" Ok...What are you smoking? You understand they are the #1 ranked team in the SJS right? That sounds ANYTHING but average to me

Look, it is obvious that you are a Sonoma County Homer, and I get that...But, you need to come back to reality. Your #1 RANKED TEAM, MC got SMOKED against a "middle of the pack" SJS team. Again, I think you are smoking the good stuff here.

You are quoting CN's record in the past, against PAST teams. I am talking about now, not 2008-2010. This is 2015

My basis for my claims are simple and based solely on what I have seen THIS YEAR. First off, there are AT LEAST 10 teams in the SJS that would beat Newman, MC, and Rancho. This was displayed last week when MC got dismantled against a CO (Elk Grove) team. The SJS is a whole other level compared to the North Bay teams. Have North Bay teams like CN had success in the past? Absolutely. They have had some great teams in the past. Generally speaking, the competition "up there" is just a notch above the area of Redding and Red Bluff, with a few exceptions.

Here is a small list of teams that would beat ANY North Bay team:
Folsom (obvious choice)
Grant
Granite Bay
Oak Ridge
Consumnes Oaks
Rocklin
Franklin
Del Oro
Jesuit
St. Marys (beat Newman AT HOME)
Central Catholic

Thats not 10, thats 11 teams that are better than YOUR TOP TEAM(s). CVC just took the TOP RANKED SJS team to the limit AT THEIR HOME (Folsom). Don't give me this "Folsom looks SJS average." Are you kidding me?

When CVC dismantles you on Friday night, we will revisit this subject! HOMER!

@ G61 hahahaha!

 

[Trivalley]

CV looked really good against Folsom despite losing their best Lineman early. That likely limited them to some degree. I expect them to stem roll Newman by the 2nd half.

The loss to Folsom won't hurt them much in a likely return to the State D2 Championship.

 

[larry legend33]

Newman just got bas news. Press Democrat reporting Brookshire to sit with mild concussion sustained against St Mary's. This game just got ugly fast. Hope the young man is ok because never want to compromise health.