NCS COIN FLIP BS....and no games up north

[northbaybbguru]

quite frankly the NCS should have mandated that ALL the games to be played in Eureka on Monday...PERIOD

St Bernards, Humboldt st and Eureka could have hosted all the games...Arcata could have helped if needed.

Gil Lemon just needed to actually lead and make an executive decision....
that THE GAMES ARE BEING PLAYED. BE THERE OR FORFEIT.

simple enough....


now we are left with the absolutely BRUTAL BS decision of a frigging Coin flip....

DUMBEST IDEA EVER

that being said...if you aren't the 1 seed you aren't heartbroken about this decision.

The chance of a section title and STATE BOWL PLAYIN GAME invite without having to take out the top rated team. PERFECT REPRESENTATION OF EVERYBODY GETS A TROPHY, DONT KEEP SCORE, TELL LITTLE BILLY HES GREAT AT EVERYTHING CURRENT DAY ADULT MENTALITY....MY DIPSHI* parent generation has f***ed everything up.


The other rule coming into play is that when it gets to the section final if the 2 teams have played each other during the regular season the regular season winner automatically goes (no coin flip needed). This has direct repercussions in the NCS D2 where the #1 seed Rancho beat the #3 seed Campo in the regular season. So Campo is now playing knowing that if they make the final vs Rancho, that Rancho automatically goes.YEESH! (if there was a middle finger emoji I would use it).

I suggest that ANY TEAM that LOSES a coin flip should AUTOMATICALLY GO OVER ANY TEAM THAT WINS A COIN FLIP (IF THEY BEAT THEM IN THE REGULAR SEASON).

***just remember that after sections the Divisions are thrown out the window for NorCals/CIF
so a division rep is not needed because they will be placed at their proper CIF level.

 

[Streak One]

Is it possible for the NCS to play out their section brackets and not send NorCal reps outside of the two Open teams? Not saying this is the course of action, but an interesting thought I've been kicking around.

I think the Eureka plan could have worked, but the planning started too late for it to happen on Monday.

 

[Streak One]

Got the answer to my question. Will be fascinating to watch

The finalists in those divisions will have other options:

They can both opt to skip the regional playoffs and play for a NCS championship on Dec. 7-8, the same weekend of the NorCal regional openers.


Or, if either of the finalists want to advance, then it comes down to one of two criteria — head-to-head (if the teams met during the regular season, the winner advances) or a coin flip.

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[MJ2014]

The head to head addendum should be removed. Justin Siena lost 28-7 to Piedmont in the pre-season, they later beat Piedmont in the NCS playoffs 53-28. This happens every year. Let them play it out on the field or just keep it to a coin flip. The more bs they add to their formula, the worse they look. This should be for every division. Is there a coin flip in the Open or in 8 man?

 

[shcguy92]

If you do coin flips, it should be all or nothing. Either every game gets a coin toss or no games. The BS of head to head is just that BS. How can you.penalize a team for a week 0/1 loss to an.opponent when in that week 0/1 you may not have had a full squad?

Not only that maybe the game was the firs game of the season with a new coach trying to get his schematics and plays panned out?

Seems like playing favorites and chickening out to me.

 

[HSfan82]

It takes a little thought a group of people who are problem solvers and not taking easy out

IF NCS is to use coin flip it should be for this round not finals--that makes no sense so they can do 2 things..

1) coin flip quaterfinals and makes semi Saturday 24th and Finals Dec 1

OR..

2) play games quarters Tues or Wed 21st or 22nd, most kids out for holiday, semi Monday 26th and final Sat Dec 1

Seems doable assuming air is playable Tuesday, if not default to option 2. But coin flipping a championship game should not even be considered. Eureka option was also early solution had they moved on it sooner. Flipping a coin should not have even been brought up.

 

[espot]

I wrote a strongly written letter to the NCS talking about how this coin flip to decide NorCal participants is ridiculous and outrageous. I suggested they let the higher seeds move on and go from the semifinals. Most of the outcomes for the quarterfinals would favor the higher seed anyway. Having the top four teams battling it out in the semifinals is way way way better than having a team's season and player's championship dreams being thrown away by the flip of a coin, not to mention the NCS would generate much more revenue playing the championship games.

 

[rcr1734]

I wrote a strongly written letter to the NCS talking about how this coin flip to decide NorCal participants is ridiculous and outrageous. I suggested they let the higher seeds move on and go from the semifinals. Most of the outcomes for the quarterfinals would favor the higher seed anyway. Having the top four teams battling it out in the semifinals is way way way better than having a team's season and player's championship dreams being thrown away by the flip of a coin, not to mention the NCS would generate much more revenue playing the championship games.

1. Decision is made, probably time to let it go rather than write letters. 2. You make no sense...you talk about hopes and dreams being thrown away and how tragic it would be yet you have no issues with the lower seeds possibly having their hopes and dreams going away with the higher seed scenario? Seems a little short sighted. 3. Like streak said, whoever gets there can play it out if they so choose and not have the flip. They just won’t play in a state game.

Teams could have gone up North to play? The schools made the choice to not to....don’t know for sure but my assumption is most of the higher seeds said no? Nothing is perfect. And I think revenue is probably is last of anyone’s worries. Personally, I would play for a section championship and let the regional state stuff go for a year.

 

[MC415]

Ncs should be ashamed of what shitbags they are, it’s not rocket science

 

[rcr1734]

Ncs should be ashamed of what shitbags they are, it’s not rocket science

It’s not rocket science that teams could have gone up North...played Monday...then played the semis on Sat and been back on track. BUT there were teams that didn’t want to do that? The solution was there and some schools didn’t want to travel...give up home field....who knows. The section put it in the schools hands and some of the schools didn’t want to play anywhere, anytime, anyone.

 

[MC415]

It’s not rocket science that teams could have gone up North...played Monday...then played the semis on Sat and been back on track. BUT there were teams that didn’t want to do that? The solution was there and some schools didn’t want to travel...give up home field....who knows. The section put it in the schools hands and some of the schools didn’t want to play anywhere, anytime, anyone.

Terrible

 

[rcr1734]

Terrible

Ok. I guarantee that all the 1-4 seeds weren’t all jumping up and down to give up home field and travel. I’m no5 saying a coin flip is good, I’m just saying that that this isn’t as one sided as you want to make it and that all the teams didn’t do whatever they had to do to get away from the coin flip. If your not going to do everything you can to avoid it.....then you shouldn’t complain about it.

 

[Golfpilot]

ncs should have preplanned this into their bylaws.
“If a game can not be played 4 days before the next scheduled playoff game, the lower seed plays on.”
Or coin flip, or basketball game, or Yahtzee... write it out

 

[rcr1734]

ncs should have preplanned this into their bylaws.
“If a game can not be played 4 days before the next scheduled playoff game, the lower seed plays on.”
Or coin flip, or basketball game, or Yahtzee... write it out

maybe...but what section has this pre-planned? looks like none do? cant necessarily plan for everytjing. What I am shocked about is the lack of conversation about how you CAN get all the games in. Bylaw is 2 games in 8 days so I think you can get all three rounds in playing unconventional days. since this is an unconventional circumstance I think THAT should be open as a solution.

 

[Truthhertz]

Why stop with coin flips? Next round coaches Ro Sham Bo, and finish it off in championships with good ole thumb wrestling by each teams kicker.

 

[rcr1734]

Why stop with coin flips? Next round coaches Ro Sham Bo, and finish it off in championships with good ole thumb wrestling by each teams kicker.

Nice! Lots of value here. Maybe we should all get on a website and throw out silly things to say too! Shazaam. Bingo bongo dingo. Walla walla gazza.

Which ones you want to add Truthhertz? Bring some more of that great insight.

 

[HSfan82]

Not to beat a dead horse but NCS panicked and choked.. maybe they can still fix. AQI as we all know moves but it has been below 150 in Hayward and Fremont while still high in Oakland. Moreau could have hosted their game, Hayward, Mt Eden and Tennyson all have newly renovated fields and then you have Tak Fudenna and Logan. That is six venues, within air quality without ridiculous travel scenario.

CCS got their games in, c'mon NCS make another call do the right thing!!! They can go Monday- Saturday or Tuesday-Monday both culminating with Dec 1 final.

 

[observer22]

Not to beat a dead horse but NCS panicked and choked.. maybe they can still fix. AQI as we all know moves but it has been below 150 in Hayward and Fremont while still high in Oakland. Moreau could have hosted their game, Hayward, Mt Eden and Tennyson all have newly renovated fields and then you have Tak Fudenna and Logan. That is six venues, within air quality without ridiculous travel scenario.

CCS got their games in, c'mon NCS make another call do the right thing!!! They can go Monday- Saturday or Tuesday-Monday both culminating with Dec 1 final.

I still don’t know how DLS got their game in with Pitt, but every school around them had to postpone. Was Concord really the only place with clean air and only that one night? What was their AQI? Maybe all the NCS games should have been moved to Concord that night? Liberty might not have liked going on the road but it would have been better than a coin flip.

 

[1tunz1]

If ncs is stuck with coin flip, then try this: if a 1seed team is flipping against a 2 seed team, the 2seed team has to win 2 flips to advance, the 1seed only has to win the flip once. Its over in 2 flips, but gives the higher seeded team it’s seeded advantage.

 

[Golfpilot]

I still don’t know how DLS got their game in with Pitt, but every school around them had to postpone. Was Concord really the only place with clean air and only that one night? What was their AQI? Maybe all the NCS games should have been moved to Concord that night? Liberty might not have liked going on the road but it would have been better than a coin flip.

DLS game was Friday, if I remember right it was 138 AQI. Saturday was far worse

 

[northbayfb]

Ok. I guarantee that all the 1-4 seeds weren’t all jumping up and down to give up home field and travel. I’m no5 saying a coin flip is good, I’m just saying that that this isn’t as one sided as you want to make it and that all the teams didn’t do whatever they had to do to get away from the coin flip. If your not going to do everything you can to avoid it.....then you shouldn’t complain about it.

D2 #8 seed American Canyon, D3 #4 seed El Cerrito, #8 seed Encinal and D4 #3 seed Kennedy all refused to go. Tail wagging the dog

 

[rcr1734]

D2 #8 seed American Canyon, D3 #4 seed El Cerrito, #8 seed Encinal and D4 #3 seed Kennedy all refused to go. Tail wagging the dog

ok...that's 4 teams. are you saying that all the other 1-4 seeds said they would travel? or are you just throwing out what you know. Based on what you are saying 4 out of 24 teams said no and I don't believe that to be the case.

 

[Truthhertz]

Nice! Lots of value here. Maybe we should all get on a website and throw out silly things to say too!

Lol point of post was to point out how silly the decision making was here not to create change or insight. I don’t think either is done via message boards or chat rooms. But then again who knows we are talking NorCal HS football where losers play on and coin flips decide games so.......

 

[northbayfb]

ok...that's 4 teams. are you saying that all the other 1-4 seeds said they would travel? or are you just throwing out what you know. Based on what you are saying 4 out of 24 teams said no and I don't believe that to be the case.

Not sure what you are searching for. #1 Rancho Cotate, #1 Cardinal Newman #1 Kelseyville are all on record as willling to travel.

 

[rcr1734]

Not sure what you are searching for. #1 Rancho Cotate, #1 Cardinal Newman #1 Kelseyville are all on record as willling to travel.

that's great and applauded. but if a majority of the 2-4 seeds all say no?

 

[northbayfb]

ok...that's 4 teams. are you saying that all the other 1-4 seeds said they would travel? or are you just throwing out what you know. Based on what you are saying 4 out of 24 teams said no and I don't believe that to be the case.

Additionally #2 Eureka has raised $8000 to for outside schools travel expenses with a donor matching additional $8000. Other than “I don’t think so” offer any concrete evidence you have that higher seeds aren’t doing everything they can to get this played out

 

[northbayfb]

that's great and applauded. but if a majority of the 2-4 seeds all say no?

Any lower seed should be willing to do what #1 seeds are willing to do. It’s absurd that #1 seeds have had the least amount of voice in this process from the coin toss to off site neutral games being played.

 

[Truthhertz]

So if I’m reading this right seems lower seeds are balking here where as higher seeds are willing to travel? Huh. Imagine that? I mean it makes sense I guess, why travel for what most likely is a loss when you can just say no and get a 50/50 shot with a coin toss. Those not willing to do whatever it takes to play and move on don’t deserve to move on.

 

[rcr1734]

So if I’m reading this right seems lower seeds are balking here where as higher seeds are willing to travel? Huh. Imagine that? I mean it makes sense I guess, why travel for what most likely is a loss when you can just say no and get a 50/50 shot with a coin toss. Those not willing to do whatever it takes to play and move on don’t deserve to move on.

your note reading right...imagine that. He noted 3 number 1 seeds and a 2 that is already up north. you are very selective in what you like to write about.

 

[rcr1734]

your not reading right...imagine that. He noted 3 number 1 seeds and a 2 that is already up north. you are very selective in what you like to write about.

 

[rcr1734]

Any lower seed should be willing to do what #1 seeds are willing to do. It’s absurd that #1 seeds have had the least amount of voice in this process from the coin toss to off site neutral games being played.

agree...if it was 4 teams that didn't want to travel it would be crazy for the section to not do it. I wouldn't say they have the least amount. they have just as much as any of the other schools not represented in the vote.

 

[Truthhertz]

Any lower seed should be willing to do what #1 seeds are willing to do. It’s absurd that #1 seeds have had the least amount of voice in this process from the coin toss to off site neutral games being played.

your note reading right...imagine that. He noted 3 number 1 seeds and a 2 that is already up north. you are very selective in what you like to write about.

Seems to me he is fairly clear in stating lower seeds should be willing to do what #1 seeds are will to do. So how exactly am I not reading this right again?

 

[rcr1734]

Seems to me he is fairly clear in stating lower seeds should be willing to do what #1 seeds are will to do. So how exactly am I not reading this right again?

he did say that. but that doesn't mean the lower seeds weren't willing to travel?? he mentioned 3 lower seeds that didn't want to. what if the other 18 said rhey WOULD?That's you jumping to selective things to write about and at least not understanding what you read vs reading it right.

 

[Truthhertz]

he did say that. but that doesn't mean the lower seeds weren't willing to travel?? he mentioned 3 lower seeds that didn't want to. what if the other 18 said rhey WOULD?That's you jumping to selective things to write about and at least not understanding what you read vs reading it right.

Hmmm, think I was pretty clear. Those not willing to do whatever it takes to play and move on don’t deserve to move on. Doesn’t matter if it’s one, three, or ten teams does it? No. You’re just chapped for whatever reason here, I guess you didn’t like my sarcasm about how ridiculous NCS is handling this situation.

 

[rcr1734]

“So if I’m reading this right seems lower seeds are balking here where as higher seeds are willing to travel? Huh. Imagine that?”.....this is how you started that same paragraph!! The only thing that I am chapped about is that you continue picking and choosing what parts you want to say, read, or comprehend. Does that seem clear to you?

 

[northbaybbguru]

CN was (and is) ready to pack up and play anywhere..Eureka? lets go!!

My biggest problem is that the NCS commissioner decided on friday to cancel all the games and not leave himself an out...that is if Monday AQ was good to play all the games then. It sounds to me like he wanted the weekend off.

I know that CN was looking into hosting all 3 NCS D3 games on Monday if AQ was a go.

The commissioner really dropped the ball on this and needed to be proactive and not reactive.
He's retiring correct? Yeah good HE NEEDS TO GO.

 

[northbayfb]

he did say that. but that doesn't mean the lower seeds weren't willing to travel?? he mentioned 3 lower seeds that didn't want to. what if the other 18 said rhey WOULD?That's you jumping to selective things to write about and at least not understanding what you read vs reading it

Dude its simple. Superintendent West Contra Costa wouldn't allow El Cerrito and Kennedy to go, Napa Valley would not support American Canyon going(she was previous AD at AC) and Encinal coach was "not prepared to play". Those were your dissenters.

 

[Truthhertz]

So if I’m reading this right seems lower seeds are balking here where as higher seeds are willing to travel? Huh. Imagine that?”.....this is how you started that same paragraph!! The only thing that I am chapped about is that you continue picking and choosing what parts you want to say, read, or comprehend. Does that seem clear to you?

Um. Again statement is pretty clear. 1. Lower seeds weren’t able/willing to travel. 2. Using term “seeds” is valid because it was more than 1 as you yourself confirmed. 3. Not sure what I’m picking and choosing here because I state after those opening statements anybody not willing to do whatever it takes to play doesn’t deserve to play. So where exactly is the picking and choosing here?

 

[KennedyFootball]

https://www.times-standard.com/2018...o-head-coin-flip-could-decide-section-champs/

Please get your facts straight. Kennedy has never backed down from a challenge!!

 

[rcr1734]

https://www.times-standard.com/2018...o-head-coin-flip-could-decide-section-champs/

Please get your facts straight. Kennedy has never backed down from a challenge!!

Thank you