CCS Open -- Round Robin

[TheHillZ]

Here's the blank bracket

https://cifccs.org/Playoffs/results/21-22/2021-22_Girls_Basketball_Open_Division_Pools_and_Schedules.pdf

Two pools. Pool A is #1, #4, #5 and #8 seed. Pool B is #2, #3, #6 and #7

The "winners" of the pools play in the finals.

Kinda like it, assuming everyone's clear on tiebreakers. More good games to watch/play. Woe be unto #8 who will have to run the WCAL holy trinity.

 

[colhenrylives]

No doubt it will be a public school sacrificial lamb. Let the blood-letting commence.

 

[colhenrylives]

Palo Alto and Half Moon Bay (rather shocking) are the two publics in the CCS Open.

 

[OnBall8]

Why would it be Half Moon Bay??? That makes no sense. Los Gatos and Evergreen with better record, strength of schedule and rankings.. HMB got the shaft and LG is celebrating.. I dont get it..

 

[LBJ6]

Why would it be Half Moon Bay??? That makes no sense. Los Gatos and Evergreen with better record, strength of schedule and rankings.. HMB got the shaft and LG is celebrating.. I dont get it..

They better be getting gifted a Top seed in a low bracket for NorCal’s

 

[colhenrylives]

For some odd reason, the Moon volunteered to be crushed in the Open. Go figure. They lost to Sequoia for crying out loud.

 

[colhenrylives]

Why would it be Half Moon Bay??? That makes no sense. Los Gatos and Evergreen with better record, strength of schedule and rankings.. HMB got the shaft and LG is celebrating.. I dont get it..

Not to mention 22-1 Hillsdale.

 

[TheHillZ]

Has anyone on the board ever been in one of these seeding meeting? I would love to hear how it happens.

Did HMB volunteer for this "honor"? Did other publics decline?

Also, how did SHC get #6 (with a losing record, no big wins and only victories in league, both against Pres)?

 

[colhenrylives]

They volunteered. Guarantees a slot in the NorCal tourney, win or lose.

 

[letsski]

Has anyone on the board ever been in one of these seeding meeting? I would love to hear how it happens.

Did HMB volunteer for this "honor"? Did other publics decline?

Also, how did SHC get #6 (with a losing record, no big wins and only victories in league, both against Pres)?

HMB wanted to go open. Hillsdale did not. SHC, while not having a strong record, played much tougher against teams like St. Francis 57-43 loss vs Hillsdale against St. Francis, a 79-37 loss. Also, the committee tries to honor school's requests regarding moving up into the open or not.

 

[blex20]

HMB wanted to go open. Hillsdale did not. SHC, while not having a strong record, played much tougher against teams like St. Francis 57-43 loss vs Hillsdale against St. Francis, a 79-37 loss. Also, the committee tries to honor school's requests regarding moving up into the open or not.

SHC played SI and SF tough both games. Unfortunately no adjustments were made from first game to second and the scores of the second game reflected that. I'm just happy they're in Pool B because they match up better with SI and Pinewood than they do Mitty and Valley.

 

[OnBall8]

Has anyone on the board ever been in one of these seeding meeting? I would love to hear how it happens.

Did HMB volunteer for this "honor"? Did other publics decline?

Also, how did SHC get #6 (with a losing record, no big wins and only victories in league, both against Pres)?

Exactly.. and LG just beat Palo Alto last week.. so that doesn't make sense.

Is this like the hunger games?? No one wants to get chosen but then someone steps up and volunteers as tribute?

 

[Norcal_Fan]

They better be getting gifted a Top seed in a low bracket for NorCal’s

That's interesting that you say that. You would think that if a team is eligible for the Open division, the only logical reasoning is that they'd be in Division I by default (if not in the open Norcals). Right?

 

[OnBall8]

 

[OnBall8]

That's interesting that you say that. You would think that if a team is eligible for the Open division, the only logical reasoning is that they'd be in Division I by default (if not in the open Norcals). Right?

So SHC, Paly and HMB have to be in D1 for NorCal?? That's not going to be pretty either..

 

[blex20]

So SHC, Paly and HMB have to be in D1 for NorCal?? That's not going to be pretty either..

If I'm not mistaken, SHC was CCS Open two years ago and dropped to D2 for NorCals.

 

[OnBall8]

If I'm not mistaken, SHC was CCS Open two years ago and dropped to D2 for NorCals.

My point exactly.. making the open does not mean you have to be in Norcal open or D1.. as long as the committee is using logic to seed teams, which we all know is a big ask some years..

 

[Norcal_Fan]

My point exactly.. making the open does not mean you have to be in Norcal open or D1.. as long as the committee is using logic to seed teams, which we all know is a big ask some years..

agree! but if you're a top 8 team in your section and get pulled up because of that, then how can you justify moving a team to D2 or below? just seems messed up

 

[blex20]

agree! but if you're a top 8 team in your section and get pulled up because of that, then how can you justify moving a team to D2 or below? just seems messed up

But I think there's a huge difference between a ranking and CCS seeding. If it was simply based on rankings (MaxPreps or otherwise), then all brackets would look vastly different. Especially since CCS seeding is as much about school preference as it is record, strength of schedule and school size. For instance, I've watched Summit Shasta play a few times this year and they simply roll through their league because their skills are far and away greater than any other team in league. They can't move up a division for league based on school size, so they don't get battle tested when it comes time for CCS and they have to face the Crystal Springs' and Priory's. Two privates that can pull players from a larger pool.

 

[OnBall8]

agree! but if you're a top 8 team in your section and get pulled up because of that, then how can you justify moving a team to D2 or below? just seems messed up

Well it would depend on the outcome from being in the CCS Open. A measuring stick of sorts. If LG gets in and gets blasted, then there's your answer.. they shouldn't be anywhere close to Open in NorCal or D1. But their reward being that they get a free pass to NorCal.

So, now if LG runs through CCS D1 and wins, and Paly gets blasted 3 times, do you double screw Paly and put them at the bottom of D1, giving LG a favorable D2 seed? Or drop Paly to D2? If you drop them to D2, do you automatically put LG behind them since they were not in the open? Does LG leap frog Paly since they just beat them last week? Now that seems messed up...

 

[keepitreal.32]

All sections have “head scratcher” placements. In SJS, I’m curious where Vanden ends up in NorCal. Vanden is a top team in SJS but plays down in D3 for section. I don’t think any team will play’’‘em to single digits in SJS D3.

 

[Deckermd]

Menlo 3 years ago won their state championship in div 2 after competing in CCS open....dont believe local seedings have anything to do with seeding for state( but their games against top teams while in open likely does play a role in moving them UP in state rankings of course). I think its THAT example that makes solid teams/programs want to compete at highest level locally.....see what get out of it....then go attempt to make a run at a state championship...simply more basketball...no easy decisions for seeding committies or programs but that menlo example of just 3 years ago probably aids in some school decisions......

 

[padrewhipser]

Good for Half Moon Bay for volunteering, but Last Week HMB lost their best player to a knee injury. With her it was going to be ugly,, now its going to be a massacre

 

[colhenrylives]

Oh, and by the way, how does a mercy-killing vs. HMB do Mitty or the other teams in that bracket any good whatsoever?

 

[OnBall8]

Oh, and by the way, how does a mercy-killing vs. HMB do Mitty or the other teams in that bracket any good whatsoever?

I guess the argument would be its not for the benefit of the other teams, rather for the benefit of HMB. As the padrewhipser alluded to, their best player just went down and they are still going to play for over 2 more weeks. I get why they volunteered, but I still don't think it should be allowed.

Maybe I'm too old school for this kind of playoff system where people want to play lesser competition and call themselves a champion.. Good for HMB for taking advantage of the situation and guaranteeing themselves a longer season.

 

[scvalfan]

I guess the argument would be its not for the benefit of the other teams, rather for the benefit of HMB. As the padrewhipser alluded to, their best player just went down and they are still going to play for over 2 more weeks. I get why they volunteered, but I still don't think it should be allowed.

Maybe I'm too old school for this kind of playoff system where people want to play lesser competition and call themselves a champion.. Good for HMB for taking advantage of the situation and guaranteeing themselves a longer season.

I think it less about playing "lesser" competition, and more about 2-3 schools stockpiling massive amounts of regional talent competing against neighborhood schools. Is it any fun to call yourself a champion when you need to travel out of state to get in a good game? I am old school as well, but I also realize that the structure and composition of high school sports in 2022 is barely recognizable to anything pre-1990. The scope and breadth of students that attend the sports factory schools is so much wider than it has ever been.

 

[northbaybbguru]

agree! but if you're a top 8 team in your section and get pulled up because of that, then how can you justify moving a team to D2 or below? just seems messed up

logically your assumption makes sense but here is the caveat.... there are only so many spots alloted for the D1 norcals so if you end up at the bottom of the 8 you could conceivably still end up in D2 if the committee deems there are enough "better" teams in the other sections to fill out D1 ahead of you. If the SJS only sends 1 team to the State OPEN playoff (instead of what should be 2) that should mean they will be able to send an extra team to D1. (just to throw out an example of how that 7 or 8 seed could end up in D2)

 

[keepitreal.32]

Oh, and by the way, how does a mercy-killing vs. HMB do Mitty or the other teams in that bracket any good whatsoever?

SJS D3
Vanden 108
Casa Roble 12

Half Moon Bay will live to play another day after Mitty. Casa Roble won’t.
Can’t think of any “good” for Mitty.