No one is bitching about the situation, especially when it wasn't a situation of their making/doing.The point is this "situation "was created, not pre existing.
Let’s face it, NorCal needs De La Salle whichever way you spin it.
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I have nothing against Folsom, but your above post doesn't explain why the section commissioner would make such a proposal. My point is NOW it's being made an issue that has benefited DLS when they had NOTHING to do with its proposal or passing.They didn't give themselves a green light to the Open all that time.Is it possible to repost the article you mentioned, just for another angle?
Why does there have to be a why? Why does it matter? The fact that simply can't be ignored is that if this concept was mainly good for one program, why would the representatives for the remaining 1000+ go along with it? Would it have mattered why Apple made the first smart phone if no one else thought it was a good idea? Again, the actual programs don't seem to care. It's just a handful of yahoos on these message boards that are moaning about it.
The only people truly complaining about it now are the DLS people (fans, not the school... the school has always been willing to take on all comers)... because they no longer are the beneficiaries.
I don't have the article, but I'm sure one of the posters who likes to make fun of Folsom will post it.
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The why is important because it indicates an unknown agenda that enacted a now unpopular situation.If it hadn't been enacted, who knows what great playoff matchups we might have witnessed. Not to mention the Open rep would have actually earned it on the field, as it should have been all along. I just find it hypocritical that now that DLS has lost a couple of NorCal games, the tone of some posts is that if DLS had to play someone for the Open bid they might have lost a NorCal game sooner. Maybe, who knows. But those thinking/saying that sure were quiet as church mice while DLS was winning all those NorCal games. That's all. Would have been an epic playoff rematch of 2018 DLS vs Folsom after they had played earlier in the season.
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It’s hard to have a legit discussion when one party keeps inventing facts.
I like you a lot, remc. But that’s what your doing here. Making assumptions and connecting dots and presenting them as truth.
First you said “nobody” wanted to play DLS. That’s not true. And easily provable. Any team voluntarily scheduling DLS surely doesn’t have much of a problem playing them. And teams like Grant Union and Elk Grove, among others, can also be cited as trying desperately hard to get a game with DLS. Hell, Elk Grove was lobbying hard to play DLS after their section title in 1998 and DLS seemed interested but the SJS/CIF wasn’t going to allow it to happen. Of course no Regional or State games existed back then.
Point is, that statement is clearly wrong.
As for your new assertion that nobody has voiced their disagreement over the current system is also not a fact. How do you know that nobody has expressed dissatisfaction? Because you haven’t seen anything of the sort printed in a news article?
Could it be true? Possibly. But the absence of public statements doesn’t make it true by default.
I’m more than confident that if the CIF decided to start up a NorCal Regional Open bracket tomorrow and allow the top teams from each NorCal section to ”opt in” over their section playoffs — there’d be more teams than just DLS participating. Bookmark it.
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Because they didn’t care.It wasn’t going to affect their sections in the slightest.Maybe you can name a school that has benefited from this rule other than Folsom? Nobody has benefited more from the Folsom rule than its name sake Theres a reason for that
Expanding upon that final point I mentioned above, I’d love to see the CIF create an 8 team Regional Open bracket (revenues split evenly among all NorCal sections) that takes place concurrently with each section playoff. A committee would select and sends invites until all spots are filled. Anybody not invited or not accepting of the invite would fall into their section and division bracket per usual.
All 8 teams get one week off after the regular season ends (Like most or all of them do now with BYE’s). The playoff lasts 3 weeks and ends so that the winner has one week off leading up to the Open State Bowl game (just as the participant does now).
The upside is that the Open participant is decided upon on the field from a deserving field of 8. Of course the field can be decreased to 4 or increased to 16 depending upon demand. 8 just seems like a good starting point and likely the max number of worthy teams willing to participate.
The downside is several teams from each section not participating in their own section playoff. The sections wouldn’t necessarily like that.
However, splitting the revenue among ALL sections might be a fair trade off for them. Because these games are likely to draw some really nice crowds. More than any of these teams would draw in their section bracket except for maybe their section final.
All 8 teams get one week off after the regular season ends (Like most or all of them do now with BYE’s). The playoff lasts 3 weeks and ends so that the winner has one week off leading up to the Open State Bowl game (just as the participant does now).
The upside is that the Open participant is decided upon on the field from a deserving field of 8. Of course the field can be decreased to 4 or increased to 16 depending upon demand. 8 just seems like a good starting point and likely the max number of worthy teams willing to participate.
The downside is several teams from each section not participating in their own section playoff. The sections wouldn’t necessarily like that.
However, splitting the revenue among ALL sections might be a fair trade off for them. Because these games are likely to draw some really nice crowds. More than any of these teams would draw in their section bracket except for maybe their section final.
Are you seriously trying to imply teams volunteering to play DLS in regular season with playing them in a post season game? Pure comedy. Regular season playing DLS nothing to lose everything to gain. Post season everything on the line, see the difference? Fact is I don’t recollect any team, coach, parent, or kid lobbying to play DLS in a post season game.
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Actually it's better for NorCal that geography does play a role because the top three teams in one league (MD, Servite, Bosco) and Corona Centennial would likely have all thumped whatever NorCal team they played. I'm a NorCal guy through and through but honestly these were by far the top four teams in the sate and three got knocked off in their section playoffs by the others.
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😂 if you give teams the option of avoiding the hardest competition guess what their going to do? Right,avoid the hardest competition and then where is your playoff bracket? If we know anything about NorCal it’s that they like easy over hard. So obviously a major flaw
It will be hard for thunderam to grasp this, he is actually convinced norcal teams wanted to play DLS in the playoffs for the last decade! 😂🤣😂
Oh this should be fun!
Aside from the predictable “Folsom” answer — who has since scheduled DLS 3x in recent years — how many factual examples of avoidance can you cite?
My guess is next to none. Because you’re inventing your own truth.
I can cite numerous examples proving how full of $#!t you are on this one.
Since the inception of the State Bowl games, here are some notable opponents voluntarily scheduled by various NorCal programs not named De La Salle:
St. Mary's-Stockton: De La Salle (6x), Mater Dei (2x), St. John Bosco, Mission Viejo, Pittsburg (2x), St. Francis-Mountain View (2x), Serra-San Mateo (3x)
Pittsburg: Centennial-Corona (2x), Long Beach Poly, De La Salle, Folsom, Serra-San Mateo (4x), Valley Christian (3x), Granite Bay (5x), St. Mary's-Stockton (2x),
Del Oro: De La Salle (3x), Bishop Gorman, Punahou, Westlake (2x), Oaks Christian, Notre Dame, Vista Murrieta, Helix, Cathedral Catholic, Clovis West, Cardinal Newman (4x), Bellarmine (2x)
Granite Bay: De La Salle, Pittsburg (5x), Westlake, Oaks Christian, Aptos, Oak Grove
Sacramento: JSerra Catholic, Folsom (5x), Mitty-San Jose, Rancho Cotate (2x),
Grant Union: Long Beach Poly, Bellevue, Alta (2x), Highland, Eastside Catholic, Bakersfield (2x), Central-Fresno (4x), Valley Christian
Central Catholic: De La Salle (2x), Upland, Cathedral Catholic, Bellarmine (2x), Cardinal Newman (5x), Clovis West (2x), Marin Catholic (3x), St. Mary's-Stockton (16x)
Folsom: De La Salle (3x), Chaminade, Cathedral Catholic, Pittsburg, Clayton Valley Charter, Clovis North
Oakdale: Paraclete, Oceanside, Aptos (3x), Mitty-San Jose (2x), Palma, Cardinal Newman, Rancho Cotate, Liberty-Brentwood, Folsom, Granite Bay
Lastly, it's also fair to point out that Monterey Trail and Cosumnes Oaks -- both relative unknowns on the State and certainly National level -- scheduled St. John Bosco and Mater Dei respectively in 2020 prior to the pandemic changing those plans and that season.
Monterey Trail and Jesuit both scheduled De La Salle this past season, as did Elk Grove before that eventually fell through.
There are more teams and more examples that could be listed. But that's more than enough.
How much "avoidance" do you see above?
There's nearly 10 programs listed that clearly have not only been scheduling top tier NorCal opponents, but several of them scheduling over their heads with De La Salle, Centennial-Corona, or Trinity League programs.
So ... what actual evidence can you provide that in any way suggests that NorCal likes easy over hard?
C'mon ararar. It's a ridiculously ignorant and unsubstantiated take.
If we know anything about you it’s that you're much better than this.
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Now list how many voluntarily agreed to play those teams in a playoff when their season was on the line.It’s one thing to schedule a regular season game when nothings at stake and a completely different thing when your season will be ended.
NorCal is the inventor of the loser moves on playoff system that’s all the evidence I need to know that your playoff suggestion has a fatal flaw
How many of those games are scheduled if they knew they could no longer play if they lost? Right,none
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You're joking, right?
The entire San Diego Section benefits from this. Any team in the SS not in D-1 benefits from this.
This is where your argument completely falls apart.
This situation is only unpopular among message board posters! The schools, players, coaches, administrations, etc.... you know, the actual participants in this thing and the real reason why the state playoffs were generated in the first place, don't care!
Everyone on these boards need to take a very large step back and check their freakin' egos. The CIF does not exist for you. The playoffs do not exist for you. The titles handed out in the various sports are not for you.
Get the F over yourselves.
Great, you still didn’t answer my question. Name one school that has benefited from this rule the way Folsom has.
Hard to have a honest discussion or debate with a individual who tries to blur the lines between regular season and the playoffs. We are trying to have a honest discussion about the playoff format and Norcal teams willingly avoiding playing DLS and when they do and lose they still advance. And you’re on here listing regular season games as proof of something what that is I’m not sure. It either highlights your ignorance or bias I will let you decide which it is but wake up!
I really don’t get the defensive posture taken on an obvious flaw.For example,if Norco,Los Alimitos,Mission viejo and Santa Margarita had the option to drop out of the SS D1 bracket to D2 I’m certain they would have for obvious reasons.
For the record I really enjoy NorCal football.There are some real quality teams playing in the north.I hope teams other than DLS will schedule OOS games and show everyone just how good the teams are
Yes it is way too much but 15 bowl games is light compared to other states like Texas, Georgia, Alabama, Florida all with 20 plus state championship games...
That's why I stopped responding, because they refuse to honestly and truthfully address the flaw.
The defensive posture is one many fans on this board take when talking about teams, regions etc…..it‘s always excuses, transfers, They try and daisy chain facts that nothing to do with context or topic, it’s just the way it is. Having lived in both Norcal and SoCal there is a huge difference between the fan bases Norcal fans have a inferiority complex or small mans syndrome if you will about their team and region.
Ease back on the HGH and get real. I can only speak for myself but your love of turning high school football into college football and then tryin to justify it by "soap boxing" it creates opportunities for kids is laughable in its logic. You all are such fan boys of it, you have socialized what programs do down there to the point of making excuses for it and then elevating the method to some divine level, and trying to make it into the way forward.
Wake up Tom Cruise, you might be in a cult.
What do programs do down there?
Make excuses for what? Following the rules in place.Seems you’re the one making excuses for another team’s success.wasn’t to long ago on this very forum we heard the same crying about DLS success
MD and SJB have separated themselves from the rest of the pack. Their collegiate-style football programs are impressive and fun to watch. But are there other private schools willing to make the necessary changes to compete at this level? For example, Sacramento, the East Bay, San Jose, and (possibly) Stockton could all host a team that competes at this top-tier level. IMO, Sacramento could host a team that beats MD and SJB.
So if Sac could the question is why don’t they? It should also be noted SJB finished behind Servite this year so there goes that separation idea. Also SoCal had three other teams finish in the top 25 nationally and really it was top 10 since Cen 10 finished number 10.
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Let’s be honest it’s not just that MD and SJB have gotten better it’s also that DLS has gotten worse since Lad retired.Those great DLS teams were every bit as good as the south’s best are now
It appears that Servite may have adopted the SJB/MD blueprint. However, they look much different than the years passed. Maybe this is their new trend? Time will tell. Cen10 is Cen10 and sit's comfortably on their island in the I.E.
Why hasn't Sac done it? Not sure that the Sacramento schools are as ambitious. They are certainly not lacking in the talent area.
There’s nothing to play dumb about.You don’t believe if these teams were cheating someone wouldn’t tell on them? There’s two families suing MD who had kids in Athletics at the school you don’t believe they wouldn’t spill the beans if they had evidence?
It’s very simple as to why These two particular teams have become so good
1. They made a concerted effort to be in contact with the best youth coaches and leagues.
2.They started playing National schedules which is a beacon to highly talented players.
3.They work hard for the kids to get them into college programs with relationships with highly regarded coaches as well as lower level coaches.
4.they have some of the best assistant coaches in Socal.
DLS still does some of these things as well they just don’t have the coaches they used to have
The Lad era was incredible and worthy of all the received accolades. IMO, this is a completely different time and era! SJB and MD are doing something quite different.
You mentioned it in another post:
1) Elite youth talent.
2) National schedules.
3) Great coaching.
......and school administration support.
......and parental buy in to the coaching direction ( less ego daddy ball and more parental team booyah)
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You are wrong about Servite. Their model has not changed in 20 years. Probably have the lowest number of transfer in kids compared to the rest of the league. The difference this year from past years is that they kept their best players from transferring out to SJB and other schools.
These guys have no clue how programs are run down south. If a team is good they cheat, recruit, transfers, it’s always the same excuses. They actually think SoCal has different rules than the rest of the state. 🤦♂️
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