NorCal Pre-Season Top 20

[Rmbr26]

FYI for fans following my Top 20 thread I'll state one more time - the rankings are NOT my opinion but derived from MaxPreps & Freeman-CalPreps computer generated stats.
Certainly they're open for debate incl the Top 3. My view of the teams is not "skewed" in any way as I'm simply posting what is already out there.

 

[cashisking18]

FYI for fans following my Top 20 thread I'll state one more time - the rankings are NOT my opinion but derived from MaxPreps & Freeman-CalPreps computer generated stats.
Certainly they're open for debate incl the Top 3. My view of the teams is not "skewed" in any way as I'm simply posting what is already out there.

@SpartanzRule there is your answer.

Folsom
Pitt
DLS

And any DLS fan should be the last person complaining about promoting agendas. Just look through the threads on this site. We can promote ours too.

 

[SpartanzRule]

FYI for fans following my Top 20 thread I'll state one more time - the rankings are NOT my opinion but derived from MaxPreps & Freeman-CalPreps computer generated stats.
Certainly they're open for debate incl the Top 3. My view of the teams is not "skewed" in any way as I'm simply posting what is already out there.

You shoulda meeting Ed

@SpartanzRule there is your answer.

Folsom
Pitt
DLS

I see that. But that’s not what you were claiming on the on the national board. NCP, the only poll that counts for NorCal, has DLS#1. It’ll be a moot point in a couple of weeks

 

[DLSPop1314]

Calpreps does not agree with you. The highest rated team DLS beat last year was St. Johns (65 on Calpreps). The highest rated team Folsom beat last year was Helix (65.8). DLS lost to higher rated teams (BG 72.5 and MD 97). But the reality is that DLS cannot claim to have beaten a better team than Folsom defeated in 2017. I think it is reasonable to claim that they both beat teams that are relatively equivalent including Central.

I’m a CP advocate but you are really stretching your over reliance on CP

No one else would agree with that — SJC was recognized by every other poll as top 25 nationally and Helix was the poster child for how CP overrated 2nd Tier socal teams

DLS got run by BG — one of worst DLS performances I’ve seen and no reason to think Folsom couldn’t have done as well or better. DLS also got run by MD which could about name theirnscore in anyone in country last year (inc BG) — no reason to think Folsom could have done any better there.

The only real difference game in their schedules imho (after all, they had one direct comparison and result was almost identical) was SJC

Folsom would have been an underdog to SJC at any point last year. Besides DLS, their only other loss was by 4 to SJB. They are ahead of DLS, Folsom, and BG in every preseason poll out right now and Helix is maybe a fringe top 25 CA team

For all that, I don’t have any problem with Folsom being ranked ahead of DLS in preseason. Folsom has done enough so that if someone wants to give them the benefit of the doubt, you can shrug your shoulders and say “hmmm, I agree” or “hmmm, I have a different opinion”. My point was that putting Pitt ahead of DLS when DLS has a 30-year unbeaten streak against NorCal teams that included Pitt more than any other when DLS is supposed to have a much better team than last 2 years is hard to justify. I think DLS has more and better players coming back from a team that beat Pitt by 17 last year besides all else. Preseason rankings don’t matter — that one just seemed really strange like someone trying to be too cute with their approach

 

[DLSPop1314]

You shoulda meeting Ed


I see that. But that’s not what you were claiming on the on the national board. NCP, the only poll that counts for NorCal, has DLS#1. It’ll be a moot point in a couple of weeks

Is Folsom Pitt DLS just made up by G61/ Block?

 

[DLSPop1314]

Debatable at best.

People try to bash Helix because it's an excuse for why folsom won and shouldn't be rated very high. The reality is Helix was a good team. They're line was twice the size as that of Folsoms and they got pushed around. They had one of the best corners in the country who was abused by Joe Ngaga and Elijah Badger.

But like you said- none of that really matters. We will find out in just under 3 weeks.

Folsom 42-35

It might be debatable whether SJC was better than any team Folsom has ever played

SJC v Helix is not remotely debatable

 

[SpartanzRule]

Is Folsom Pitt DLS just made up by G61/ Block?

Yep

 

[SpartanzRule]

It might be debatable whether SJC was better than any team Folsom has ever played

SJC v Helix is not remotely debatable

I agree with this. SJC would dismantle Helix. As you said, SJC was good last year, and will be better this year.

 

[cashisking18]

SJC v Helix is not remotely debatable

It is debatable.

SJC looked good on paper and for one half of football. They completely fell apart in the 2nd half and looked abolsutely mediocre. Helix would have an extremely good shot at beating the team I saw that day.

I still don't think DLS will be as good this year as they were last year. Folsom will be better than last year.

I stand by my prediction. Folsom 42-35.

 

[SpartanzRule]

It is debatable.

SJC looked good on paper and for one half of football. They completely fell apart in the 2nd half and looked abolsutely mediocre. Helix would have an extremely good shot at beating the team I saw that day.

I still don't think DLS will be as good this year as they were last year. Folsom will be better than last year.

I stand by my prediction. Folsom 42-35.

Cmon man! So you’re saying that DLS will take a step back this year? Do you even really follow HSFB? Seriously, why do you think DLS will not be as good this season?

 

[cashisking18]

Cmon man! So you’re saying that DLS will take a step back this year? Do you even really follow HSFB? Seriously, why do you think DLS will not be as good this season?

Multiple people and outlets have stated this. Not just me.

You haven't even seen them play. They beat nobody that was an edge better than Folsom last year. These are facts.

Even IF SJC was better than folsom (highly debatbale), it took a second hand miracle and a collapse by SJC in 105 degree weather for DLS to win that game. And DLS is going to just whoop Folsom? Laughable.

Folsom 42-35.

 

[colhenrylives]

Until someone from NorCal actually defeats DLS, all the pre-season chatter is just so much hot air and hopeful speculation with no basis in fact whatsoever. If Folsom (or any other NorCal outfit) beats the Sons of Sparta, fabulous. If not, it's just MOS, more of the same.

 

[HereWeGo2019]

Agreed that you cant drop DLS from the #1 spot in Nor Cal without a reason for it, like actually actually losing to a Nor Cal team. Its just pre-season banter anyway.

Besides, its all about who's going to be #2 anyway. Come December Pitt will in the #1 spot,,,,,

like i said, pre season banter lol

 

[SpartanzRule]

Multiple people and outlets have stated this. Not just me.

You haven't even seen them play. They beat nobody that was an edge better than Folsom last year. These are facts.

Even IF SJC was better than folsom (highly debatbale), it took a second hand miracle and a collapse by SJC in 105 degree weather for DLS to win that game. And DLS is going to just whoop Folsom? Laughable.

Folsom 42-35.

Herein lies your problem. You listen to outlets. I have seen them play. Many times. And I’ve seen them in practice. And the most important thing is that I know the kids. Several personally. They’re not ready to lose...especially to Folsom. As far as SJC, they’re better than Folsom. And conditioning is part of the game.

This DLS team has a new Qb that will make them 100% better on offense...even as a soph. No more being one-dimensional. Wait til he’s a junior and senior. Their OL is going to be big and much better than last year. Theyve got a 6-5 TE that will be uncoverable with their new QB. They’ve got a defense full of three-year starters with 5 D1s led by a one of the top 5 LBs in the country, 3 Spartans will be power 5 recruits. Both corners and FS run track...and as you like to say, they’re all older now. I would recommend stop reading whatever publications that have DLS taking a step back this season.

 

[pc2986]

Serra hosts SF in the last league game of the season - could decide the title!

It will book it!!

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

Top 10 HS nationally since 2003 (Maxpreps)
1. De La Salle (CA)
2. Allen (TX)
3. Southlake Carroll (TX)
4. Katy (TX)
5. Colerain (OH)
6. Euless Trinity (TX)
7. Don Bosco Prep (NJ)
8. St. Xavier (OH)
9. Warren Central (IN)
10. Mission Viejo (CA)

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

Helix put 42 on Folsom last season and wasn't a juggernaut on offense. Not the typical Helix team other than defense was respectable.

 

[observer22]

Top 10 HS nationally since 2003 (Maxpreps)
1. De La Salle (CA)
2. Allen (TX)
3. Southlake Carroll (TX)
4. Katy (TX)
5. Colerain (OH)
6. Euless Trinity (TX)
7. Don Bosco Prep (NJ)
8. St. Xavier (OH)
9. Warren Central (IN)
10. Mission Viejo (CA)

How many of these teams has DLS played since 2003? Trinity, Bosco & maybe MV? There was talk of a possible game with Allen a few years back, but I don’t think that ever panned out.

 

[Marcskit]

Herein lies your problem. You listen to outlets. I have seen them play. Many times. And I’ve seen them in practice. And the most important thing is that I know the kids. Several personally. They’re not ready to lose...especially to Folsom. As far as SJC, they’re better than Folsom. And conditioning is part of the game.

This DLS team has a new Qb that will make them 100% better on offense...even as a soph. No more being one-dimensional. Wait til he’s a junior and senior. Their OL is going to be big and much better than last year. Theyve got a 6-5 TE that will be uncoverable with their new QB. They’ve got a defense full of three-year starters with 5 D1s led by a one of the top 5 LBs in the country, 3 Spartans will be power 5 recruits. Both corners and FS run track...and as you like to say, they’re all older now. I would recommend stop reading whatever publications that have DLS taking a step back this season.

That is very impressive SpartanzRule. It is quite fortunate to have so many quality kids from the city of concord play together. Every once in awhile things come together, and a small community has a group of great athletes playing for the local team. It happens every so often up here, in the deep hills and hollow's of the North Section.

Here's wishing you great football

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

1. DLS - Folsom may score 21-28 but will need to stop the DLS 35-40
2. Pitt - just to mess with the Folsom faithful but probably athletically a tough matchup for any team in the north.
3. St Francis - remember Bells against Folsom....just messing with Dog fans, but not a given that this isn't a tough game.
4. Serra - remember Bells against Folsom....just messing with Dog fans again, but not a given that this isn't a tough game.
5. Folsom - need a defense to step up. Helix, without an elite offense or close to a strong year for them, put up 40 on last years Folsom team

 

[DLSPop1314]

It is debatable.

SJC looked good on paper and for one half of football. They completely fell apart in the 2nd half and looked abolsutely mediocre. Helix would have an extremely good shot at beating the team I saw that day.

I still don't think DLS will be as good this year as they were last year. Folsom will be better than last year.

I stand by my prediction. Folsom 42-35.

I’m not debating Folsom/ DLS (although sounds like folsom guy made up that order for his own amusement). Those two teams are close and will be settled in the field early.

You are smoking something and not paying attention if you think SJC and helix are even the same animal.

Helix lost to Division 5 Paraclete...... by 17!!

No one that saw both teams last year would agree with you

 

[DLSPop1314]

How many of these teams has DLS played since 2003? Trinity, Bosco? Maybe MV?

Yes

In other words. more than anyone else

 

[DLSPop1314]

And any DLS fan should be the last person complaining about promoting agendas. Just look through the threads on this site. We can promote ours too.

Ahhh

You’re a Folsom guy and just made up the rankings for a reaction

Explains your takes

Good luck in 18 days

 

[feedback1]

Look at all you DLS guys agreeing with each other. How nice. You know if you keep saying over and over (and click your heels together twice), your rhetoric will come true?

If you ever wonder why people don't care for DLS, just read your posts. You guys are wildly arrogant and not grounded in reality. I grew up in the days where the clearly dominant team would just point to the scoreboard and not (need to) say anything. But you guys just talk and talk and talk. So much garbage talk. And so much intolerance for opposing view points and opinions. Your team is fantastic. You guys not so much.

 

[SpartanzRule]

That is very impressive SpartanzRule. It is quite fortunate to have so many quality kids from the city of concord play together. Every once in awhile things come together, and a small community has a group of great athletes playing for the local team. It happens every so often up here, in the deep hills and hollow's of the North Section.

Here's wishing you great football

Ahhh

You’re a Folsom guy and just made up the rankings for a reaction

Explains your takes

Good luck in 18 days

Pop,

Look at all you DLS guys agreeing with each other. How nice. You know if you keep saying over and over (and click your heels together twice), your rhetoric will come true?

If you ever wonder why people don't care for DLS, just read your posts. You guys are wildly arrogant and not grounded in reality. I grew up in the days where the clearly dominant team would just point to the scoreboard and not (need to) say anything. But you guys just talk and talk and talk. So much garbage talk. And so much intolerance for opposing view points and opinions. Your team is fantastic. You guys not so much.

Dude. Are you gonna cry a little tear for us, feed? And now you’re speaking for everyone huh? Get a life son. It’s a message board for crying out loud. Have fun, good grief. ....and Im confident that I will be pointing to scoreboard when it’s all said and done. Question? Not that really care, but is it ok for you Folsom fans to talk smack, but nobody else? Oh the ironic hypocrisy....lol!

 

[cashisking18]

1. DLS - Folsom may score 21-28 but will need to stop the DLS 35-40
2. Pitt - just to mess with the Folsom faithful but probably athletically a tough matchup for any team in the north.
3. St Francis - remember Bells against Folsom....just messing with Dog fans, but not a given that this isn't a tough game.
4. Serra - remember Bells against Folsom....just messing with Dog fans again, but not a given that this isn't a tough game.
5. Folsom - need a defense to step up. Helix, without an elite offense or close to a strong year for them, put up 40 on last years Folsom team

So Serra, St Francis, and Pitt are all better than folsom right now in your opinion?

 

[observer22]

Yes

In other words. more than anyone else

It was legitimate question. It wasn’t a yes or no. So 3? Of course they’ve played more than Folsom or Pitt. But you’re saying more than BG or anyone else?

 

[cashisking18]

Pop,


Dude. Are you gonna cry a little tear for us, feed? And now you’re speaking for everyone huh? Get a life son. It’s a message board for crying out loud. Have fun, good grief. ....and Im confident that I will be pointing to scoreboard when it’s all said and done. Question? Not that really care, but is it ok for you Folsom fans to talk smack, but nobody else? Oh the ironic hypocrisy....lol!

Folsom fans talk smack because of the DLS posters. It's funny they proclaim freedom to talk snack yet are the FIRST ones to complain when they are getting snacked talked back.

3 weeks can't come soon enough. This win will be nice.

 

[cashisking18]

I’m not debating Folsom/ DLS (although sounds like folsom guy made up that order for his own amusement). Those two teams are close and will be settled in the field early.

You are smoking something and not paying attention if you think SJC and helix are even the same animal.

Helix lost to Division 5 Paraclete...... by 17!!

No one that saw both teams last year would agree with you

We can debate all you want but SJC was overrated. They had some athletes but lacked heart and fell apart in the second half against DLS.

I'd put them at the 8-10 spot MAYBE in CA last year, which ironically is where Helix ended up.

DLS didnt beat anyone last year that was an arm and a leg above Folsom. Nobody. Common opponent scores back that up as well.

18 days.........

 

[DLSPop1314]

Look at all you DLS guys agreeing with each other. How nice. You know if you keep saying over and over (and click your heels together twice), your rhetoric will come true?

If you ever wonder why people don't care for DLS, just read your posts. You guys are wildly arrogant and not grounded in reality. I grew up in the days where the clearly dominant team would just point to the scoreboard and not (need to) say anything. But you guys just talk and talk and talk. So much garbage talk. And so much intolerance for opposing view points and opinions. Your team is fantastic. You guys not so much.

Interesting choice of targets for your admonishments

You’ve got a couple of posters saying they think their team will win but it’ll all be settled in the field soon and their team hasn’t lost locally in 30 years

You’ve got another guy whose team hasn’t done nearly that and has been trounced in a couple of occasions posting repeatedly (for months, on any website that doesn’t kick him off, which has been several including this one), saying “book it, Folsom by 10” (that’s another board — he’s only predicting 42-35 here

Why did you choose to target the former rather than the latter and who are these people that are bothered by DLS fans — imho, DLS and their fans respected locally much more than any other power that’s dominated an area for a long time

DLS will lose a NorCal game someday — might be in less than 3 weeks

The only one not saying that is Folsom fan

 

[DLSPop1314]

We can debate all you want but SJC was overrated. They had some athletes but lacked heart and fell apart in the second half against DLS.

I'd put them at the 8-10 spot MAYBE in CA last year, which ironically is where Helix ended up.

DLS didnt beat anyone last year that was an arm and a leg above Folsom. Nobody. Common opponent scores back that up as well.

18 days.........

You are famous for your obstinance against conventional wisdom

All I can say is that absolutely no one agrees with you, including and especially socal guys who know Helix best and saw them lose to a Division 5 team by 3 TDs

That would be akin to saying Amador Valley and Folsom are in same level

 

[ILOVETROJANFOOTBALL]

Top 10 HS nationally since 2003 (Maxpreps)
1. De La Salle (CA)
2. Allen (TX)
3. Southlake Carroll (TX)
4. Katy (TX)
5. Colerain (OH)
6. Euless Trinity (TX)
7. Don Bosco Prep (NJ)
8. St. Xavier (OH)
9. Warren Central (IN)
10. Mission Viejo (CA)

And Clark caught it on January 10, 1982. Memories of the way we were.

 

[DLSPop1314]

It was legitimate question. It wasn’t a yes or no. So 3? Of course they’ve played more than Folsom or Pitt. But you’re saying more than BG or anyone else?

On that specific list where your point seemed to be “hey, how many of these teams did DLS play?” My answer was correct — DLS has played more than anyone else, including BG, which has only played DLS

If your statement was just about who’s played most good teams, I wouldn’t have said that (too hard to figure nationally over last 15 years)

But your point was that list, I think

 

[cashisking18]

You are famous for your obstinance against conventional wisdom

All I can say is that absolutely no one agrees with you, including and especially socal guys who know Helix best and saw them lose to a Division 5 team by 3 TDs

That would be akin to saying Amador Valley and Folsom are in same level

No one has to agree with me. I have made my predictions known. It will play out the way I've stated in about 18 days.

And I think you hit the nail on the head in regards to the mobile QB. I have stated multiple times that I believe this is the x factor.

 

[LMRJONES]

No one has to agree with me. I have made my predictions known. It will play out the way I've stated in about 18 days.

And If it does not - can we stop hearing about Folsom being on DLS level - Finally!

 

[northbayfb]

This will be a great season for your area. I have two takes 1) I believe DLS was probably at its most vulnerable for a loss last year given the one dimensional offense they were saddled with. So everyone else needs to be better than last years team 2) Should Pitt vs DLS happen it seems like this will be the first time DLS doesn't have the more highly acclaimed lineman in a loong time.

 

[observer22]

On that specific list where your point seemed to be “hey, how many of these teams did DLS play?” My answer was correct — DLS has played more than anyone else, including BG, which has only played DLS

If your statement was just about who’s played most good teams, I wouldn’t have said that (too hard to figure nationally over last 15 years)

But your point was that list, I think

No, my point was just in finding out how many of the teams on that list DLS has played over the years, not anyone else. They’ve been doing it for much longer, so I would assume they’ve played more than anyone else. A couple stood out, but no Mullen, St. Thomas Aquinas, St John’s, BG, SJB, Byrnes, etc. Just curious how many on that list they had actually met head on, no hidden agenda.

 

[14U2ALLNV]

Look at all you DLS guys agreeing with each other. How nice. You know if you keep saying over and over (and click your heels together twice), your rhetoric will come true?

If you ever wonder why people don't care for DLS, just read your posts. You guys are wildly arrogant and not grounded in reality. I grew up in the days where the clearly dominant team would just point to the scoreboard and not (need to) say anything. But you guys just talk and talk and talk. So much garbage talk. And so much intolerance for opposing view points and opinions. Your team is fantastic. You guys not so much.

I’m sorry feedback but you just described a Folsom fan to the tee. I went to a soccer tournament in Folsom and talked to a few parents. They all said pretty much you won’t find a Folsom fan or parent you will like. They all think they are generally better then you. The city was very nice. The craziest thing is in a few weeks you will get your ass kicked and still think your a better team. Right now I am pointing at the score board from 2012 and 2013 but you don’t care. And that’s not enough for you. So don’t even try and pull that BS. I believe that you will show your face after the game. And I respect that. But that other clown (cashisking18) we will never hear from again.

 

[DLSPop1314]

No, my point was just in finding out how many of the teams on that list DLS has played over the years, not anyone else. They’ve been doing it for much longer, so I would assume they’ve played more than anyone else. A couple stood out, but no Mullen, St. Thomas Aquinas, St John’s, BG, SJB, Byrnes, etc. Just curious how many on that list they had actually met head on, no hidden agenda.

Understood

That list was heavy TX which isn’t a surprise but Trinity is about only top TX team that plays much OOS and DLS has played them

GCL also heavy in list — DLS didn’t play St C or Coletrain but did play Elder

I don’t necessarily agree with list in any event — MV most overrated team in state year in year out but how they are socal’s top team over CC since ‘03 is beyond me — anyway, DLS played one of them 4x and the other 5x

Some of your answers are easy — Mullen really only had a 3-year run among national elite (ended 2 years prior to DLS game), BG wasn’t nearly so good back then and gets dragged down by horrible SOS in NV, Byrnes is/was top southern team on dynasty rankings when they played DLS but their decline had already begun from their 00 teams, STA loses too many games they shouldn’t (they’ve probably lost 10-12 games this decade and never had an inferior roster) — their SOS isn’t as impressive as their roster either

Etc

 

[cashisking18]

So @Streak One I am curious here.

The two DLS posters above can say "your going to your ass kicked," "your cute little D7 championships." Blah blah blah. Basically taunting all Folsom fans. My posts and responses have been strictly football.

But if anyone responds in the same manner, my guess is they won't be here for long. Can we clarify here?

I get a warning for posting my game predictions?

If this is open season on this forum, please let me know and I shall engage both of these dudes to the full extent.