I'm talking about cumulatively, not singling out this year. Also, we haven't talked about when they transferred. Could have been after 9th grade, could have been after 10th. Recruiting players while they are attending another school and getting them to yours, especially early in their HS careers is a much better optic, but it's a variation on the transfer theme. Not as obvious getting a kid to transfer going into his SR year
Let’s face it, NorCal needs De La Salle whichever way you spin it.
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I have been reading people post too many state bowl games? Well Texas where HS football is king has 12. It
is run different than California. Apples and oranges argument on everyone gets a trophies. Sorry but that's stupidity. How can a team of farm kids in northern section compete with MD?
is run different than California. Apples and oranges argument on everyone gets a trophies. Sorry but that's stupidity. How can a team of farm kids in northern section compete with MD?
Does Texas have state bowl games ? Or do they do playoffs to determine state division champs ?
DLS didn’t earn the spot. Serra did. Stop with the whining and crying.
In case you and others haven’t been paying attention, DLS has been taken to the woodshed numerous times in the Open game in recent years. Any team the North sent was going to get annihilated. This current DLS team very well could have taken an even worse beating than Serra did. I believe they would have.
Serra took on the equivalent of a really good FCS college team. A team ranked #1 in the entire country. They have nothing to hang their head over or to apologize for.
Hell, Mater Dei boat raced Duncanville, who is playing for the Texas 6A title this Saturday, by a larger margin at 45-3.
Yet here you are trying to sell DLS as a better matchup and more deserving? Even if they had been, why does it matter? Why should a team like Serra lose their shot to play in that game — a privilege they earned — just so DLS could (potentially) lose by one or two TD’s less?
Stop with the ridiculousness.
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They have a full slate of district, regional, and State playoffs. It’s still being played next weekend.
As I also mentioned in the above post, Duncanville is facing off against North Shore next Saturday for the Texas 6A title.
Which means Serra just faced a team that annihilated the eventual Texas 6A Champ or its runner up by 42 points. Yet a couple crazy people are calling them out for their performance as if some other NorCal team would have fared better.
There are teams currently in the National Top 10 that couldn’t hang with MD. Not only did Duncanville lose by 42, St. John Bosco lost by 21.
But how embarrasing it was for Serra to lose by 37.
The only embarrassing thing was this thread being created.
I see from a few posts that a few of you already read my post today “How did NorCal’s best teams end season?”
If the rest of fans will read that post it will somewhat answer many of the questions pondered on this thread.
Due to the lengthy dominance by DLS over last 30 years fans tend to believe DLS is “It” and would have been the best to battle MD instead of Serra. Problem is DLS lost to Folsom who then lost to Cathedral.
As my post points out none of the 4 top Norcal teams was going to win over MD - who won over higher ranked teams than Serra by larger margins (please see Duncanville, Tx). The gap this season was closer between top NorCal teams than in many years previous & that my friends is a good thing for sure IMO.
If the rest of fans will read that post it will somewhat answer many of the questions pondered on this thread.
Due to the lengthy dominance by DLS over last 30 years fans tend to believe DLS is “It” and would have been the best to battle MD instead of Serra. Problem is DLS lost to Folsom who then lost to Cathedral.
As my post points out none of the 4 top Norcal teams was going to win over MD - who won over higher ranked teams than Serra by larger margins (please see Duncanville, Tx). The gap this season was closer between top NorCal teams than in many years previous & that my friends is a good thing for sure IMO.
Ok so how many transferred in after ninth grade? Look everybody gets bent out of shape over transfer numbers from the SoCal. They act as if every transfer is for football and football only. News flash majority of those numbers are not football and not to schools in question, it’s a huge area with a large population.
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So this distance that MD and SJB have put between themselves and the rest of the state( and most of the country)happened in a vacuum????? This is a football board, so we're not concerned with transfers in volleyball, badminton, etc. .
It’s basic numbers really larger population deeper talent pool. Those programs frankly have put a larger emphasis on winning these state upper state bowl games. They always have felt their brand of football was superior down there and few thought otherwise. DLS changed that line of thinking, I do tend to think they still hold the SS title has more weight than the SBG’s. But frankly in past I think Southern teams had let downs after winning the south and showed up to state thinking they wouldn’t be challenged. You could make the same argument with maybe Folsom this year was there a let down after beating DLS? Did DLS lose focus after being passed over by Serra? Again the transfers are a easy excuse for failure, but again how many transfers were there to these programs after 9th grade? Was it 3, 5, 10, 20, what’s the numbers? Did they play or have front row seats? It’s really just excuses of course good programs attract kids it happens everywhere.
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Transfers are /were a reality . SJB didn't exist as a football power until they got in the transfer sweepstakes. To just say it's an "excuse for failure " is disingenuous though. Mater Dei has always been a football power, so nobody is surprised by their success.
Once a school establishes its brand with on field success, even if it started the success with transfers, the players will start coming. At which point transfers aren't particularly necessary since the success will continue the talent pipeline that transfers may have started. Disingenuous to ask how many transfer in once the success is established.
When you look at Mater Dei, you notice some extreme examples of transfers;
Star running back Raleek Brown transferred from the Stockton area after his sophomore year to play at Mater Dei.
This year's Heisman Trophy winner Bryce Young of Alabama, transferred from a high school in the northern part of Los Angeles to play his last two years at Matre Dei. He had what, a 2-3 hour commute each way?
Just shameful what Mater Dei has done. I bet their coach Bruce Rollison and MD fans probably think that Rollinson is now the greatest high school football coach of all time in California. Of course, he still has that 0-4 record against Bob Ladoceur when Ladoceur was coaching DLS.
BOSCO was transformed by Negro and not through transfers. Look at his resume and get back to me. He changed everything in that program brought in 20+ coaches or so adding strength conditioning people and built a program. It was not transfers that made the difference.
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BY enrolled at Cathedral HS in downtown Los Angeles as freshman so he could play and learn before going to the school he wanted to attend MD.He knew he wouldn’t play at MD until his JR year so he played elsewhere to get his reps
Bottom line. NorCal does not need to change. You can’t compete with football factories where ever they may be or what school name they go by. Everyone knows who they are.
They have won nothing other than the factory championship. Wow big deal.
They have won nothing other than the factory championship. Wow big deal.
Huh! What is Cathedral High, a feeder school. If Young was good enough as a freshman he would have gone directly to MD.
Cathedral is just another private school.
Maybe you don’t remember J T Daniels who was the QB at MD then and now is at Georgia.Obviously BY was good enough to be on the team but he never would have played since Daniels was a highly recruited player.Enrollment at Cathedral gave him the opportunity to start as a freshman and hone his game before transferring.Strategic move that has proved to be genius
I was much more interested in seeing someone new than seeing the same old game play out with DLS getting overwhelmed. I think DLS has a higher floor, but Serra has a higher ceiling with athletic talent. It was interesting to see the gameplan that Walsh and his staff came up with.
Until someone knocks off Mater Dei/Bosco/Servite/Centennial, I'd like to see different NorCal reps get a shot at it.
Until someone knocks off Mater Dei/Bosco/Servite/Centennial, I'd like to see different NorCal reps get a shot at it.
Having the best high school teams in the America residing in Cali is important to me. I loved being able to brag about DLS football when they were on top. Having the best high school football team in America reside in NorCal would be like a dream come true for me.
Some people like taking pictures of birds, others may like to bring attention to world issues, just so happens that I like high school, college, and professional football. Hell, I would even like youth football if it were easy to follow.
With that said NorCal needs to change if our teams are going to be sent to SoCal to compete in these state matchup's.
This is definitely have a long term view. And you are right. It obviously turned out great for him
While I would agree in premise, I'm not so sure I would want that change to happen, given how the process actually works in SoCal. The powers harvest the vast majority of the talent at the expense of all of the regular programs. While we do have private school powers here that concentrates talent to a certain degree, it's not nearly on the same scale. I'm not really sure it's worth jumping that shark.
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Well, the ONLY reason we're discussing a different rep in NorCal is because DLS finally lost a NorCal game. Should have had to play to get the bid all along. Trouble is, nobody wanted to play DLS for the right to rep the North. Now, people are talking about how DLS just waltzed into the Open. Well, DLS didn't orchestrate that.All this time NOBODY in the North uttered a word about it. Now that DLS has lost a NorCal game(and a NorCal playoff game; at home no less) people are calling for an Open playoff bid game. I agree, but there always should have been one.
Everyone needs to stop looking at this as a north thing. The entire state voted on the concept and it passed 10-0. You couldn't just have a regional game in the north. It would have to also happen in the south, which would make no sense, given how the SS has moved to competitive equity divisions.
This just isn't going to happen. People need to move on. The people claiming that Serra didn't earn that spot don't understand the game the CIF put in place.
The so called Folsom rule was also put into place to allow NorCal to send its two best playoff teams instead of just one to the SBG’s
In addition it sequestered Socal’s best teams in a PAC. Since St Francis beat DLS it made us question our assumptions. Theses issues are all valid and good starting a point for debate.
In addition it sequestered Socal’s best teams in a PAC. Since St Francis beat DLS it made us question our assumptions. Theses issues are all valid and good starting a point for debate.
This is a gross exaggeration and patently untrue.
There surely are some that didn’t want to face them, but “some” doesn’t represent all.
I believe most programs that are good enough to qualify for a D1/D2 Regional in a given season want to face the best. Those that don’t represent the minority.
Look no further than the programs that have actually scheduled or tried really hard to schedule DLS over the years.
I’m very confident that had the Regional games started far earlier than 2012, programs like Grant Union, Elk Grove, Nevada Union, Palo Alto, or any of the programs in the WCAL never would have complained about having to play that game.
If they weren’t good enough to win it, they weren’t the best team in the North thus weren’t deserving to play in what’s considered the premier bowl game. That’s how those programs and their head coaches would have felt about it.
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Stop typing up truths. Some people can’t handle it.
How is it a gross exaggeration? Any or all of the schools who wanted to play DLS and have a true Open play in could have brought this up. You mean because one school didn't want to(Folsom) the Folsom rule was created?Where was the protest from the other schools you listed? NOBODY has said a word all these years. WHY is that?The schools you mention and their coaches showed how they felt by KEEPING SILENT. Even if they wanted to play, they said nothing and didn't protest. That's the bottom line. Complicit silence
In order for an argument to be valid, all of the supporting statements must be true. Unfortunately, yours are not.
It doesn't matter how many times this is repeated, this whole concept stems from poor reading comprehension.
Isn't the Folsom rule based on the request of one school to their section?
Right... people don't get to bitch about a situation from which they've been benefiting just because the table got turned.
No, it isn't. The rule was suggested by a section commissioner and was voted on by the 10 sections. All 10 agreed it was a good idea.
So why did this section commissioner suggest it in the first place? What was the genesis of his suggestion? Surely there had to be a reason
Folsom haters point to an article that was written where some of the parents were complaining about having to face DLS. Nowhere in the article did it say that Folsom made any sort of request, but the haters ran with it anyway.
For sake of time, the haters will also bring up a note that the SJS commissioner said that Folsom had been great to work with... which doesn't indicate anything. I would imagine that the vast majority of schools have a good working relationship with the section leadership.
Again, this notion has been perpetuated by people who want to poke fun at Folsom. On these boards, that desire very well may be due to one particularly loud and disruptive poster.
I don't know what specifically caused him to make the suggestion. It is entirely possible he (the SJS commissioner) had Folsom in mind, but I don't think he could have just assumed that his section would always house the #2 team in NorCal.
I will say that it has appeared that the Southern Section has been trying to figure out their own competitive balance for a long time. For a while, many of the divisions were travel-based, which ended up being a little silly. The section finally realized that within each league, teams are going to be of different strength and that it wasn't especially fair to force the weaker teams to continuously be battered in the playoffs (a similar stance to what the CCS took). Now, they've adjusted their playoffs to full competitive equity and it would make absolutely no sense to go backwards.
The SDS and LACS also would want their teams to have chances to advance to state games, so having an Open regional does not favor them anyway. Having an Open regional actually favors no one at all. All it would do is appease complaining posters on this message board who have lost sight of the fact that these games are hosted for the players, not them.
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