1315 ~ I know this, a attitude of they can't be beat means they won't be beat. Again I'm not for losers advancing. Didn't the CCS leave a champion home so loser could play on? How fair was that to the kids that handled their business?
Is it time to start giving the NCS Division I runner up a shot at Regionals?
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This is an unmanageable question. The process of selection just doesn't allow for it. No other northern section commissioner will allow a school that lost in the play offs replace a school in his section that won the d1 crown. And rightfully so. Could you imagine a team not getting in because a team from another division in a different section was selected? It's like having a loss pinned on you when you didn't even play. And who is going to field all those phone calls when it happens? Not us on NorCal preps lol
No,what it would open up is Foothill getting in the NorCal playoffs instead of St. Francis or Milpitas. Two runner ups whom Foothill is ranked higher. And if Foothill wasn't ranked higher than either of those two, then they don't get in.
On thank god we are deferring to ranks? I was getting worried we might settle for what happened on the field!
Hahaha... the point is losing to DLS doesn't make you a loser if you're in the NCS D1. It makes you like everyone else in the state. Except for the CCS and SJS of course, since they will never have to face them. The system is already based on rankings and now runner ups are in the NorCal payoffs. Bottom line, St. Fancis and Milpitas competing in Norcals was a joke, but smart by the CCS. So when you have that scenario, and the new Folsom rule that pushed DLS straight to the State finals, why not give the NCS D1 runner up an opportunity as well?
Interesting.
No letting Milpitas and St.Francis in and keeping league champs HMB and Aptos out was a joke plain and simple. Two teams handled their business and got penalized by ranks. Two teams didn't and benefitted by ranks. Ranks are for selling papers and fans the actual game play settles who is actually deserving.
I watched them play- they are a three minute walk from my house. They would have matched up better than Bellarmine because they actually can pass but would have had a tough time in the trenches.
I don't think they fair any better than the Bells. The fact they can pass wouldn't change much. MV sees passing teams on the regular as most HS teams in SoCal spread it out and chuck it all over the yard.
There was no can of worms opened when the sections (CIF) voted to allow the runners up in CCS to play by empowering sections to place their open division runners up into the bowl. It was voted on and approved in the current format. Other sections are free to make their proposals. As far as Aptos and HMB being brought up again (on other thread this is addressed), Aptos could have opted up to play in the tougher bowl eligible divisions but didn't (and HMB could have if it won its league. There is a mechanism for HMB to move up into an A league for future bowl eligibility) so there is no fairness issue. In either case, neither was likely to be a runner up in the tougher bowl eligible divisions if the qualified and opted up. CCS is unique in that it has a very strong private school league that has teams across all the enrollment divisions that would dominate their respective divisions. It wasn't fair when Valley Christian from the WCAL played Pacific Grove from the MTAL in CCS small school finals and could have probably won the game by triple digits (but held the score down as it did with all its playoff games that year). Personally I think the CCS should have four bowl eligible divisions and one small school non-bowl division to protect the small schools. Or even better a true playoff bracket in 4 divisions. Interestingly the length of the season was an issue but seems now the 16 games played this year by some of the finalists would afford a true playoff format.
As far as NCS setting up an open division for one or two divisions, it seems like a logical step (with the aberration of DLS and more recent CVC competitive advantage in D2). SJS and Southern Section have cases as well due to their power leagues. For the most part, CCS playoffs were a success strictly looking at the competitive impact of their new format from the section playoff perspective. The impact on the regions and bowl was that a Milpitas lost in the regional and St Francis defeated a Pleasant Valley team that not necessarily would have proceeded to a state final and if it did would have most likely lost by a large margin.
I do think that now that the 16 game season has happen, that a true playoff should be looked at closer by the sections. CCS may have created an innovation that could be transferable to other sections in that maybe 3 or 4 state championship playoff divisions can be set up for a true playoff and these divisions participate in the state championship division playoffs comprised of other sections not only their own. The sections can make up revenue by splitting the revenue from the games and the final two go to the CIF. In any event, I could see the state bowls evolving into a true bracket playoff more now than at any other time.
As far as NCS setting up an open division for one or two divisions, it seems like a logical step (with the aberration of DLS and more recent CVC competitive advantage in D2). SJS and Southern Section have cases as well due to their power leagues. For the most part, CCS playoffs were a success strictly looking at the competitive impact of their new format from the section playoff perspective. The impact on the regions and bowl was that a Milpitas lost in the regional and St Francis defeated a Pleasant Valley team that not necessarily would have proceeded to a state final and if it did would have most likely lost by a large margin.
I do think that now that the 16 game season has happen, that a true playoff should be looked at closer by the sections. CCS may have created an innovation that could be transferable to other sections in that maybe 3 or 4 state championship playoff divisions can be set up for a true playoff and these divisions participate in the state championship division playoffs comprised of other sections not only their own. The sections can make up revenue by splitting the revenue from the games and the final two go to the CIF. In any event, I could see the state bowls evolving into a true bracket playoff more now than at any other time.
16 games? For high school students? In this day and age of safety concerns this is a bad idea, especially with college at 13 or14. Plus I know coaches that go deep into the playoffs and it is very demanding on not only them but their families as well. Coaching and practicing football is time intensive and physically demanding. I don't think the players are physically ready to go this route and it seems kind of exploitive. Nothin' from nothin' I think we survive better the shorter the play off season. Otherwise we go all the January and someone has a four month season without byes.
I agree that 16 games is too much (even for a few teams), but it has been achieved this year. There were quite a few banged up teams in the finals missing key players. My point was that one of the hurdles to a state football tournament format was the number of games and it has been achieved. There are formats that have been proposed that were not passed due to number of games and if the current format stays the same will be achieved again next season. I think there are way too many teams playing this late in the season. I think optimally there should be 5 divisions and maybe six (with Open division).
Did you watch them play? What high school team do you follow/coach/are affiliated with?
Not to discount the Bells. Actually I think Folsom at least on o-line would have matched up better than Bells against MV defense and overall better opportunity to score and they can in bunches. They also had very good balance. Folsom ORT Jonah Williams would be by far best lineman on the field and could handle MVs DT and if LT was healthy and in the game he would be an impact player as well. Folsom defense would have difficulty stopping MV offense though so would have to be a shoot out. Bells just didn't match up with MV defensive lines. Folsom also has less two way players.
Caught the MV game. And I just enjoy HS football it's when the game is still pure to a extent.
For many of us who no longer have a horse in the race I think this is a very true and telling statement. Many times if I am at a park with my son or our family and there is a little league baseball game going on I will find myself drawn to the game even though I know no one one the field or in the stands. Just like watching these young players coming up and thinking back..........waaay back to the day when only important thing was THAT moment.
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