Folsom O vs DLS D - Question

[Rmbr26]

Reading the previous threads and trying to get by the "Fans minutia" I am trying to figure out who is dominant on each side of the ball - "plain & simpal" as they say.

Many knowledgeable posters have chimed in & since I'm not an expert on either Folsom or the Spartans I have a couple simple questions to ask same fans for a bit more insight.

Folsom has more "O" starters returning than the Green Machine such as their QB, RB, & top WR. DLS returns their QB, but not top RB or WR & loses 4 OL's to graduation which is a big hole to fill. Both teams had 10-0 JV teams so I suspect the team upgrading from the better JV team will have an advantage. One DLS poster indicated the offense for the Spartans will be improved over last season and my simple question is how based upon what they lost? [please correct me if incorrect on any of above players returning].

In terms of D both teams return most of their starting core. For 2017 both teams played a similar strength of schedule and both teams allowed about the same number of points - with Folsom allowing slightly more while DLS had the slightly tougher schedule - edge DLS.

So Folsom would appear to be the better team on offense while DLS may have the edge on defense.
My main question is why does anyone think either team is clearly favored? One fan states this DLS team is the best team the Spartans will field in a number of year's & I'm trying to figure out the basis for their statement - several starting skill players from last season's O gone along with 4 starting OL's. Was the Spartan's JV that good to reload at all those positions and be even better than last years' starter's? Many fans make statements & I'm simply trying to understand the basis for those statements to better understand the teams.

Sooo.. Folsom's O is clearly better than last season - is their D with 7 starters returning better as well?

DLS with returning QB & new top RB & WR along with 4 new OL better than last season?
D looks to be solid, but clearly better than last season which gave up an avg of 17 PPG?

Based upon above it looks to be Folsom's "O" vs DLS "D". Let me know if I'm wrong..

 

[SpartanzRule]

All valid inquiries.

I have my opinion on Folsom, but I’ll leave that out if this. I’ll let the Folsom contingent explain that side.

The DLS offense will be much better than last year. Why? First, you are correct that their QB is returning. But...he is now playing SS. The Spartans have a new soph QB who will make them much better immediately. He’s being mentored by a transfer stud QB from Northgate who plays the same way. It’s almost unheard of for a soph to unseat a senior at DLS at any position let alone QB, but this happened. The Spartans are high on him. I’ve seen him play and practice. He’s good. Just the fact that this kid is a strong runner, has a strong arm, can throw accurately on the run or from the pocket, makes the veer much more dangerous. They’ll have a strong RB contingent.

The OL is replacing several starters. But this is normal for DLS. Typically the OL is senior heavy every year. This OL will be big and physical. All saw plenty of PT last year. Several of the seniors will be going both ways on OL/DL and they’re adding a 6-5 275 kid to the OL. And the center, who’s usually smallish, is 6-1 240 and is a good athlete. The JV had a pretty darn good OL last year as well. They’ll be deep.

The defense will be very strong. The front seven are all seniors and they’re pretty much all going to be playing on Saturdays. In terms of talent, physicality, and speed, this DLS defense will be unlike any THIS Folsom team has seen in my humble opinion.

This team had lots of experience including about 4-5 3 year starters. This is all why I think DLS will be better this year and why they’ll win this game.

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

They also have 4 star + athletes on offense that play both ways - Henry To'oto'o 6'2" 220 LB/RB 4.6 (a 4-5 star), with 20 + offers including Alabama, Michigan, most of the Pac 12 and Isaiah Foskey 6'5" 240 Senior TE/DE 4.7, (a 4-5 star) with 28 plus offers including Alabama, Clemson, LSU, Michigan, most of the Pac 12. They have plenty of athletic WR targets and the line will reload on offense. Defense front seven is very dominating and quick. They will be the best Folsom has seen and I anticipate are going to disrupt the Folsom offense. Watched film on all the teams Folsom played that had film and DLS quickness and physicality on defense isn't anything like Folsom has seen.Folsom offense is tough to match up against if you haven't seen it and the DLS coaches now have plenty of time defending it and did quite well before. DLS will need some people to step up and there are no indications they wont with the classes and athletes they have. DLS athletes will match up with Folsoms and DLS line should be very physical and quick.

 

[cashisking18]

Folsom has strong returning starters on both sides of the ball. I will list all of Folsom's best, along with current offers and commitments, as well as some info on both sides of the ball. Folsom currently has 4 players with big time offers, and 8 players with lower level D1 or below offers.

Joe Ngata, WR: Committed to Clemson. Offers from Alabama, Michgan, Nebraska, Oregon, and every other big program in the country. Will play on Sundays.

Kaiden Bennett, QB: Offers from Utah, UTEP, Boise State, Sac State, UC Davis, San Diego State

Elijah Badger, WR: Michigan, Nebraska, Arizona, Oregon, Florida, Colorado, Oregon State, USC. 20 plus offers

Daniyel Ngata, RB: Notre Dame, Michigan, Alabama, Washington, Oregon, San Diego State. 20 plus offers

Parker Clayton: DB, WR: Offers from USD, Columbia, Nevada

Kaden Richardson, OL/DL: Offers from UC Davis, Southern Oregon. Much more to come for him.

Tyler Hardeman, OL/DL: Offers from USD, Columbia, Fresno State

Caleb Nelson, WR/DB: Sac State, North Dakota, Boise State, San Jose State

Joe Wagner, OL/DL: Sac State

CJ Hutton, WR/DB: UC Davis

Chandon Pierre, OL/DL: Sac State

Gavin Davis-Smith, WR/DB: San Jose State, Sac State

***This only a snapshot of the offers for this team. There are many more and too many too list. I was hoping to provide a highlight of the offers for these 12 players. More will obviously roll in as the year goes on.

As you can see, a bulk of Folsom's offensive and defensive lineman go both ways. They return pretty much everyone from last years State Title team. They are bigger, stronger, and faster on the lines that they were last year. Look for this team to be even more explosive than last year. I personally think their weak spot is at linebacker. They are not as big and fast at that position as DLS will be. But, if the DL can get consistent stops, it could make things extremely interesting.

Offensively, we know what we are getting from Folsom. The BIG FOUR (Ngata 1, Ngata 2, Bennett, and Badger) will be a force and Folsom will look to get the ball to these guys in space. Since Bennett is a dual threat QB, it will add a new dynamic to this match up that we didn't see in the other two against DLS. Browning was a pocket passer and DLS feasted on him, which disrupted the entire offense. It remains to be seen how DLS will play Bennett, since this will be a bit tougher match up for them. The Folsom offense is extremely versatile. Contrary to popular belief, Folsom is one of the most balanced teams in the entire state, running and passing the ball. Most people seem to think Folsom is slinging it 60 times a game in a spread offense. This is simply not true. Most games, Folsom threw it between 30-40 times, while also running it 30-40 times. Combine this with a dual QB, and it will greatly limit DLSs strategy to throw the kitchen sink at the QB and hope for the best. My guess is that DLS spy's Bennett and tries to force him to make mistakes by throwing into coverage. I don't think DLS will double cover Joe Ngata the entire game, due to all the other weapons. This will make it VERY interesting to see if Bennett will have enough time to get him the ball. Simply stated- if he gets the ball, it is over.

I think defensively, the advantage goes to DLS. But, I don't think this is by as wide of a margin as people think. We will see.

I think offensively, Folsom has a big advantage. If they can put up a bunch of points early, and get a few stops, it could force DLS into throwing more often with a young and inexperienced QB, who could make mistakes. Or, DLS could ride or die with the veer. I think a little of both personally.

While Folsom and DLS have a similar SoS last year, and played equally well against a common opponent (Central), I think DLS did PLAY a few better teams last year, in which they lost every one in convincing fashion. Does this mean Folsom is better? No. Does this mean DLS is better? No. I think last year, they are VERY even, solely based on the tale of the tape. But, to infer that DLS would have an advantage because they LOST to better teams, is far fetched.

I am obviously bias, but I will say that I feel that Folsom is actually more talented and deeper than DLS is. Does that matter? No. DLSs scheme will also give them advantages, combined with the fact they are playing at home. That will matter.

Lastly- How come no one gives the kicking game any love!? This could make a SERIOUS difference! Folsom kicked Bryce Bucks has been booting it from close to 60 on a consistent basis. In a game that could be close, this could be the difference! See video below.

I don't see a blowout either way. My guess is 42-35 Folsom, although I wouldn't be surprised to see it 28-24 Folsom, or even the other way around.

Good luck to both teams.

Go Folsom!

 

[Rmbr26]

WoW! 3 great responses from SpartanzRule, NorCalSportsFan & cashisking.

A lot of this was missing from earlier posts about the much anticipated game upcoming, with lots of side-chatter simply arguing their teams prospects of being the favored team. SpartanzRule explained the DLS QB situation which is a huge transition and very unusual for a soph to replace a senior returning QB at any school let alone DLS [when's the last time that happened?]. "SR" also did a good job of explaining the starting O-Line replacing 4 starters from last season. We knew the Spartan D would be solid with 7 returning starters and now know the front 7 includes several 3-year varsity players which is an important fact. A solid D with a revised offense and new multi-faceted athlete-type QB translates that the Green Machine offense will be anything but anemic.

NorCalSportsFan as usual contributed good knowledge and his assessment of DLS with a big target at TE who doubles at DE and good talent at the WR positions for the new QB. As NorCal points out the DLS experienced front 7 on D has a lot of speed/quickness which could be a factor in disrupting & containing the explosive Folsom offense.

I am still reading the response from cashisking who provided everything about Folsom except the team play-book for the upcoming game. Fabulous post & I am saving to read more thoroughly later today when more time. I now feel I have the game program with which to make myself familiar with the Bulldogs entire team. Thanks cashisking for your effort in putting together such a complete post for all the fans outside the immediate circle of Folsom.
Wonderful posts from all 3 responders!!

Not yet had the time, but need to look more at the 2 teams JV squads from last season. Both JV teams went 10-0 which goes to show what a gold mine of talent is at both these schools in terms of talented up & coming players. Wonder how many of those JV players last season could have started on other HS varsity teams? [am guessing more than a few..].

 

[cashisking18]

WoW! 3 great responses from SpartanzRule, NorCalSportsFan & cashisking.

A lot of this was missing from earlier posts about the much anticipated game upcoming, with lots of side-chatter simply arguing their teams prospects of being the favored team. SpartanzRule explained the DLS QB situation which is a huge transition and very unusual for a soph to replace a senior returning QB at any school let alone DLS [when's the last time that happened?]. "SR" also did a good job of explaining the starting O-Line replacing 4 starters from last season. We knew the Spartan D would be solid with 7 returning starters and now know the front 7 includes several 3-year varsity players which is an important fact. A solid D with a revised offense and new multi-faceted athlete-type QB translates that the Green Machine offense will be anything but anemic.

NorCalSportsFan as usual contributed good knowledge and his assessment of DLS with a big target at TE who doubles at DE and good talent at the WR positions for the new QB. As NorCal points out the DLS experienced front 7 on D has a lot of speed/quickness which could be a factor in disrupting & containing the explosive Folsom offense.

I am still reading the response from cashisking who provided everything about Folsom except the team play-book for the upcoming game. Fabulous post & I am saving to read more thoroughly later today when more time. I now feel I have the game program with which to make myself familiar with the Bulldogs entire team. Thanks cashisking for your effort in putting together such a complete post for all the fans outside the immediate circle of Folsom.
Wonderful posts from all 3 responders!!

Not yet had the time, but need to look more at the 2 teams JV squads from last season. Both JV teams went 10-0 which goes to show what a gold mine of talent is at both these schools in terms of talented up & coming players. Wonder how many of those JV players last season could have started on other HS varsity teams? [am guessing more than a few..].

Thanks @Rmbr26 !

Glad I could help!

 

[14U2ALLNV]

Folsom has strong returning starters on both sides of the ball. I will list all of Folsom's best, along with current offers and commitments, as well as some info on both sides of the ball. Folsom currently has 4 players with big time offers, and 8 players with lower level D1 or below offers.

Joe Ngata, WR: Committed to Clemson. Offers from Alabama, Michgan, Nebraska, Oregon, and every other big program in the country. Will play on Sundays.

Kaiden Bennett, QB: Offers from Utah, UTEP, Boise State, Sac State, UC Davis, San Diego State

Elijah Badger, WR: Michigan, Nebraska, Arizona, Oregon, Florida, Colorado, Oregon State, USC. 20 plus offers

Daniyel Ngata, RB: Notre Dame, Michigan, Alabama, Washington, Oregon, San Diego State. 20 plus offers

Parker Clayton: DB, WR: Offers from USD, Columbia, Nevada

Kaden Richardson, OL/DL: Offers from UC Davis, Southern Oregon. Much more to come for him.

Tyler Hardeman, OL/DL: Offers from USD, Columbia, Fresno State

Caleb Nelson, WR/DB: Sac State, North Dakota, Boise State, San Jose State

Joe Wagner, OL/DL: Sac State

CJ Hutton, WR/DB: UC Davis

Chandon Pierre, OL/DL: Sac State

Gavin Davis-Smith, WR/DB: San Jose State, Sac State

***This only a snapshot of the offers for this team. There are many more and too many too list. I was hoping to provide a highlight of the offers for these 12 players. More will obviously roll in as the year goes on.

As you can see, a bulk of Folsom's offensive and defensive lineman go both ways. They return pretty much everyone from last years State Title team. They are bigger, stronger, and faster on the lines that they were last year. Look for this team to be even more explosive than last year. I personally think their weak spot is at linebacker. They are not as big and fast at that position as DLS will be. But, if the DL can get consistent stops, it could make things extremely interesting.

Offensively, we know what we are getting from Folsom. The BIG FOUR (Ngata 1, Ngata 2, Bennett, and Badger) will be a force and Folsom will look to get the ball to these guys in space. Since Bennett is a dual threat QB, it will add a new dynamic to this match up that we didn't see in the other two against DLS. Browning was a pocket passer and DLS feasted on him, which disrupted the entire offense. It remains to be seen how DLS will play Bennett, since this will be a bit tougher match up for them. The Folsom offense is extremely versatile. Contrary to popular belief, Folsom is one of the most balanced teams in the entire state, running and passing the ball. Most people seem to think Folsom is slinging it 60 times a game in a spread offense. This is simply not true. Most games, Folsom threw it between 30-40 times, while also running it 30-40 times. Combine this with a dual QB, and it will greatly limit DLSs strategy to throw the kitchen sink at the QB and hope for the best. My guess is that DLS spy's Bennett and tries to force him to make mistakes by throwing into coverage. I don't think DLS will double cover Joe Ngata the entire game, due to all the other weapons. This will make it VERY interesting to see if Bennett will have enough time to get him the ball. Simply stated- if he gets the ball, it is over.

I think defensively, the advantage goes to DLS. But, I don't think this is by as wide of a margin as people think. We will see.

I think offensively, Folsom has a big advantage. If they can put up a bunch of points early, and get a few stops, it could force DLS into throwing more often with a young and inexperienced QB, who could make mistakes. Or, DLS could ride or die with the veer. I think a little of both personally.

While Folsom and DLS have a similar SoS last year, and played equally well against a common opponent (Central), I think DLS did PLAY a few better teams last year, in which they lost every one in convincing fashion. Does this mean Folsom is better? No. Does this mean DLS is better? No. I think last year, they are VERY even, solely based on the tale of the tape. But, to infer that DLS would have an advantage because they LOST to better teams, is far fetched.

I am obviously bias, but I will say that I feel that Folsom is actually more talented and deeper than DLS is. Does that matter? No. DLSs scheme will also give them advantages, combined with the fact they are playing at home. That will matter.

Lastly- How come no one gives the kicking game any love!? This could make a SERIOUS difference! Folsom kicked Bryce Bucks has been booting it from close to 60 on a consistent basis. In a game that could be close, this could be the difference! See video below.

I don't see a blowout either way. My guess is 42-35 Folsom, although I wouldn't be surprised to see it 28-24 Folsom, or even the other way around.

Good luck to both teams.

Go Folsom!

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I will never understand a Folsom fan. One statement in this post voids any credibility of the whole post. The Folsom Bulldogs have never ever ever ever never even close to ever never ever had a similar sos then that of DLS. Never ever never anywhere close. How can you say even if you were just joking that they played anyone close to SJC, BG, or MD. I for life of me can’t believe you would say something like that.

Folsom does have one of the top offenses in the country. And I have seen the scouting report that was passed out to the players. In 2017 Folsom passed the ball 68% and ran the ball 32%. So unless they have change there offensive scheme From last year, they definitely pass more then run. Let me tell you this DLS defense is good. Probably the best LB core in the country. They will get there stops. And Folsom will have success. While I can’t wait to see Folsom offense vs DLS defense. I don’t feel this is where the game will be won or lost. I think it comes down to DLS’s O vs Folsom’s D.

To say Folsom will score 40+ points against DLS is like saying DLS will slap another running clock on Folsom. It’s just not going to happen.

Back to sos. Never ever ever ever never even close to ever. Can I be anymore clear?

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

cashisking made a nice assessment of Folsom. DLS kicking game will also be very good. It looks like it will be a very good game especially to start the season. I took a week off to camp and will be getting back a day early to get to the game.

 

[ILOVETROJANFOOTBALL]

The Spartans have a new soph QB who will make them much better immediately. He’s being mentored by a transfer stud QB from Northgate who plays the same way. It’s almost unheard of for a soph to unseat a senior at DLS at any position let alone QB, but this happened.

I thought I read another post that the senior would sit until late September and then start after that.

Whichever guy, Folsom better cover the DLS TE.

 

[ILOVETROJANFOOTBALL]

who provided everything about Folsom except the team play-book

LOL....too much information

 

[cashisking18]

It has been said by a few DLS posters that Folsom plays nobody and the SOSs are "not close." I'd like to point out the 2017 facts, not the banter.

DLS: 55.7
Folsom: 48.6

Not exactly the "huge difference" proclaimed by certain posters. I'd rather deal in facts and not banter and trollism.

The Calpreps computer generated rankings had Folsom higher than DLS at the end of last year.

While the DLS posters would like you to think the strength of schedule for DLS is 100 and strength of schedule for Folsom is 1, the fact is that this is simply not true.

Cant wait for less than 2 weeks!

 

[joebl]

It has been said by a few DLS posters that Folsom plays nobody and the SOSs are "not close." I'd like to point out the 2017 facts, not the banter.

DLS: 55.7
Folsom: 48.6

Not exactly the "huge difference" proclaimed by certain posters. I'd rather deal in facts and not banter and trollism.

The Calpreps computer generated rankings had Folsom higher than DLS at the end of last year.

While the DLS posters would like you to think the strength of schedule for DLS is 100 and strength of schedule for Folsom is 1, the fact is that this is simply not true.

Cant wait for less than 2 weeks!

I dont think it is fair to compare DLS and Folsom schedules in the past. There is little comparison. When looking at SOS, you have to look at the top teams not the average over a season. If you compare the average of the top 5 opponents for each school in 2017: DLS: 70.5 Folsom: 56.72 That is a pretty large difference in top team SoS. Although Folsom fans could point out DLS 3-2 record against those top 5.

Previous years' SoS is meaningless at this point, as we get a game to watch instead of comparing Stats in 2018!

 

[cashisking18]

Although Folsom fans could point out DLS 3-2 record against those top 5.

Exactly.

And good thing is that SoS is calculated against the entire year and all opponents. Not just the ones you want to count and not count.

 

[Humbab]

It has been said by a few DLS posters that Folsom plays nobody and the SOSs are "not close." I'd like to point out the 2017 facts, not the banter.

DLS: 55.7
Folsom: 48.6

Not exactly the "huge difference" proclaimed by certain posters. I'd rather deal in facts and not banter and trollism.

The Calpreps computer generated rankings had Folsom higher than DLS at the end of last year.

While the DLS posters would like you to think the strength of schedule for DLS is 100 and strength of schedule for Folsom is 1, the fact is that this is simply not true.

Cant wait for less than 2 weeks!

I hate to agree with envy but they aren’t close with regards to sos. 55.7 vs 48.6 in terms of ranking is a pretty big difference. However the rest of your post is pretty good. I like Folsoms chances. Although I don’t believe they will put up 40 points. That defense is just to good. But this Folsom team is full of play makers. And they are so athletic and the most entertaining offense in HSFB imo. They can do so many different things with running, passing, screens, and on and on. Where, and this is just my opinion dls is boring with the veer right and the veer left. While it is effective I would have a hard time watching there games week in and week out. Folsoms offense is a kegger party while dls’s is a quiet night at home reading “ Bridges of Madison county”. That’s just my opinion. DLS’s offense is made to control the clock and keep the score down. So I do think it will be a lower scoring game.
My heart says Folsom 21-17. I’m not going to say where my money is. Because I’m not betting and I don’t want to think that way. I’m starting to get real excited.

 

[cashisking18]

I hate to agree with envy but they aren’t close with regards to sos. 55.7 vs 48.6 in terms of ranking is a pretty big difference. However the rest of your post is pretty good. I like Folsoms chances. Although I don’t believe they will put up 40 points. That defense is just to good. But this Folsom team is full of play makers. And they are so athletic and the most entertaining offense in HSFB imo. They can do so many different things with running, passing, screens, and on and on. Where, and this is just my opinion dls is boring with the veer right and the veer left. While it is effective I would have a hard time watching there games week in and week out. Folsoms offense is a kegger party while dls’s is a quiet night at home reading “ Bridges over Madison county”. That’s just my opinion. DLS’s offense is made to control the clock and keep the score down. So I do think it will be a lower scoring game.
My heart says Folsom 21-17. I’m not going to say where my money is. Because I’m not betting and I don’t want to think that way. I’m starting to get real excited.

Haha good assessment! Cant wait!

Kegger party versus night at home reading lol

 

[cashisking18]

This is not rocket science fellas. DLS played a few very weak teams which brought their SOS down. For the most part Folsom played above average ‘local teams’. Those local teams would lose by 70 to MD, BG, SJ (dc). Running clock name the score. DLS and SJ were even. MD was 3 levels above DLS. BG was 2. There are levels to everything fellas. The point to note is Folsom did not play any team close to elite in 2017. Their best win was Helix who lost to a Paraclete team who was not Top 20 in S. Cal. Helix beat nobody. MD would have beaten Helix by 70 if they wanted. Men against boys. Now DLS’ best win was SJ. Pittsburg was a solid win by 17 points also. Pittsburg was better than Helix, hands down. Note that Pitt beat GB by more than Folsom did.

The real winner of this game could actually be the loser. The winner gets to face SJB in Dec and get running clocked.

Welcome to the discussion.

Good honest assessment.

We can debate SoS all we want. But DLS signature win was St Johns. Was St John's better than Folsom? Depends on who you ask and what ranking system you go by. Calpreps says no.

The bottom line is they had one common opponent. Score was virtually the same to the left or right.

None of it matters. Less than 2 weeks until destiny!

 

[cashisking18]

if Folsom wins vs DLS they get SJB. They are not ready for SJB. We are talking running clock embarrassment.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Folsom is focused on week 0 and that's it. If they are fortunate enough to get past that, they have another big game on the road against Chaminade in SoCal.

Long way to go before talking about running clocks.......on any given Sunday..........

 

[EBALISBEAST]

HYPE MACHINE IS ROLLLING!!! LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[observer22]

if Folsom wins vs DLS they get SJB. They are not ready for SJB. We are talking running clock embarrassment.

I thought the NorCal Open regional final was reestablished (“Folsom Rule” dropped) for this year? Or is that the coming year? Either way, both teams must win out and beat teams like Pitt and the WCAL champ before facing SJB, and SJB must win out as well.

A lot of good football ahead, starting in just 11 days. Both teams are completely loaded (especially off you listen to their boosters) so it should be a barn burner. No excuses for the loser and still a lot of hard work ahead for both teams. It’s not winner gets SJB, but it’s a great start to the season.

 

[14U2ALLNV]

Welcome to the discussion.

Good honest assessment.

We can debate SoS all we want. But DLS signature win was St Johns. Was St John's better than Folsom? Depends on who you ask and what ranking system you go by. Calpreps says no.

The bottom line is they had one common opponent. Score was virtually the same to the left or right.

None of it matters. Less than 2 weeks until destiny!

I don’t want to get into with you but no sos is NOT debatable. Nobody said anything about quality wins or common opponents. I do respect the fact that you are the true definition of a Folsom fan. And you did have some good points ( that was hard to say). And since you have already claimed victory. And I’m sure we will never see or hear from you again after the game. I would like the first piece of humble pie and say congratulations on a fine win. Boy I didn’t see it coming. I’ll take my piece ala mode.

 

[Streak One]

Great intitial post @Rmbr26

Here are some of my quick thoughts:

I think this is a pretty even matchup. Probably the most even one going in for a NorCal team against DLS that I can remember in the past decade (they've had close calls but those were more surprises IMO)

Folsom's offense is loaded but can they withstand the front four pressure of DLS? To me this is the game. If they can, then their offense stays on track and it becomes a shootout that favors Folsom. Bennett is more of a runner than Browning so he can extend plays better but is not the same level of thrower as Browning. If they can't, I think DLS gets enough stops and pounds out the game on the ground (I don't think Folsom can match up well enough with their physicality).

 

[cashisking18]

I thought the NorCal Open regional final was reestablished (“Folsom Rule” dropped) for this year? Or is that the coming year? Either way, both teams must win out and beat teams like Pitt and the WCAL champ before facing SJB, and SJB must win out as well.

A lot of good football ahead, starting in just 11 days. Both teams are completely loaded (especially off you listen to their boosters) so it should be a barn burner. No excuses for the loser and still a lot of hard work ahead for both teams. It’s not winner gets SJB, but it’s a great start to the season.

The rule remains the same this year. This game is sort of the defacto open title game lol

 

[cashisking18]

I would like the first piece of humble pie and say congratulations on a fine win. Boy I didn’t see it coming. I’ll take my piece ala mode.

Good one! I like pie.

I will be eating that same pie ala mode if we lose as well! Probably that, combined with a 12 pack may drown my sorrows away lol

 

[14U2ALLNV]

Good one! I like pie.

I will be eating that same pie ala mode if we lose as well! Probably that, combined with a 12 pack may drown my sorrows away lol

I think for the first time I have to laugh and dare I say like a cashisking18 post.

 

[DLSPop1314]

Reading the previous threads and trying to get by the "Fans minutia" I am trying to figure out who is dominant on each side of the ball - "plain & simpal" as they say.

Many knowledgeable posters have chimed in & since I'm not an expert on either Folsom or the Spartans I have a couple simple questions to ask same fans for a bit more insight.

Folsom has more "O" starters returning than the Green Machine such as their QB, RB, & top WR. DLS returns their QB, but not top RB or WR & loses 4 OL's to graduation which is a big hole to fill. Both teams had 10-0 JV teams so I suspect the team upgrading from the better JV team will have an advantage. One DLS poster indicated the offense for the Spartans will be improved over last season and my simple question is how based upon what they lost? [please correct me if incorrect on any of above players returning].

In terms of D both teams return most of their starting core. For 2017 both teams played a similar strength of schedule and both teams allowed about the same number of points - with Folsom allowing slightly more while DLS had the slightly tougher schedule - edge DLS.

So Folsom would appear to be the better team on offense while DLS may have the edge on defense.
My main question is why does anyone think either team is clearly favored? One fan states this DLS team is the best team the Spartans will field in a number of year's & I'm trying to figure out the basis for their statement - several starting skill players from last season's O gone along with 4 starting OL's. Was the Spartan's JV that good to reload at all those positions and be even better than last years' starter's? Many fans make statements & I'm simply trying to understand the basis for those statements to better understand the teams.

Sooo.. Folsom's O is clearly better than last season - is their D with 7 starters returning better as well?

DLS with returning QB & new top RB & WR along with 4 new OL better than last season?
D looks to be solid, but clearly better than last season which gave up an avg of 17 PPG?

Based upon above it looks to be Folsom's "O" vs DLS "D". Let me know if I'm wrong..

Just read the OP without any of the responses yet so my knee-jerk answer has probably been covered

I think you have the gist of things but I’d clarify a few points

DLS returns their top 2 QBs but neither will take a snap — they’re turning it over to a sophomore first time starter who has a lot of people excited. I’m one of them because he COULD give DLS what they’ve been missing most since 2011 which is a dual threat offense but I’m skeptical to put so much credence in a soph starting first game especially at WB especially vs an elite national opponent

I don’t think any DLS guys are saying this team will be better than any of the ‘09-‘15 teams (6 Open championships in 7 years), but at least one enthusiastic guy is convinced that they’ll be much better than the last two years

Despite the banter I don’t think there’s many people that wouldnt honestly admit this game could go either way

 

[DLSPop1314]

It has been said by a few DLS posters that Folsom plays nobody and the SOSs are "not close." I'd like to point out the 2017 facts, not the banter.

DLS: 55.7
Folsom: 48.6

Not exactly the "huge difference" proclaimed by certain posters. I'd rather deal in facts and not banter and trollism.

The Calpreps computer generated rankings had Folsom higher than DLS at the end of last year.

While the DLS posters would like you to think the strength of schedule for DLS is 100 and strength of schedule for Folsom is 1, the fact is that this is simply not true.

Cant wait for less than 2 weeks!

You’re quoting CP SOS which measures averages

I don’t think that’s the objection as much as Folsom has never played teams like SJB, MD, BG, and SJC

The best teams Folsom has ever played are DLS ‘12 and DLS ‘13

 

[SpartanzRule]

I thought I read another post that the senior would sit until late September and then start after that.

Whichever guy, Folsom better cover the DLS TE.

Yes. The senior has to sit until week 5. That said, he will be out there practicing and showing the soph how it's done. I can assure you that unless the soph completely melts down and forgets how to play, the senior won't be starting at all this season. BUT...I can see him getting reps down the stretch and be ready for the playoffs. Maybe they go to two QBs down the stretch. Ala Cen10.

 

[cashisking18]

I can assure you that unless the soph completely melts down and forgets how to play

Interesting. is this coming from the coach?

 

[cashisking18]

You’re quoting CP SOS which measures averages

I don’t think that’s the objection as much as Folsom has never played teams like SJB, MD, BG, and SJC

The best teams Folsom has ever played are DLS ‘12 and DLS ‘13

Folsom hasn't been around long enough for teams like this to come calling generally. It was hard enough to get the two great games we got this year.

My point was not who DLS played, rather that they lost to every team that was equal or better to Folsom. The only common opponent produced the same exact outcome. That's all that really matters. Not the what's ifs

 

[DLSPop1314]

Exactly.

And good thing is that SoS is calculated against the entire year and all opponents. Not just the ones you want to count and not count.

Most elite national teams have difficulty getting more than a game or two against legitimte challenge opponents (and, for clarification, that excludes everyone else in EBAL and SFL).

Massey has a neat program that puts projected win% by each game — I’m not looking at it but for example this year, I think it had DLS at 33% v BG and 52% v Folsom and the next closest game was 95%+. Of course, whoever wins this game will get a 10% game on the end most likely.

Averages don’t matter for elites — what matters is how you do vs those teams where you are <75% or so

DLS plays a lot more of those games than Folsom — Folsom’s best team ever went 16-0 with 16 running clocks and beat their best opponent by 9 TDs — I’m not saying anything about the upcoming game but you get the concept, right? Strength at the top is really all that matters for national elite teams — DLS’s Norcal streak is testament to that — they used to schedule like Folsom but have been stepping up for about 20 years now — I think this game is great and appalaid folsom for stepping up but you’re being obtuse on SOS discussion. Props also new for scheduling chaminade although I would have liked to see a Trinity team — socal guys are highest on OLU (after the 2 monsters), suggesting they’re top 5 in state — 5* QB and WR — I’d love to see that game and have some confidence in Folsom in that hypothetical

I think Folsom got the message from everywhere they’d like to be seen to step up

You guys did this year

But it’s a new thing

 

[cashisking18]

But it’s a new thing

Folsom is a new thing. You can't compare a program with 30 years of national history to a team that is still on the rise with a little taste of national prominence. There is no comparison.

With that said- DLS shouldn't be as self conscious as they are. The streak has to end sometime. Why not be this year?

 

[Deltadodger]

It’s hard to believe a way that folsom can win knowing dls has seen better versions of what folsom will put on the field from personnel to scheme considering how sac high was every bit of a challenge for folsom (1-1) its easy to say dls offense didn’t look good in the open game or in those non league games but what other team in nor cal has made dls look like that? If folsom has a shot I think they should keep the qb on the move and use his legs and throw a lot of screens. Those are pretty good ways to neutralize a dominant defensive line. I think it comes to dls qb situation if he can make some throws I believe this game will be a blow out, but if he can’t make throws folsom could find a way to pull off the biggest upset in nor cal...rooting for folsom and sjs but we seen this before

 

[DelValleTrojan]

Folsom has strong returning starters on both sides of the ball. I will list all of Folsom's best, along with current offers and commitments, as well as some info on both sides of the ball. Folsom currently has 4 players with big time offers, and 8 players with lower level D1 or below offers.

Joe Ngata, WR: Committed to Clemson. Offers from Alabama, Michgan, Nebraska, Oregon, and every other big program in the country. Will play on Sundays.

Kaiden Bennett, QB: Offers from Utah, UTEP, Boise State, Sac State, UC Davis, San Diego State

Elijah Badger, WR: Michigan, Nebraska, Arizona, Oregon, Florida, Colorado, Oregon State, USC. 20 plus offers

Daniyel Ngata, RB: Notre Dame, Michigan, Alabama, Washington, Oregon, San Diego State. 20 plus offers

Parker Clayton: DB, WR: Offers from USD, Columbia, Nevada

Kaden Richardson, OL/DL: Offers from UC Davis, Southern Oregon. Much more to come for him.

Tyler Hardeman, OL/DL: Offers from USD, Columbia, Fresno State

Caleb Nelson, WR/DB: Sac State, North Dakota, Boise State, San Jose State

Joe Wagner, OL/DL: Sac State

CJ Hutton, WR/DB: UC Davis

Chandon Pierre, OL/DL: Sac State

Gavin Davis-Smith, WR/DB: San Jose State, Sac State

***This only a snapshot of the offers for this team. There are many more and too many too list. I was hoping to provide a highlight of the offers for these 12 players. More will obviously roll in as the year goes on.

As you can see, a bulk of Folsom's offensive and defensive lineman go both ways. They return pretty much everyone from last years State Title team. They are bigger, stronger, and faster on the lines that they were last year. Look for this team to be even more explosive than last year. I personally think their weak spot is at linebacker. They are not as big and fast at that position as DLS will be. But, if the DL can get consistent stops, it could make things extremely interesting.

Offensively, we know what we are getting from Folsom. The BIG FOUR (Ngata 1, Ngata 2, Bennett, and Badger) will be a force and Folsom will look to get the ball to these guys in space. Since Bennett is a dual threat QB, it will add a new dynamic to this match up that we didn't see in the other two against DLS. Browning was a pocket passer and DLS feasted on him, which disrupted the entire offense. It remains to be seen how DLS will play Bennett, since this will be a bit tougher match up for them. The Folsom offense is extremely versatile. Contrary to popular belief, Folsom is one of the most balanced teams in the entire state, running and passing the ball. Most people seem to think Folsom is slinging it 60 times a game in a spread offense. This is simply not true. Most games, Folsom threw it between 30-40 times, while also running it 30-40 times. Combine this with a dual QB, and it will greatly limit DLSs strategy to throw the kitchen sink at the QB and hope for the best. My guess is that DLS spy's Bennett and tries to force him to make mistakes by throwing into coverage. I don't think DLS will double cover Joe Ngata the entire game, due to all the other weapons. This will make it VERY interesting to see if Bennett will have enough time to get him the ball. Simply stated- if he gets the ball, it is over.

I think defensively, the advantage goes to DLS. But, I don't think this is by as wide of a margin as people think. We will see.

I think offensively, Folsom has a big advantage. If they can put up a bunch of points early, and get a few stops, it could force DLS into throwing more often with a young and inexperienced QB, who could make mistakes. Or, DLS could ride or die with the veer. I think a little of both personally.

While Folsom and DLS have a similar SoS last year, and played equally well against a common opponent (Central), I think DLS did PLAY a few better teams last year, in which they lost every one in convincing fashion. Does this mean Folsom is better? No. Does this mean DLS is better? No. I think last year, they are VERY even, solely based on the tale of the tape. But, to infer that DLS would have an advantage because they LOST to better teams, is far fetched.

I am obviously bias, but I will say that I feel that Folsom is actually more talented and deeper than DLS is. Does that matter? No. DLSs scheme will also give them advantages, combined with the fact they are playing at home. That will matter.

Lastly- How come no one gives the kicking game any love!? This could make a SERIOUS difference! Folsom kicked Bryce Bucks has been booting it from close to 60 on a consistent basis. In a game that could be close, this could be the difference! See video below.

I don't see a blowout either way. My guess is 42-35 Folsom, although I wouldn't be surprised to see it 28-24 Folsom, or even the other way around.

Good luck to both teams.

Go Folsom!

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Appreciate the effort you put in bringing all of us up to speed on the Folsom Football program.

11 days and counting.

 

[14U2ALLNV]

Yes. The senior has to sit until week 5. That said, he will be out there practicing and showing the soph how it's done. I can assure you that unless the soph completely melts down and forgets how to play, the senior won't be starting at all this season. BUT...I can see him getting reps down the stretch and be ready for the playoffs. Maybe they go to two QBs down the stretch. Ala Cen10.

I will say this if the senior was able to play week 0, he would still backup the soph. I’ve been to more then a dozen practices and have seen both. The sophomore is not just a little better. Head and shoulders better. Jack did not transfer for football. He wants to be an engineer and thought he had better chances at a top college by going to DLS. This game isn’t going to be won on this board. If so then Folsom would have it’s third running clock. All this posturing is fun but in 11 day one of these two team will leave OO field in prime position for the open.

 

[Humbab]

I will say this if the senior was able to play week 0, he would still backup the soph. I’ve been to more then a dozen practices and have seen both. The sophomore is not just a little better. Head and shoulders better. Jack did not transfer for football. He wants to be an engineer and thought he had better chances at a top college by going to DLS. This game isn’t going to be won on this board. If so then Folsom would have it’s third running clock. All this posturing is fun but in 11 day one of these two team will leave OO field in prime position for the open.

What in the hell make you think dls fans are winning the battle of the board. I’m not keeping score but it seems somewhat close to me.

 

[cashisking18]

What in the hell make you think dls fans are winning the battle of the board. I’m not keeping score but it seems somewhat close to me.

I personally think they took the forum board L.

About to be a bigger L in two weeks.

 

[cashisking18]

Appreciate the effort you put in bringing all of us up to speed on the Folsom Football program.

11 days and counting.

No problem. I figured why not inform my SoCal brethren on NorCals number 1 team. I figure the only thing that would have you more hyped for this game is if it involved Clayton Valley.

Why no breakdowns of SoCal teams for us? I know a few of us are looking forward to your in depth knowledge of some of the Trinity League teams.

Go Folsom!

 

[cashisking18]

SJB offered Folsom to come down to play in the new stadium. Folsom declined. They opted for a down Chaminade squad. SJB asked for week 0 also. Games were offered, but declined. Folsom dodged the Braves.

Oh really?

Who declined? Be specific.

Everyone saw a Twitter call out. That's fine and dandy. But who declined?

And what does this have to do with the DLS game? If you're going to troll, do it right and get the correct information.

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

In comparison to this game....didn't Long Beach Poly have 21 D1 players

Interesting. is this coming from the coach?

Don't recall a transfer starting at QB in a year they came to DLS. Even Joe Montana's son Nate didn't start when when transferred although I believe opted to play basketball and later joined the team and was a reserve as a senior. The next son came in after frosh year I believe and didn't start on varsity and transferred to Oaks Christian as a junior. It is tough to start at DLS as a transfer given the preciseness and focus of their offense. The transfer QB if he starts may be a first or in the least is extremely uncommon.

 

[cashisking18]

In comparison to this game....didn't Long Beach Poly have 21 D1 players

I am trying to understand the relevancy of this statement to this game here.