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DLS vs Folsom

sammyswordsman said:
100%

Also the polls are LAZY and don't factor in common sense. CalHI Sports is one of the worst offenders.

For Example DLS gets dropped for losing to #9 SFA while Folsom gets moved up the same week for rolling #1079 Del Oro.

Anyone knows that if the opponnent's were switched that Folsom would have taken the "L" too.

It's not about w/l records. A teams value is better correlated to quality of opponnent.

Now as DLS continues to roll, both St. Francis and Folsom will ride the swell up to rankings. St. Francis may be a one hit wonder anyway. They should have boatraced #701 Valley Christian but gave up 27 points instead
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Exactly!!!…. If you Beat The #1 Team in Nor Cal and You are Undefeated, Then you are #1 until someone Beats You….

That is Common Sense….. 🤣

I am with you on SF…. I believe Serra is the Top Team in Nor Cal and will Beat SF and win the Section and be undefeated and go to the open…..

Serra is getting no Hype or rankings push because their Schedule is so Awful this year which really stinks…. To Me their schedule should keep them out of the Open is DLS wins out since Serra didn’t Beat DLS, SF Beat DLS…. Serra should have scheduled DLS or a Top So Cal Team to show how good they are….

That Being said, I think Serra will get The Open and That is Just Fine…. It is a Thriving Program with 225 kids and They have great Lines, tons of Speed and a Fantastic 3 Star Dual Threat QB who is a 3 year starter…..

I have no Doubt if Serra and DLS played, Serra would win This year and they may be a Real a powerhouse going forward….
 
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THEOC89 said:
Exactly!!!…. If you Beat The #1 Team in Nor Cal and You are Undefeated, Then you are #1 until someone Beats You….

That is Common Sense….. 🤣

I am with you on SF…. I believe Serra is the Top Team in Nor Cal and will Beat SF and win the Section and be undefeated and go to the open…..

Serra is getting no Hype or rankings push because their Schedule is so Awful this year which really stinks…. To Me their schedule should keep them out of the Open is DLS wins out since Serra didn’t Beat DLS, SF Beat DLS…. Serra should have scheduled DLS or a Top So Cal Team to show how good they are….

That Being said, I think Serra will get The Open and That is Just Fine…. It is a Thriving Program with 225 kids and They have great Lines, tons of Speed and a Fantastic 3 Star Dual Threat QB who is a 3 year starter…..

I have no Doubt if Serra and DLS played, Serra would win This year and they may be a Real a powerhouse going forward….
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They dominate the Peninsula. Not only has the demographics hurt the public’s but Serra has all the players. Even kids from Excelsior/Crocker/HP and Daly City are heading down there instead of Riordan. They should schedule DLS yearly. Would be awesome.
 
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THEOC89 said:
Cal preps also Projected SDCC and Folsom to Beat DLS so as usual Cal Preps doesnt know Football…. 🤣
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Usually by about now CalPreps is pretty decent. I think the preseason rankings are still hurting their algorithm, last year teams played very few games if any plus manly league opponents only is still hurting CalPreps.
 
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ararar said:
I disagree Sammy
Once they realized what type of game they were in and how it had to be played in the second half we had a 7-3 game.
If they understood that from the KO we would have had a much more competitive game
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The Problem with that logic is DLS had a huge lead and if you’ve ever played or coached in a game with a big league it’s not uncommon to try to just play a little more conservative because the outcome was already determined. There was never a doubt who the better team was and the score wasn’t even close. Perfect game plan by DLS.

Also can’t recall who said it but this is the weakest SFL I’ve ever seen. I’ve said it all year. The worse OR team I’ve seen in 20 years. DO is bad, Whitney is lousy, grant is poo, GB and OR are average. Rocklin and Folsom. That’s it.
 
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larry legend33 said:
The Problem with that logic is DLS had a huge lead and if you’ve ever played or coached in a game with a big league it’s not uncommon to try to just play a little more conservative because the outcome was already determined. There was never a doubt who the better team was and the score wasn’t even close. Perfect game plan by DLS.

Also can’t recall who said it but this is the weakest SFL I’ve ever seen. I’ve said it all year. The worse OR team I’ve seen in 20 years. DO is bad, Whitney is lousy, grant is poo, GB and OR are average. Rocklin and Folsom. That’s it.
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Still the best public school league in NorCal. EBAL minus DLS is pretty good though. BVAL is way down minus Pitt. North Bay League has 3 good teams and the rest are small school mediocre quality.
 
larry legend33 said:
The Problem with that logic is DLS had a huge lead and if you’ve ever played or coached in a game with a big league it’s not uncommon to try to just play a little more conservative
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So throwing the ball for a TD is DLS playing conservative?
 
sammyswordsman said:
Also - How does Calpreps still have Folsom ranked higher than DLS? That was a total beat down. I hope this adjusts by Tuesday. LAZY
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This point is where a lot of people get hung up with CalPreps - they see this system as a ranking system instead of a rating system. It is supposed to view the schedule results in whole to come up with rating for each team. You can't tell me you think DLS has performed to its top level all season, can you? And when Folsom plays upper middle teams to step on the TD throttle to the final play of the game just to get higher points and player stats, it affects systems like Calpreps. Even though margin points have a cut-off level, if that margin limit is hit every game, it affects the ratings. The only ranking type rule CalPreps has, according to my understanding, is that a no-loss team must stay above all other teams it played. But if the system was designed to always have teams ranked above all other teams they beat, pretty soon, the system would bog down to conflicts that would make ratings (or rankings) meaningless.

That being said, there is no doubt DLS should be RANKED above Folsom.
 
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FBAddict said:
This point is where a lot of people get hung up with CalPreps - they see this system as a ranking system instead of a rating system. It is supposed to view the schedule results in whole to come up with rating for each team. You can't tell me you think DLS has performed to its top level all season, can you? And when Folsom plays upper middle teams to step on the TD throttle to the final play of the game just to get higher points and player stats, it affects systems like Calpreps. Even though margin points have a cut-off level, if that margin limit is hit every game, it affects the ratings. The only ranking type rule CalPreps has, according to my understanding, is that a no-loss team must stay above all other teams it played. But if the system was designed to always have teams ranked above all other teams they beat, pretty soon, the system would bog down to conflicts that would make ratings (or rankings) meaningless.

That being said, there is no doubt DLS should be RANKED above Folsom.
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There is also no doubt that DLS should be rated above Folsom as well. Folsom lost to (2) loss DLS. and has no Top 100 wins. The teams that DLS lost to only lost 1 game combined.
 
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larry legend33 said:
Glad you mentioned this. Regardless of who you are DLS rarely gives up points. BTW I had the +- at 49 which was still high. Many thought Folsom would hang all these points but looks at the facts. Only 3 QBs have thrown for 4 tds against DLS. One was kid from St Frances academy who will be. 5 star prospect (if he isn’t Already) and 2 others were pros. They are just super stingy.
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This is The Truth!…. And unless you are a D1 All Star Team, you have to Run The Ball and Be Committed to the Run and keep the score down to Beat DLS….

SFMV was gashing DLS on Run Plays which opened up their passing game all night…. I think the SFMV QB threw maybe 15 passes and 2 or 3 were TD’s including the game winner…. SDCC’s D1 RB had 150 yards rushing but SDCC tried to Force the pass and threw 3 picks which turned the game….

I think Folsom’s QB threw the Ball 40-50 time’s, DLS will shut down your offense if you are 1 Demensional…. They always have too much Team Speed….

Just look at Cen10… They are 1-4 against DLS and have lost every wide open High Scoring Game…. The game they beat DLS was like 21-17….
 
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MC415 said:
Folsom rather lose their one game a year to DLS and play the 1AA title game against a San Diego team so they can claim their state title instead of getting a chance to get running clocked by MD or SJB
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Isn't it likely that it SF MV or Serra get the Open Game nod that DLS would go to the 1AA title game?
 
CaliforniaFan24 said:
Isn't it likely that it SF MV or Serra get the Open Game nod that DLS would go to the 1AA title game?
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The way this will likely play out is as long as SF wins Their Section and has no more then 1 loss they will be in the Open…

If Serra Goes Undefeated, winning their section they are in The Open…. I think This will happen because They are Nor Cal’s Best Team this year in my opinion….

DLS Needs Serra to Lose a League Game and Serra or another team besides SF to win that Section….

If Folsom Can Manage to Win Their Section, which they haven’t since 2018, Then they will be in the Play in game for D1A or D1AA depending on what the committee does with the Central CA Champ….

Folsom is exactly where they want to Be… 🤣
 
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ararar said:
WCAL champ open
DLS D1AA
Folsom D1A
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Or DLS and Folsom meet again in D1AA.

Its not clear to me what will happen if Serra beats SF and wins out to championship. One would assume that Serra would go to open but this little jig could allow DLS back into the Open spot. If SF wins WCAL and CCS D1 they will go to Open. But statistically the WCAL champion will trade punches with the runner up in CCS playoffs. Then there is the dark horse Los Gatos lingering in the wings. I doubt VC is good enough to contend by the end of the season, but it is possible.
 
FBAddict said:
Or DLS and Folsom meet again in D1AA.

Its not clear to me what will happen if Serra beats SF and wins out to championship. One would assume that Serra would go to open but this little jig could allow DLS back into the Open spot. If SF wins WCAL and CCS D1 they will go to Open. But statistically the WCAL champion will trade punches with the runner up in CCS playoffs. Then there is the dark horse Los Gatos lingering in the wings. I doubt VC is good enough to contend by the end of the season, but it is possible.
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I think a possible scenario is De La Salle winning out (2 losses), Folsom winning out (1 loss) and Serra/St. Francis split the regular seaosn finale and playoff matchup. Who goes to Open?
 
Streak One said:
I think a possible scenario is De La Salle winning out (2 losses), Folsom winning out (1 loss) and Serra/St. Francis split the regular seaosn finale and playoff matchup. Who goes to Open?
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The criteria rules for selection have not changed for 2021. They are as follows:
a. Win-Loss Record (Preseason, League, Section Playoffs)
b. Strength of Schedule (Preseason, League, Section Playoffs)
c. Head to Head Competition
d. Common Opponents
e. Opponents Win-Loss Record
f. Various rankings may be consulted when placing teams (i.e. ScorebookLive, Cal-Hi Sports, Cal Preps)
g. Suitability to represent the State in a Bowl Championship with regards to Pursuing Victory with Honor and acceptable standards of sportsmanship.

According to these rules, an undefeated Serra will most likely got to Open. They will have zero losses and have a have the edge over DLS for common opponents (SF).

An undefeated SF will also go straight to Open. They will have zero losses and have an edge over DLS for head to head.

A one loss SF will be more of a challenge but probably gets the edge over DLS for head to head.

A one loss Serra gets even more challenging but again should get the edge over DLS because of a better record and a win over a common opponent. But they will have a loss to that common opponent too. So possibly DLS' SOS will give a sight advantage in this case. This assumes that SF and Serra will meet again in the playoffs. If somehow another team takes out SF in the playoffs and Serra wins the title, I would say DLS might be chosen for Open.

If another team, say an undefeated LG wins the title, I think they need to have beat SF directly for it to have a impact according to these rules. They might get the open bid simple because of win/loss and overcoming SF. But the chances for DLS get even stronger.

I think Folsom will not get selected in any case unless DLS falters which is not likely.

DLS's best chance is for selection is their SOS and the possibly SF/Serra get overly entangled.

I don't see any other division championship to challenge except if Rocklin beats Folsom - I've heard they are D2 but I don't know if that is true. They might get consideration in that case.
 
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Streak One said:
I think a possible scenario is De La Salle winning out (2 losses), Folsom winning out (1 loss) and Serra/St. Francis split the regular seaosn finale and playoff matchup. Who goes to Open?
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DLS goes to the open if Serra wins the section. If SF wins the section, SF goes open. The regular season SF/Serra game won't matter for bowl games, IMO.

Right now, most believe that SF caught DLS in that 1 out of 1,000 chance. If SF wins the section, all the naysayers won't matter. SF would earn it on the field.
 
Big leads are tough to manage sometimes. I (and others) knew that play call was coming a quarter before it happened. It was just simply a matter of time considering the Folsom defensive scheme.
 
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sammyswordsman said:
There is also no doubt that DLS should be rated above Folsom as well. Folsom lost to (2) loss DLS. and has no Top 100 wins. The teams that DLS lost to only lost 1 game combined.
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…and that one loss was to Aquinas. That STA/ SFA game was legit. I’m pretty sure that if Mcyntyre started against STA, SFA would be undefeated. That kid will be playing power 5 on Saturdays. No doubt.
 
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I agree. Shouldn't have added them. I've been going over scenarios with those four teams going into this last week. Forgot to mentally delete Folsom
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You are mentally exhausted from the million Folsom post. I’m excited for the rocklin game. Any update on Folsom qb?
 
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I haven't heard anything about him. I don't want to speculate on injury, but that was a huge hit.
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Yeah. He’s a tough kid and a heck of a player. If he’s a no go this game just got very interesting. Folsom does have a heavily recruited 6”6 kid playing JV but I don’t know if they bring him up as a frosh
 
I hope you’re right. I also heard that it was a separated shoulder. If it was dislocated, it can be reduced, wait a few weeks for the swelling to go down, and get back out there for the playoffs. If it’s separated, different ballgame. I had a grade 2 (of 3) separation of my off-shoulder (I played hockey), and it was awful and frustrating. Took about 4 months before I could even think about take a hit on that shoulder. He’s probably done for the season of its separated. Let’s pray that it’s not. They’ll need him for the playoffs especially if they see DLS down the stretch. Damn, that was a hard hit. The camera followed the ball, so we didn’t get to see the full hit, but you KNEW that he was in trouble as it was happening. Tough kid. Praying for him.
 
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FBAddict said:
This point is where a lot of people get hung up with CalPreps - they see this system as a ranking system instead of a rating system. It is supposed to view the schedule results in whole to come up with rating for each team. You can't tell me you think DLS has performed to its top level all season, can you? And when Folsom plays upper middle teams to step on the TD throttle to the final play of the game just to get higher points and player stats, it affects systems like Calpreps. Even though margin points have a cut-off level, if that margin limit is hit every game, it affects the ratings. The only ranking type rule CalPreps has, according to my understanding, is that a no-loss team must stay above all other teams it played. But if the system was designed to always have teams ranked above all other teams they beat, pretty soon, the system would bog down to conflicts that would make ratings (or rankings) meaningless.

That being said, there is no doubt DLS should be RANKED above Folsom.
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Soooo where should Folsom be RATED now? All your gibberish was a big nothing burger
 
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