Holiday Scheduling

[HSWIZARD73]

This may not be popular but hey we all have opinions. But what are the big three doing with their Holiday and pre season scheduling.

Salesian: Being my son will most likely attend this school, I pull for them most, why with all the great national tournaments would they go play two teams in Hawaii at the grind session and win both games by a total of 67 points.

Riordan: Got to give Kudos to Riordan for taking on Torrey Pines. But when looking at that tourney, they are the highest national seed and nobody that they possibly will face in an open state title is in that tournament. You enter Gridley to have a tune up with Salesian, yet don’t measure against the best So Cal has to offer.


DLS: Ok you have Santa Margarita in the Chris Vontoure. And play Duncanville who is not off to the greatest start in the Hoophall. Yet the last 3 recent games you win by a combined 150 and some.

My personal opinion is when you have the horses and have the ranking, schedule the best. We say this about Folsom football all the time and how they have never stepped up to So Cal and in turn run thru their leagues.

Riordan and Salesian will easily run thru their leagues. DLS has San Ramon to contend with, but in my opinion shouldn’t be an issue. So they will all fight it out in the end and in turn not one played against any of the possible reps in the open such as Bosco, Rossevelt, Harvard Westlake and St Joseph. I want to see NorCal in the top 25 and we have two teams for sure who could have challenged themselves and may be in that discussion.

 

[ArmchairGOAT]

If I recall, Salesian played in last year's Damien Classic...Coach Mellis did want to give his kids the opportunity to go to Hawaii as he mentioned most of his kids had never been there. Salesian also plays in a number of January events inlcuding a matchup vs St. Josephs. CCS teams have a 10 game limit of non league games. Smh
Riordan's bracket had a MaxPreps #10 team in St. Xavier and several others were in the top 100. The SoCal teams in the National Division bracket (Carlsbad and JSerra) have played MD and Harvard-Westlake. JSerra plays in the Trinity league. I think this gives the teams still great competition against teams they would not have ever played as well as exposure to East Coast biased evaluators.
CIF needs to get their act together as there is a huge disparity in games played and the transfer sit out period in regards to the South vs North. JSerra had already played 13 games compared to the NorCal teams that played 6 games starting the weekend and the MD transfer became eligible for JSerra in time for Torrey Pines.

 

[HSWIZARD73]

If I recall, Salesian played in last year's Damien Classic...Coach Mellis did want to give his kids the opportunity to go to Hawaii as he mentioned most of his kids had never been there.
Riordan's bracket had a MaxPreps #10 team in St. Xavier and several others were in the top 100. The SoCal teams in the National Division bracket (Carlsbad and JSerra) have played MD and Harvard-Westlake. JSerra plays in the Trinity league. I think this gives the teams still great competition against teams they would not have ever played as well as exposure to East Coast biased evaluators.
CIF needs to get their act together as there is a huge disparity in games played and the transfer sit out period in regards to the South vs North. JSerra had already played 13 games compared to the NorCal teams that played 6 games starting the weekend and the MD transfer became eligible for JSerra in time for Torrey Pines.

You make some great points and I agree with the total games. I have noticed some records and am like damn they played way more games. On that does St Xavier deserve that rank. They lost to a now 5-5 Georgetown Prep out the gate

 

[ArmchairGOAT]

You make some great points and I agree with the total games. I have noticed some records and am like damn they played way more games. On that does St Xavier deserve that rank. They lost to a now 5-5 Georgetown Prep out the gate

And GTown Prep and Father Judge were top 100! That's why I brought up my point of East Coast bias. lol Montgomery (SD), Carlsbad and JSerra are the real deal. There's just so many SoCal teams that are just so strong and deep.

 

[HSWIZARD73]

If I recall, Salesian played in last year's Damien Classic...Coach Mellis did want to give his kids the opportunity to go to Hawaii as he mentioned most of his kids had never been there. Salesian also plays in a number of January events inlcuding a matchup vs St. Josephs. CCS teams have a 10 game limit of non league games. Smh
Riordan's bracket had a MaxPreps #10 team in St. Xavier and several others were in the top 100. The SoCal teams in the National Division bracket (Carlsbad and JSerra) have played MD and Harvard-Westlake. JSerra plays in the Trinity league. I think this gives the teams still great competition against teams they would not have ever played as well as exposure to East Coast biased evaluators.
CIF needs to get their act together as there is a huge disparity in games played and the transfer sit out period in regards to the South vs North. JSerra had already played 13 games compared to the NorCal teams that played 6 games starting the weekend and the MD transfer became eligible for JSerra in time for Torrey Pines.

As for Mellis, he is hands down the best coach to me. But why not call the Iolani and say can we get in. Taking that trip to win by a combined 67, don’t know what you take away from that when all in all they are going to destroy their league

 

[ArmchairGOAT]

As for Mellis, he is hands down the best coach to me. But why not call the Iolani and say can we get in. Taking that trip to win by a combined 67, don’t know what you take away from that when all in all they are going to destroy their league

Salesian and Riordan will also add depth next month with transfers becoming eligible. Other than Redwood (TT Carr), are there any other teams that will have impact transfers available come league play? Glad to hear Stokes is now eligible at DV. Let the kids play!

 

[short17]

If I recall, Salesian played in last year's Damien Classic...Coach Mellis did want to give his kids the opportunity to go to Hawaii as he mentioned most of his kids had never been there. Salesian also plays in a number of January events inlcuding a matchup vs St. Josephs. CCS teams have a 10 game limit of non league games. Smh
Riordan's bracket had a MaxPreps #10 team in St. Xavier and several others were in the top 100. The SoCal teams in the National Division bracket (Carlsbad and JSerra) have played MD and Harvard-Westlake. JSerra plays in the Trinity league. I think this gives the teams still great competition against teams they would not have ever played as well as exposure to East Coast biased evaluators.
CIF needs to get their act together as there is a huge disparity in games played and the transfer sit out period in regards to the South vs North. JSerra had already played 13 games compared to the NorCal teams that played 6 games starting the weekend and the MD transfer became eligible for JSerra in time for Torrey Pines.

The Southern Section starts their playoffs a week ahead of the NCS. Teams need to play their max games by then.

 

[H.E.A.T.]

As for Mellis, he is hands down the best coach to me. But why not call the Iolani and say can we get in. Taking that trip to win by a combined 67, don’t know what you take away from that when all in all they are going to destroy their league

Salesian couldn’t play in the Iolani classic as there are too many teams they aren’t allowed to play

 

[HSWIZARD73]

Salesian couldn’t play in the Iolani classic as there are too many teams they aren’t allowed to play

Another great point. But they could have played in the Damien, Les Schwab, a number of places they could have gone versus blowouts six hours across the water. And don’t get me wrong. I love Hawaii. Go there all the time.

 

[H.E.A.T.]

Another great point. But they could have played in the Damien, Les Schwab, a number of places they could have gone versus blowouts six hours across the water. And don’t get me wrong. I love Hawaii. Go there all the time.

At Torrey Pines Riordan had to hang on to beat a 3-9 St Augustine who had lost those 9 games by a combined 167 points including a 79-36 drubbing by Rosevelt.

 

[ankleassassin]

the kids wanted a chance to go to hawaii.

 

[ArmchairGOAT]

At Torrey Pines Riordan had to hang on to beat a 3-9 St Augustine who had lost those 9 games by a combined 167 points including a 79-36 drubbing by Rosevelt.

Yet they won. St. Augustine lost to some pretty strong teams and had already played 14 games to Riordan's 7. Thought SA game was going to be a letdown game because of the blowout the night before. Last night an underdog Riordan team (according to SoCal writers/scouts) grinded out to beat a Father Judge team that blew out a good Windward team by 30 the night before These are HS kids.
Btw - how good is Roosevelt this year?!? They blew out a very good Clovis North team by 32!

 

[ayalar09]

There are about 2-3 SoCal Teams that would absolutely wipe the floor with any Norcal team that includes Riordan. Roosevelt and Boscos are the first two that come to mind. Now with Stokes at ND-Sherman Oaks that would be interesting with say a Riordan, Salesian or DLS. I’m sure there are 1-2 I am missing. I think St Joseph’s would also wipe the floor with any NorCal team but will they be placed in NorCal bracket again or SoCal bracket?

As for the Hawaii trip, literally some of these kids may never go to Hawaii again. The games are almost secondary to the actual experience.

If CIF would loosen up their rules than the Iolani would be possible for a ton of CA teams. We probably could have had 2-3 teams in it and be competitive.

 

[H.E.A.T.]

Yet they won. St. Augustine lost to some pretty strong teams and had already played 14 games to Riordan's 7. Thought SA game was going to be a letdown game because of the blowout the night before. Last night an underdog Riordan team (according to SoCal writers/scouts) grinded out to beat a Father Judge team that blew out a good Windward team by 30 the night before These are HS kids.
Btw - how good is Roosevelt this year?!? They blew out a very good Clovis North team by 32!

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[Prepog]

San Ramon Valley definitely has scheduled a tough preseason…believe they got the strongest strength of schedule in the state. Very good team that will be battle tested by start of league….has played Roosevelt, Riordan, Salesian, Clovis North, Los Alamitos, Damien, Lincoln, Destiny Christian and bout to take on Sunny Slope of AZ. Taking some close losses, but I’m sure they’re hoping it’ll pay off in long run.

 

[H.E.A.T.]

As for Mellis, he is hands down the best coach to me. But why not call the Iolani and say can we get in. Taking that trip to win by a combined 67, don’t know what you take away from that when all in all they are going to destroy their league

Just curious why you think that. I’m not disagreeing with him being a fantastic coach. But To be hands down the best coach i think you need to win. The open division started in 2013. No covid in 2021 so there has been 11 opens. Salesian has only made 6. Prior to this year they Where #1 seed 3x in 2013, 2018, and 2019 going a combined 0-5 in those opens. So for first 10 years of the open he never one 1 game. This year again was 1 seed and finally got a win . Now holds an 11 year record of 2-5.

 

[larry legend33]

San Ramon Valley definitely has scheduled a tough preseason…believe they got the strongest strength of schedule in the state. Very good team that will be battle tested by start of league….has played Roosevelt, Riordan, Salesian, Clovis North, Los Alamitos, Damien, Lincoln, Destiny Christian and bout to take on Sunny Slope of AZ. Taking some close losses, but I’m sure they’re hoping it’ll pay off in long run.

For sure. Be interesting to see if they can get DLS in league. DLS is pretty loaded but they've played a bad schedule. Some real cupcakes. Even with that said they are the team to beat in NCS this year IMO. (sliver of an edge over salesian)

 

[HSWIZARD73]

San Ramon Valley definitely has scheduled a tough preseason…believe they got the strongest strength of schedule in the state. Very good team that will be battle tested by start of league….has played Roosevelt, Riordan, Salesian, Clovis North, Los Alamitos, Damien, Lincoln, Destiny Christian and bout to take on Sunny Slope of AZ. Taking some close losses, but I’m sure they’re hoping it’ll pay off in long run.

Agree 100 percent. Nobody and I mean nobody has loaded up as they have. That’s a pretty deep run.

 

[HSWIZARD73]

For sure. Be interesting to see if they can get DLS in league. DLS is pretty loaded but they've played a bad schedule. Some real cupcakes. Even with that said they are the team to beat in NCS this year IMO. (sliver of an edge over salesian)

Perfect term, cupcakes. Hell they play deer valley tomorrow. I don’t get it.

 

[larry legend33]

Perfect term, cupcakes. Hell they play deer valley tomorrow. I don’t get it.

Yeah, they may win by 70. Deer Valley is without Marcus Lee.

 

[HSWIZARD73]

Just curious why you think that. I’m not disagreeing with him being a fantastic coach. But To be hands down the best coach i think you need to win. The open division started in 2013. No covid in 2021 so there has been 11 opens. Salesian has only made 6. Prior to this year they Where #1 seed 3x in 2013, 2018, and 2019 going a combined 0-5 in those opens. So for first 10 years of the open he never one 1 game. This year again was 1 seed and finally got a win . Now holds an 11 year record of 2-5.

Because he takes a small school with a very small enrollment and they excel. His number 1 player last year is averaging a strong 1.1 points at Hawaii. While some make sure to bring up Aidan’s stats at UConn. He gets the most out of what he has. I have said it before. They may go the dorm route. And if he ever gets horses he will dominate Nor Cal.

 

[larry legend33]

Just curious why you think that. I’m not disagreeing with him being a fantastic coach. But To be hands down the best coach i think you need to win. The open division started in 2013. No covid in 2021 so there has been 11 opens. Salesian has only made 6. Prior to this year they Where #1 seed 3x in 2013, 2018, and 2019 going a combined 0-5 in those opens. So for first 10 years of the open he never one 1 game. This year again was 1 seed and finally got a win . Now holds an 11 year record of 2-5.

Why would anybody even have to defend that position? You got a real hard * for Salesian. Its like saying why do you think Dean Smith or Coach K was a great coach. Few programs get more out of their kids for one. He doesn't win with 4 star players like a lot of these programs. Hell , has he had anybody that good since Bird and Artis? Most of his guys are very low D1 and high D2 players or just good HS players. He takes an all star Harvard West Lake team to wire last year. Look at the present and not in the rear-view mirror but if you can't see how he's not a great coach that is on you.

 

[larry legend33]

Because he takes a small school with a very small enrollment and they excel. His number 1 player last year is averaging a strong 1.1 points at Hawaii. While some make sure to bring up Aidan’s stats at UConn. He gets the most out of what he has. I have said it before. They may go the dorm route. And if he ever gets horses he will dominate Nor Cal.

Amen.

 

[Eastbayhoops]

Why would anybody even have to defend that position? You got a real hard * for Salesian. Its like saying why do you think Dean Smith or Coach K was a great coach. Few programs get more out of their kids for one. He doesn't win with 4 star players like a lot of these programs. Hell , has he had anybody that good since Bird and Artis? Most of his guys are very low D1 and high D2 players or just good HS players. He takes an all star Harvard West Lake team to wire last year. Look at the
present and not in the rear-view mirror but if you can't see how he's not a great coach that is on you.

Sour grapes because Sheldon is no longer an elite program

 

[cityfan]

At Torrey Pines Riordan had to hang on to beat a 3-9 St Augustine who had lost those 9 games by a combined 167 points including a 79-36 drubbing by

There are about 2-3 SoCal Teams that would absolutely wipe the floor with any Norcal team that includes Riordan. Roosevelt and Boscos are the first two that come to mind. Now with Stokes at ND-Sherman Oaks that would be interesting with say a Riordan, Salesian or DLS. I’m sure there are 1-2 I am missing. I think St Joseph’s would also wipe the floor with any NorCal team but will they be placed in NorCal bracket again or SoCal bracket?

As for the Hawaii trip, literally some of these kids may never go to Hawaii again. The games are almost secondary to the actual experience.

If CIF would loosen up their rules than the Iolani would be possible for a ton of CA teams. We probably could have had 2-3 teams in it and be competitive.

I don't think top SoCal teams would "wipe the floor" with top NorCal teams as proven last season. Roosevelt, with 5 games under their belt, beat Riordan in their 1st game of the season last year by 4 points in the NorCal Tip Off, and Salesian lost by 5 to Harvard-Westlake in the Open Championship. Unlike football, I think the gap has narrowed between SoCal and NorCal's top teams.

 

[inazone1]

@cityfan have you seen Roosevelt or
Bosco this year? I have a hard time seeing
Anybody in the north beating either of those
2 squads and they face off tonight in the finals of the damien tournament that should be one hell of a game!

 

[larry legend33]

Sour grapes because Sheldon is no longer an elite program

You bring up a good point. Sacramento hoops in general has been pretty down since covid. (not including Modesto Christian) The gap between the bay area teams and best up in the 916 has seem to grown. Folsom, Inderkum, and Destiny Child are solid but nothing special outside the area.

 

[cityfan]

@cityfan have you seen Roosevelt or
Bosco this year? I have a hard time seeing
Anybody in the north beating either of those
2 squads and they face off tonight in the finals of the damien tournament that should be one hell of a game!

@inazone1 I haven’t, and I’m sure they are much better with most of their players returning from last season. Burries is a scoring machine. Not saying top SoCal teams won’t beat NorCal top teams, just saying the games will be more competitive than some others might think. Also, Salesian and Riordan transfers become eligible next week.

 

[mrbig864]

Another great point. But they could have played in the Damien, Les Schwab, a number of places they could have gone versus blowouts six hours across the water. And don’t get me wrong. I love Hawaii. Go there all the time.

YOU go there all the time, those kids do not. This may come as a surprise to you (and many on this site), but there’s more to life than high school sports and rankings. My guess is these kids will remember their trip to Hawaii much more than another basketball tournament.

 

[ArmchairGOAT]

With the emergence of the Summer exposure tournaments for HS teams like Section 7 in AZ and CaliLive, NorCal teams are going up against SoCal schools. Salesian played Harvard-Westlake, Mater Dei and St. John Bosco last summer. Riordan swept thru Redondo Union, Damien and Sierra Canyon. Granted, these are offseason events, but the concept of having HS teams rather than AAU teams playing each other gives our teams exposure to the SoCal teams. Not going to lie, but Roosevelt, Harvard-Westlake and Notre Dame and others are loaded this year. SoCal HS basketball just on another level with a huge talent pool, more non-league games allowed, high rate of transfers, etc.

 

[ankleassassin]

There are about 2-3 SoCal Teams that would absolutely wipe the floor with any Norcal team that includes Riordan. Roosevelt and Boscos are the first two that come to mind. Now with Stokes at ND-Sherman Oaks that would be interesting with say a Riordan, Salesian or DLS. I’m sure there are 1-2 I am missing. I think St Joseph’s would also wipe the floor with any NorCal team but will they be placed in NorCal bracket again or SoCal bracket?

As for the Hawaii trip, literally some of these kids may never go to Hawaii again. The games are almost secondary to the actual experience.

If CIF would loosen up their rules than the Iolani would be possible for a ton of CA teams. We probably could have had 2-3 teams in it and be competitive.

Coming from an inner city kid who had parents with the means but a team full of kids who lived in the projects. My teammates never imagined going to Hawaii. When we went for a tournament you should have seen how amazed we were. And we lived in Los Angeles so the beach was normal sort of. Some had never been on a plane, and none of us had been to Hawaii.

 

[ArmchairGOAT]

You bring up a good point. Sacramento hoops in general has been pretty down since covid. (not including Modesto Christian) The gap between the bay area teams and best up in the 916 has seem to grown. Folsom, Inderkum, and Destiny Child are solid but nothing special outside the area.

Folsom, Lincoln-Stockton, Grant, Monterey Trail, Inderkum and Destiny's Child (lol) are looking like the top teams in SJS.

 

[larry legend33]

Folsom, Lincoln-Stockton, Grant, Monterey Trail, Inderkum and Destiny's Child (lol) are looking like the top teams in SJS.

I would say...
Folsom
Lincoln
Inderkum
Destiny
Grant

Folsom plays Mater Dei today. Would be a huge endorsement to their program if they can beat the monarchs.

 

[HSWIZARD73]

YOU go there all the time, those kids do not. This may come as a surprise to you (and many on this site), but there’s more to life than high school sports and rankings. My guess is these kids will remember their trip to Hawaii much more than another basketball tournament.

With all due respect this is hilarious as hell. One of Salesians biggest issues is they run thru the league with ease. So run thru Xmas as well. That not good preparation. Ever heard of Gonzaga. They are always ranked high, play a shit league schedule outside or St Mary’s and never won the big one. It is unfortunate no doubt, but making an experience out of it versus playing the sport, ok sure.

 

[mrbig864]

With all due respect this is hilarious as hell. One of Salesians biggest issues is they run thru the league with ease. So run thru Xmas as well. That not good preparation. Ever heard of Gonzaga. They are always ranked high, play a shit league schedule outside or St Mary’s and never won the big one. It is unfortunate no doubt, but making an experience out of it versus playing the sport, ok sure.

Thank you for proving the point of my original comment. SMH

 

[viper221980]

With all due respect this is hilarious as hell. One of Salesians biggest issues is they run thru the league with ease. So run thru Xmas as well. That not good preparation. Ever heard of Gonzaga. They are always ranked high, play a shit league schedule outside or St Mary’s and never won the big one. It is unfortunate no doubt, but making an experience out of it versus playing the sport, ok sure.

Last season Salesian played a brutal early season and only lost to Bosco in OT. Didn't lose again until the open state championship. This season Salesian is 12 - 1 and are a young team with only 2 seniors on the team. I believe Coach Mellis and staff are trying to get them to bond as a team and learn to play Salesian basketball. With that said Salesian has already played Clayton Valley, YV, Modesto Christian, San Ramon Valley, Dougherty Valley, and Riordan (losing by 1 with two free throws to win or tie at the end). I think taking the kids to Hawaii was more about bonding as a team and providing the kids a life experience that some may never get again.

The team still has a two game showcase in Paducah, KY, and games against Clovis West and St. Joseph (currently #3 in state). I think Coach Mellis will have the kids ready for a good run at the end of the season.

 

[MC415]

With all due respect this is hilarious as hell. One of Salesians biggest issues is they run thru the league with ease. So run thru Xmas as well. That not good preparation. Ever heard of Gonzaga. They are always ranked high, play a shit league schedule outside or St Mary’s and never won the big one. It is unfortunate no doubt, but making an experience out of it versus playing the sport, ok sure.

The game of life is 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000 more important than high school
Sports, go to the Islands and travel young men those experiences will be way more memorable than another tournament they have all played in year round tournaments at this point

 

[ankleassassin]

With all due respect this is hilarious as hell. One of Salesians biggest issues is they run thru the league with ease. So run thru Xmas as well. That not good preparation. Ever heard of Gonzaga. They are always ranked high, play a shit league schedule outside or St Mary’s and never won the big one. It is unfortunate no doubt, but making an experience out of it versus playing the sport, ok sure.

will your son be on the basketball team?

 

[HSWIZARD73]

will your son be on the basketball team?

No he is autistic.