EBAL Mountain - NCS Semifinals D1 & D2

[observer22]

The EBAL Mountain rarely gets mentioned among the top leagues in NorCal, but they’ve got a solid group of teams. Last night’s results saw victories in all 5 games, allowing a total of just 30 points. Not bad.

California (4-0) 12 - Heritage 3
San Ramon Valley (3-1) 49 - Freedom 18
De La Salle (4-1) 35 - Buchanan 0
Clayton Valley (3-1) 35 - Canyon Springs 6
Monte Vista (3-1) 27 - Bishop O’Dowd 3

 

[ThunderRam]

The EBAL Mountain rarely gets mentioned among the top leagues in NorCal, but they’ve got a solid group of teams. Last night’s results saw victories in all 5 games, allowing a total of just 30 points. Not bad.

California (4-0) 12 - Heritage 3
San Ramon Valley (3-1) 49 - Freedom 18
De La Salle (4-1) 35 - Buchanan 0
Clayton Valley (3-1) 35 - Canyon Springs 6
Monte Vista (3-1) 27 - Bishop O’Dowd 3

Any league with DLS as a member is worthy of mention. CVC has clearly been another top NorCal program in recent years. The others have had their moments over the past 20 years and are usually considered strong programs on the whole. It is a very good league.

 

[pantera-cat]

While I do agree, the EBAL Mountain is the best in NCS, this last weeks opponents were like the SEC playing against FCS schools. And on top of that, their combined record is 4-18.

 

[observer22]

While I do agree, the EBAL Mountain is the best in NCS, this last weeks opponents were like the SEC playing against FCS schools. And on top of that, their combined record is 4-18.

4-18, but a good number of those losses were to EBAL-Mountain schools. No one thought BOD or Freedom would be this bad this season.

Most of these teams had winning and successful seasons last year, except Heritage.
Freedom 9-4, Buchanan 10-3, Canyon Springs 7-4 & BOD 11-2. It’s a little harsh to call them FCS schools.

 

[pantera-cat]

4-18, but a good number of those losses were to EBAL-Mountain schools. No one thought BOD or Freedom would be this bad this season.

Most of these teams had winning and successful seasons last year, except Heritage.
Freedom 9-4, Buchanan 10-3, Canyon Springs 7-4 & BOD 11-2. It’s a little harsh to call them FCS schools.

You are correct and I apologize. It happens sometimes, this past week the Mountain caught all these schools in a down year.

 

[Truthhertz]

4-18, but a good number of those losses were to EBAL-Mountain schools. No one thought BOD or Freedom would be this bad this season.

Most of these teams had winning and successful seasons last year, except Heritage.
Freedom 9-4, Buchanan 10-3, Canyon Springs 7-4 & BOD 11-2. It’s a little harsh to call them FCS schools.

Freedom has been on the decline for a couple of years since coaching change and Rivers and company graduated. Buchanan played without their best player and a top 5 player in the country. Canyon Springs just isn’t good period and in no way a challenge for a quality Ca. Program. And yes BOD is having a poor season but also probably bit off more than they can chew with schedule. FCS comment wasn’t harsh it was based in reality frankly.

 

[observer22]

Currently CalPreps has the EBAL-Mountain as the 4th rated league In CA after 5 weeks.

http://calpreps.com/2019/ratings/California_leagues.htm

 

[Truthhertz]

Currently CalPreps has the EBAL-Mountain as the 4th rated league In CA after 5 weeks.

To which I say “so what” look at last line it’s strength of none league schedule! And that number isn’t very impressive for a 4th ranked league now is it! In fact it looks like they are in fact playing a “FCS” type schedule right? That 4th rank is based purely on wins and losses as well, clearly strength of schedule isn’t being factored in. And if it is it’s minimal, and DLS would be carrying that stat not anybody else.

 

[observer22]

Just sayin.

 

[Truthhertz]

Just sayin.

I’m just saying as well, not sure why you would take exception to the FCS comment when it seems fairly valid.

 

[observer22]

I’m just saying as well, not sure why you would take exception to the FCS comment when it seems fairly valid.

I really don’t care about the teams he referred to as FCS. My point was that they had been winning teams record wise the year prior. The CalPreps rating was a separate post, and although everyone knows CalPreps is more accurate as more games are played during the season, it was still interesting to see the league rated 4th in the state. You can pick it apart all you want and criticize their competition, but they still had a pretty good non-league run this year. Had CVC and/or MV been able to beat Liberty instead of losing tight heartbreakers, it would have been even better. SRV’s shellacking by MT is really the only bad loss of the 5 the league had. 2 OT losses, MV’s 24-21 loss to Liberty and DLS’ 10 pt loss to STA being the other 4.

 

[Truthhertz]

I really don’t care about the teams he referred to as FCS. My point was that they had been winning teams record wise the year prior. The CalPreps rating was a separate post, and although everyone knows CalPreps is more accurate as more games are played during the season, it was still interesting to see the league rated 4th in the state. You can pick it apart all you want and criticize their competition, but they still had a pretty good non-league run this year. Had CVC and/or MV been able to beat Liberty instead of losing tight heartbreakers, it would have been even better. SRV’s shellacking by MT is really the only bad loss of the 5 the league had. 2 OT losses, MV’s 24-21 loss to Liberty and DLS’ 10 pt loss to STA being the other 4.

Point is the Teams not named DLS have played nobody to speak of. Liberty is the headline opponent for two teams not named DLS and both lost. Come on man, Has CVC played or beat a team with a winning record? DLS played the number 1 team in the nation and I believe a top 20 teams in the nation and look at the strength of none league opponents for the league? You take DLS out of equation and saying it’s like playing FCS is exaggerated. I’m not knocking anything I’m just putting it into perspective. Look it’s great everybody won and they are ranked 4th but reality is..........only DLS is going anywhere. (Scratch that thought I forgot CVC got bumped down again they will make some noise at D2 where they probably shouldn’t be)

 

[observer22]

Again, you can criticize their competition or scheduling, but is a solid league top to bottom. There are no weak teams that most leagues have. I find it laughable that people always want to take DLS out of the league or out of NCS. They are part of it and a very large part of the strength of the league. Ask the kids that line up to play them every season.

The old EBAL was a pretty good league back when DLS was in the BVAL. With the addition of DLS in 2008 and CVC this year, and the relegation of the Livermore schools, Dublin, AV and Dougherty to the EBAL Valley league, it just makes the EBAL Mountain a very solid league, one of the top leagues in NorCal.

 

[HereWeGo2019]

Point is the Teams not named DLS have played nobody to speak of. Liberty is the headline opponent for two teams not named DLS and both lost. Come on man, Has CVC played or beat a team with a winning record? DLS played the number 1 team in the nation and I believe a top 20 teams in the nation and look at the strength of none league opponents for the league? You take DLS out of equation and saying it’s like playing FCS is exaggerated. I’m not knocking anything I’m just putting it into perspective. Look it’s great everybody won and they are ranked 4th but reality is..........only DLS is going anywhere. (Scratch that thought I forgot CVC got bumped down again they will make some noise at D2 where they probably shouldn’t be)

They just didn’t win this year they win year in and out. And always put a solid product on the field with many of its players going D1. Just because they don’t travel to Florida or Texas, or charge tuition doesnt take away from the fact the league isn’t just good, it’s very good. Maybe one weak spot in the group of em and that remains yet to be seen. Would be interested to hear which leagues in NorCal are more top to bottom competitive?

 

[Truthhertz]

I find it laughable that people always want to take DLS out of the league or out of NCS.

Care to share where exactly I imply take DLS should be out of the league? Somebody’s feelings are hurt for pointing out the obvious here I guess. I simply pointed out without DLS none league scheduling the strength of schedule for a quote “elite” league would be pathetic. That in no way means I think they should be forced out of the league. And I didn’t criticize anybody in praticular just pointed out the FCS opponents comment made by another poster wasn’t so far fetched.

 

[observer22]

I’m sorry for the hurt feelings. Not literally taken out of the league. And while I do consider Sparty “elite”, I’m not sure who you are quoting, as I said it was “a very solid league, one of the top leagues in NorCal”. Relax.

 

[Truthhertz]

I’m sorry for the hurt feelings. Not literally taken out of the league. And while I do consider Sparty “elite”, I’m not sure who you are quoting, as I said it was “a very solid league, one of the top leagues in NorCal”. Relax.

I quoted you! And you continue to pontificate about how they are the #4 League in Ca. By most measures that would mean elite based on number of leagues Ca has. You also took offense to poster pointing out they haven’t really played anybody or a “FCS” type schedule. At which point I pointed out their none league strength of schedule ranking as not very good and if you drop DLS from that equation it is pathetic. So yes a league that’s has some decent teams not challenging themselves has managed to get a number 4 league rank basically, bravo. Also the league is rarely mentioned because most who follow see this group of teams (minus DLS) doesn’t step out and really challenge themselves outside their own league.

 

[observer22]

Find where I said they were “elite”. That’s not my quote. You’re looking for things that aren’t there. I don’t care if the schedules are weak in your eyes. This ain’t one of the Folsom threads. I never said they were the 4th best league, but CalPreps had them 4thin their flawed system. Do I think they’re 4th best? No. Just a very good league in NorCal, with the top team in NorCal and some other nice teams. And they won all their games last night, so a nice 24-5 non-league ledger. Let it go.

 

[Truthhertz]

Find where I said they were “elite”. That’s not my quote. You’re looking for things that aren’t there. I don’t care if the schedules are weak in your eyes. This ain’t one of the Folsom threads. I never said they were the 4th best league, but CalPreps had them 4thin their flawed system. Do I think they’re 4th best? No. Just a very good league in NorCal, with the top team in NorCal and some other nice teams. And they won all their games last night, so a nice 24-5 non-league ledger. Let it go.

You are pathetic. So a quick review.

1.Poster makes FCS comment
2.Your feelings get hurt
3.Poster apologizes
4.I say comment seems valid
5.You sight calpreps 4th rank to prove point
6.I point out strength of scheduling why they rank there
7.Your feelings get hurt again over term “elite” you don’t like this term. But then go on and say it’s a “very good” league. (Which would mean elite)
8.You now say you don’t think it’s a 4th ranked league calpreps does and is flawed etc. (yet you sight them anyway)
9. You sight 25-4 non league record to further back your opinion.
10. That record is a direct reflection of that original “FCS” comment and scheduling.
11. Look I’m not knocking any program or league here. I’m just putting things in perspective here. I do agree this league and many others don’t seem to generate much talk. There are also many teams that fly under the radar that are doing nice things that don’t get much publicity here. But it needs to be in perspective.

 

[1315]

@#19- a less than insightful citing what everybody knows makes posts irrelevant on this site.

I don’t have to defend O22; he’s a big boy and knows how to handle a blindside, something a 2018 newbie wouldn’t get.

He’s a voice of reason on NCP and contributes plenty in a most informative, positive, non-inflammatory method. Something we could all learn from. A short scan of his postings would prove so. Others? Not so much.

 

[SpeedCity51]

You are pathetic. So a quick review.

1.Poster makes FCS comment
2.Your feelings get hurt
3.Poster apologizes
4.I say comment seems valid
5.You sight calpreps 4th rank to prove point
6.I point out strength of scheduling why they rank there
7.Your feelings get hurt again over term “elite” you don’t like this term. But then go on and say it’s a “very good” league. (Which would mean elite)
8.You now say you don’t think it’s a 4th ranked league calpreps does and is flawed etc. (yet you sight them anyway)
9. You sight 25-4 non league record to further back your opinion.
10. That record is a direct reflection of that original “FCS” comment and scheduling.
11. Look I’m not knocking any program or league here. I’m just putting things in perspective here. I do agree this league and many others don’t seem to generate much talk. There are also many teams that fly under the radar that are doing nice things that don’t get much publicity here. But it needs to be in perspective.

I don’t really understand why you’re so upset. This is a message board for Northern California football, and you are taking exception with someone for giving props to the, at WORST, 3rd best league in Nor Cal? If you are worried about other leagues “not generating much talk” then start a thread about them, nobody is stopping you.

 

[pantera-cat]

Obviously my FCS comment stirred the pot. I feel Truth understands where I was coming from and I did not intend to belittle any school. When you look at the pre season schedules and last years records the Mountain schools opponents look pretty solid. But as we approach mid season most of those opponents are struggling bad, really bad.
Outside of DLS, the Mountain is hanging it’s hat on a win over Turlock as it’s highest quality win, which will struggle to reach the second round in the SJS playoffs. Next best win is over a 4th place SFL Granite Bay. Nobody could have guessed this kind of fall off for all these schools, just don’t come on here pounding your chest with how great their record is or how many points they gave up. Hence, the FCS reference for THIS years quality of opponents.

 

[observer22]

Obviously my FCS comment stirred the pot. I feel Truth understands where I was coming from and I did not intend to belittle any school. When you look at the pre season schedules and last years records the Mountain schools opponents look pretty solid. But as we approach mid season most of those opponents are struggling bad, really bad.
Outside of DLS, the Mountain is hanging it’s hat on a win over Turlock as it’s highest quality win, which will struggle to reach the second round in the SJS playoffs. Next best win is over a 4th place SFL Granite Bay. Nobody could have guessed this kind of fall off for all these schools, just don’t come on here pounding your chest with how great their record is or how many points they gave up. Hence, the FCS reference for THIS years quality of opponents.

Like I said, knock their schedule and opponents all you want. Whether they can be considered FBS or not makes no difference. The fact remains this is a very good league, from top to bottom. Nothing more, not “elite” or even aspiring to be. Those are Folsom thread thoughts that should have gone away long ago. No need for hate or excessive negativity on here. Can’t we all just get along?

 

[Truthhertz]

I don’t really understand why you’re so upset. This is a message board for Northern California football, and you are taking exception with someone for giving props to the, at WORST, 3rd best league in Nor Cal? If you are worried about other leagues “not generating much talk” then start a thread about them, nobody is stopping you.

I’m not upset I think it laughable dude is all over the map here.

 

[Truthhertz]

Like I said, knock their schedule and opponents all you want. Whether they can be considered FBS or not makes no difference. The fact remains this is a very good league, from top to bottom. Nothing more, not “elite” or even aspiring to be. Those are Folsom thread thoughts that should have gone away long ago. No need for hate or excessive negativity on here. Can’t we all just get along?

“Very good” is “elite” in my opinion. To further beat that horse since it chaps your hide. I think Ca. Has 125ish leagues in the state, the mountain is ranked 4th by calpreps and you. That means the are in the top 5% which would qualify as elite is most anything in life.

 

[observer22]

“Very good” is “elite” in my opinion. To further beat that horse since it chaps your hide. I think Ca. Has 125ish leagues in the state, the mountain is ranked 4th by calpreps and you. That means the are in the top 5% which would qualify as elite is most anything in life.

Let it go dude.

 

[Truthhertz]

 

[Truthhertz]

something a 2018 newbie wouldn’t get.

By no means a “newbie” bud. Unfortunately there’s many sensitive posters on NCP and when they don’t like a post/poster they run to the hall monitor, and he will ban said poster if they don’t kiss the ring so to speak. I don’t kiss rings if you get my drift. I do find it funny you would judge a poster based on post count, date of screen name etc....but ignore say likes in relation to posts. I mean I would think if people like your comments at a high rate maybe they view you as a positive poster. ✌️

 

[SpeedCity51]

I’m not upset I think it laughable dude is all over the map here.

He doesn’t seem all over the map at all to me. He just said the EBAL is a really good league. It is. I don’t know why there is a drawn out semantics argument over wether or not Observer was claiming they are “elite”. I mean... what difference does it make?

 

[Truthhertz]

He doesn’t seem all over the map at all to me. He just said the EBAL is a really good league. It is. I don’t know why there is a drawn out semantics argument over wether or not Observer was claiming they are “elite”. I mean... what difference does it make?

It doesn’t make a difference honestly ask him. He is trying to walk away from the term elite, yet is fine using “very good” To me it’s one in the same. But if that doesn’t make him all over the map then maybe using a source to back his position while claiming Said source uses a flawed system should.

 

[observer22]

Take a deep breath, and walk away from your computer.

 

[1315]

I knew “newbie”’d get him...We KNOW who you were/are, Einstein! I don’t “judge” posters here. If someone has interesting points, better yet - humor (hey C17)- then yeah, publish.

Again, convince us neophytes how 300+ over a year ISNT “kissing the ring!” LOL

 

[observer22]

EBAL Mountain games this week as we head into league play:

Clayton Valley Charter at California, CVC by 20
De La Salle at Monte Vista, DLS by 30
Foothill at San Ramon Valley, SRV by 14

 

[observer22]

2 huge upsets tonight as the EBAL Mountain began league play, as the league’s 2 lowest rated teams came up big. There are no weak teams in this league.

Cal High spoiled CVC’s first ever EBAL Mountain league game by completely shutting them down 17-14. CVC only scored once on the Grizz defense, as their 2nd TD was a 70+ yard punt return. Welcome to the league.

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/1...ia-gives-clayton-valley-rude-welcome-to-ebal/

Foothill ruined SRV’s homecoming by hammering them 23-3.

And in the one game that went as expected, DLS throttled MV 49-14.

 

[HereWeGo2019]

2 huge upsets tonight as the EBAL Mountain began league play, as the league’s 2 lowest rated teams came up big. There are no weak teams in this league.

Cal High spoiled CVC’s first ever EBAL Mountain league game by completely shutting them down 17-14. CVC only scored once on the Grizz defense, as their 2nd TD was a 70+ yard punt return. Welcome to the league.

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/1...ia-gives-clayton-valley-rude-welcome-to-ebal/

Foothill ruined SRV’s homecoming by hammering them 23-3.

And in the one game that went as expected, DLS throttled MV 49-14.

Wasn’t at the DLS game but following score stream it looked like a game in the first half? At least that’s what the score indicated

 

[kiddman32]

Wasn’t at the DLS game but following score stream it looked like a game in the first half? At least that’s what the score indicated

Yes, it was... MV moved the ball really well vs. the DLS defense in the first half, and made a great goal-line stand in the last seconds of the first half to keep it close, especially considering that MV got the ball to start the 2nd half.

I think that, when MV went 3-and-out on that 3rd-quarter possession and DLS capitalized with a 2-play TD drive, the Mustangs had to start trying to force it... And that, well... was that.

 

[observer22]

DLS 70 - Cal 7
MV 35 - Foothill 29
SRV 23 - CVC 16

CVC now 0-2 in the EBAL Mountain, and still has to play MV, Foothill & DLS.

 

[Truthhertz]

DLS 70 - Cal 7
MV 35 - Foothill 29
SRV 23 - CVC 16

CVC now 0-2 in the EBAL Mountain, and still has to play MV, Foothill & DLS.

Looks like they have a good shot at going defeated in new league. If that happens or say they go 1-4 do they still go to playoffs? I suppose they would since they are D2 right? Last in league good enough for a playoff birth?

 

[observer22]

Looks like they have a good shot at going defeated in new league. If that happens or say they go 1-4 do they still go to playoffs? I suppose they would since they are D2 right? Last in league good enough for a playoff birth?

I don’t know if 4-6 would get them in. NCS requires being at least .500 in at least one of these areas:

1) Overall
2) In league
3) Vs teams in your division (2).

So if they are say 1-1 or maybe 1-0 vs. D2 teams, they could still qualify. And would likely still be a top 4 seed. Foothill is actually also a D2 team this year, so that CVC-Foothill game could be a huge game for the Uglies.

 

[Truthhertz]

I don’t know if 4-6 would get them in. NCS requires being at least .500 in at least one of these areas:

1) Overall
2) In league
3) Vs teams in your division (2).

So if they are say 1-1 or maybe 1-0 vs. D2 teams, they could still qualify. And would likely still be a top 4 seed. Foothill is actually also a D2 team this year, so that CVC-Foothill game could be a huge game for the Uglies.

Interesting, not sure of their schedule but I wonder how many other D2 teams they have a actually played? I don’t think Berkeley is so Foothill might be only D2 team they would face. That would make that game huge if what you’re saying is correct.