DelOro beats Granite Bay
- Thread starter H.E.A.T.
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You continually fail to understand that the preseason does not matter. League games are what matters.
Del Oro managed to finish 4th in a league that is top 7 in the State with a 3-3 record. That's good enough to get in.
And as Clint Eastwood once said "deserve has got nothing to do with it".
You're sure stuck in this 'deserve' mentality. Fact is, they made the playoffs based upon pre-determined criteria. So, in that regard, they did deserve to go.
And you're wrong on the strength of the league. It's still rated top 7 in the State. But that's not very good in jimmyz's world, is it?
Haven't done the research on it, but could Del Oro travel to Antelope next week? Antelope just capped an undefeated regular season.
Good question, Streak. I would think Antelope would have a good shot at the #1 seed in D2 -- unless a team such as Grant Union was pushed down into the same bracket. Assume for a moment that Antelope does get the #1 seed, I really don't see the committee assigning the #16 seed to Del Oro despite the 4-6 record. Considering that DO comes from the SFL, I think they might get a 14 or even 13 seed. That wouldn't be too cool if Antelope had to face a team the caliber of DO in the 1st round. I'm not suggesting that they couldn't win, but it wouldn't be a coast game for sure.
I think they have to go by wins in seeding for the most part, right? If so, Antelope would be ahead of Grant. I wouldn't seed Del Oro that low either. One year, Del Oro faced Yuba City when YC was a "2 seed." Del Oro went up there and won handily.
Now, that Del Oro team was better than this one and Antelope is better than this YC team. Just throwing it out there.
Now, that Del Oro team was better than this one and Antelope is better than this YC team. Just throwing it out there.
Does Del Oro deserve to be in playoffs at 4-6? Who knows...only time will tell right. But, lets be realistic...they are one of the best 72 teams. If they played in any other league outside the Delta, they are league champs. I am not sure you realize how tough the SFL is. I feel bad for Woodcreek. Woodcreek is 8-0 in nonleague the last 2 years and 2-10 in SFL. They cant get into the playoffs because you have to beat either Folsom, Del Oro, Granite Bay or Oak Ridge....4 of the top 10 teams year in and year out. Do we really think Kennedy at 8-2 and getting beat by Burbank 65-12 is a better or more deserving team than Woodcreek? All of you that think that the SFL doesnt deserve 5-6 automatic berths should volunteer to transfer to the SFL. Not many going to volunteer to do that, because they would end up in the Woodcreek situation. Antelope went 10-0....what is their record in the SFL? Do they finish higher thatn GB at 5th? I would say 6th or 7th...Woodcreek would give them a battle. So, relax on not giving SFL the respect it deserves.
Agree with the Legend, would not want to pull DO in playoffs! If you go by record to determine quality of team, DO is more like a 4-2 team in league considering what happened at Oak Ridge and a 6-3-1 team overall considering last second losses to Bellarmine and Punahou in preseason (with a loss to De La Salle thrown in!). The SFL is very tough. Records can fool you!
Exactly RunningRon. DO is in arguably the best league in Norcal and one of the best in the state. How many D1 kids have come out of this league the last few years? I was telling a friend of mine some of the games I watch there are future college stars and pro's playing. Its like college football. Not many leagues can say that. DO punishes themselves which I've been a little critical of but there playoff record says otherwise. Should be a lot of fun this playoffs.
If the CIF section, in this case SJS section, rules allow DO into the playoffs, then they deserve it. You can argue the win/loss record all day long but that is not what makes a team deserving of playoffs if the rules allow otherwise.
Yes, they do. This is far from the first time that a sub .500 team has made the postseason. It happens every single year. And Del Oro will not be the only one. There will be several. That's what happens when you have 70+ teams in the various postseason fields. When I played, my team missed the playoffs with a 7-3 and 4-2 record because the field was much smaller. That hasn't been the case for quite a while now, so I really don't understand the criticism or outcry from some. This is nothing new. Hell, we should feel fortunate that it's not worse. I've seen other sections/States where teams have got into the playoffs with a 1-9 record. Although I think we've had some 3-7 teams make it in the SJS.
In Del Oro's case, unlike many of the other sub .500 teams from much weaker leagues, they played an elite level schedule (from a SJS perspective) and would arguably have a 10-0, 9-1 or 8-2 record if playing Antelope's schedule.
As others have pointed out, records can be deceiving. But regardless what anyone thinks, the CIF/SJS have designated 2 league wins as playoff eligible as well as a 4th place finish in the SFL. The Golden Eagles met all the prerequisites and are "deserving" by that criteria. There's no debating that.
Great point here. Woodcreek would likely have a stellar record had they played in another league. They've been in the SFL since their inception and have never finished with a record over .500, although they have made the postseason before. The biggest reason is the depth of good teams they have to face.
Funny, but when listening to part of the Rocklin v. Nevada Union game on KNCO 830 last night, the announcers were talking about NU actually considering leaving the SFL and going independent for a year. They wouldn't be playoff eligible, but the argument was that they won't make the playoffs in the SFL anyway. I guess once they go independent for a season, they would be free to join another league later on. Not sure if that's true, but it does go to show how tough the league is and that the cellar dwellers are realizing that they could fare much better elsewhere.
Agreed. The SFL is no joke. I feel bad for Woodcreek and Nevada Union.
Sorry to quote myself, but another noteworthy example popped into my head after I posted this.
In 1996, Nevada Union missed the postseason with a 9-1 record. How crazy is that?
They finished in a 3-way tie with Del Campo and Grant at 5-1 in the CAL. Back then, the SJS rotated which leagues had their top 3 teams earn playoff births and the CAL only had 2 that season. NU lost a 3-way coin flip and missed the postseason.
The Miners only loss was a last-second 33-32 loss to Del Campo (Matt Barnes). They beat Grant Union 21-19 and that was widely considered the best Pacers team of the modern era (Chad Elliott, Donte Stallworth, Onterrio Smith). Grant went on to win SJS D1 that season.
As for the Miners, that 1996 team was among their better teams ever and they didn't even get to play in a postseason game.
These millennial teams have it so much easier.
Whitney can sling it. Rodrigues has thrown for 40+ TD's and has two WR's with 16+ TD receptions. But I'm not sure the Wildcats can match DO on the lines. Whitney beat Rocklin (who dominated the Golden Eagles) but every is aware by now that the Thunder was missing Hatada, Holtz, Floyd and several other key players in that game.
Del Oro is playing better of late so I'd certainly give them the edge, but I don't think it's impossible for Whitney to surprise. They nearly upset Oak Ridge early in the season.
Del Oro is playing better of late so I'd certainly give them the edge, but I don't think it's impossible for Whitney to surprise. They nearly upset Oak Ridge early in the season.
The math does line up for the section, but I also think it is a better way of doing it. As long as the teams didn't play during the regular season, it is fun getting games like Del Oro-Whitney and St. Mary's-Stagg.
Whitney has some athletes and Rodrigues has put up huge numbers this year. Statistically he might have the best numbers in the section. And its not like Whitney played chop liver either. (OR, Consumes Oaks, Antelope, Rocklin). One thing I noticed with Whitney is they have some speed. Kids like #13 Kraft who is only a soph. Not saying that DO isn't going to win but don't be surprised if whitney hangs around.
Well First, DO has to get by Whitney but then they WILL be tested by Wood for sure. DO can't match Woods speed, not even close. Does DO get knocked out of the post season for the second year in a row by a MEL #2 best team, another team from Vacaville to boot? Should be interesting to see how DO's tough preseason schedule pans out for them in the playoffs this season. They are battle tested, there is no doubt about that. Has Wood prepared for the playoffs with their pre-league schedule? As we all know there are only 3 teams in MEL that challenge your skills as opponents. Wood beat one and lost to the other so it stands to be seen. Both teams must first overcome playoff week 1 opponents. Whitney has a punchers chance to beat DO albiet it slim, American Canyon has no chance in hell to beat Wood as they gave up 70 points to Wood in week 4 and 42 of those were in the first half. The SJS playoff committee must agree that AC does not deserve to even be in the playoffs but qualified with a three way tie. The committee saw fit to end ACs playoff dreams first round by scheduling Wood to cremate the murdered body they left in Vallejo week 4 lol.
With DO, they will roll Whitney. Outside of NU, probably the least physical team they will play all year. Whitney is really week on defense and with enough tape, they are surprising teams like they did early. DO and Wood will be a test, but DO could just as easy run through the entire bracket. I guess that's why they actually play the games. Heck, we could see all SFL finals in both D1 and D2. Hope not, but they are good teams.
Every season and game can be different, but Whitney is 0-3 all-time against Del Oro (all playoff games) and the closest they've come is 17 points.
That said, this is the best offense Whitney has fielded since the 2011 matchup and Del Oro is nowhere near as good as they were then.
If we're betting chili burgers from the snack bar, I'd take Del Oro by 10 but I wouldn't be shocked if Whitney made a game of it and pulled off the upset. I'm just not super confident in this Golden Eagles team. They are certainly battle tested, but very jekyll and hyde too.
That said, this is the best offense Whitney has fielded since the 2011 matchup and Del Oro is nowhere near as good as they were then.
If we're betting chili burgers from the snack bar, I'd take Del Oro by 10 but I wouldn't be shocked if Whitney made a game of it and pulled off the upset. I'm just not super confident in this Golden Eagles team. They are certainly battle tested, but very jekyll and hyde too.
I will take DO 35-21. I think its a game until the 3rd and then DO wears them down. DO will have all the confidence after beating Granite Bay and getting into the playoffs. They are hungry and tested. I don't see Whitney pulling the upset but it will be a good 1st round HS game.
To the Legend's point, DO has gotta be hungry - they've dropped some close games late against top ranked opponents....they appear to have a much improved run game, hallmark of their typical great coaching to keep players on the rise throughout the season....Whitney is athletic and knows how to compete, and they won't back down......it will be physical for sure, but will depend on who gets tired first!
All things aside I am surprised that the CIF awards playoff spots to two schools both on probation? WHS with 3 violations in FB alone...
TR....I made mention of the RHS suspensions early in the season pertaining to the WHS win over RHS. Your comment was that doesn't matter, you have to play with what you got. I am good with that but it seems you retract on that comment with the "everyone knows they where missing players" comment?
WHS has some linemen that I think are being over looked. They also sport 4 soph's starting....the upside is good for a few years.
TR....I made mention of the RHS suspensions early in the season pertaining to the WHS win over RHS. Your comment was that doesn't matter, you have to play with what you got. I am good with that but it seems you retract on that comment with the "everyone knows they where missing players" comment?
WHS has some linemen that I think are being over looked. They also sport 4 soph's starting....the upside is good for a few years.
I'm not sure where your confusion lies. It's a simple acknowledgement of the truth. Yes, I gave Whitney credit for winning the game under the circumstances. Rocklin wasn't deep or good enough to win the game with the players they had on the field that night. But I believe most, myself included, believe that the outcome would have been different had Rocklin not been without their injured/suspended players. When talking about a Whitney v. Del Oro matchup and the common opponents they've faced, it's a relevant factor to bring up.
Not to detract, but that same bracket has some other good games -- how about the Granite Bay-Downey matchup or the Grant-Beyer game? Thinking Beyer may wanna stay home! Downey has always been up and down, and considering their losses GB has a legit shot. Based on what Wood has done, see them rolling, seems like a Grant-Wood semi waiting to happen.
