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D1 MCCLATCHY
FOLSOM
LINCOLN
ST. FRANCIS
OAK RIDGE
5 OUT OF 8 teams SJS section

D2 SAC HIGH
VANDEN
ROSEVILLE
ELK GROVE
MODESTO CHRISTIAN
5 OUT OF 8 TEAMS SJS SECTION

D3 CHRISTIAN BROTHERS
1 OUT OF 8 TEAM SJS SECTION

D4 WEST CAMPUS
1 OUT OF 8 TEAM SJS SECTION

D5 ARGONAT
CAPITAL CHRISTIAN
SAN JOAQUIN MEMORIAL
3 OUT OF 8 TEAMS SJS SECTION

OVERALL 15 out of 40 good start of the playoffs

Open with SMS HEALTHY good chance to win the open?

Norcal championship predictions

OPEN SMS
D1 MCCLATCHY
D2 VANDEN
D3 Campo
D4 WEST CAMPUS
D5 ESCP

4 OUT 6 CHAMPIONSHIP I'M PREDICTING SJS SECTION.

GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE!!!
 
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With only 1 OPEN rep the SJS is the weakest section.

In order to be the best you must play the best. What does it matter who wins the NON OPEN norcals they are all just default championships anyhow.

Your words...not mine
 
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Northbay

Be honest in the Open this they should have on out 2 teams. That's Mitty and SMS which will face off in the second round. Put the rest back in theIraq division.

Open SMS
D1 mcClatchy
D2 VANDEN
D3 BODY OR SALESIAN
D4 WEST CAMPUS
D5 PINEWOOD

NOT CHANGED IN THE OPEN, D1, D2, AND D4. SAME RESULTS strong division
 
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Northbay

Be honest in the Open this they should have on out 2 teams. That's Mitty and SMS which will face off in the second round. Put the rest back in theIraq division.

Open SMS
D1 mcClatchy
D2 VANDEN
D3 BODY OR SALESIAN
D4 WEST CAMPUS
D5 PINEWOOD

NOT CHANGED IN THE OPEN, D1, D2, AND D4. SAME RESULTS strong division
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No Open
D1 SMS
D2 Mitty
D3 Salesian
D4 West Campus
D5 Pinewood

CCC 2
SJS 2
NCS 1
 
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RespectBBGame said:
Jaymel911

You know you are right and just prove NCS is the weakest division!!!!!
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But who represented Norcal last year in the Open? OH MM..... isn't that NCS?

And this year is yet to be determined. So if you all like living in the past these Millennials are about to drive you crazy. NCS are the Norcal Open champs until someone replaces them........ if someone replaces them from outside of NCS this year.
 
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Open history
BOD/SMS
Salesian/Miramonte
SMS/Miramonte
Miramonte/Pinewood

Those are your top Nor Cal Teams the last four years
NCS 6 teams in the finals
SJS 2 Teams in the finals
CCS 1 team in the finals
 
Pick your top 5 in each section and then compare H2H results...easy enough.

NCS...pretty easy call

1.CLET
2.Salesian
3.BOD
4.CN
5.MM

SJS
????


CCS
????


I think NCS head to head DESTROYS the other divisions...

Pick 5 and lets see..


In fact Id say the SJS h2h record is BY FAR the worst...
 
Sacramento Area only first round game recap:

Overwhelmingly Overachieved and Far Exceeded Expectations
#11 St. Francis (Sacto.) beating Logan by 29 points at Logan, 81 - 52 (not 81-62 that moderator Streak One listed)

Overachieved and Exceeded Expectations
#9 Folsom beat #8 Castro Valley 68-50 or by 18 points at Castro Valley
#9 Roseville beat #8 Montgomery 58-51 at Montgomery

Met Expectations
#1 West Campus beat #16 Willows 62-18
#2 McClatchy beat #15 Washington-San Francisco 70-27
#5 Sacramento beat #12 Newark Memorial 65-31
#7 Elk Grove beat #10 Presentation 57-43

Underachieved - Barely Met Expectation
#4 Oak Ridge beat #13 Lincoln-San Francisco 53-44 at O.R.
 
SJS
SMS
McClatchy
Vanden
SAC HIGH
BROOKSIDE

Match ups

SMS vs Carondelet

McClatchy vs Silesian

Vanden vs BOD

SAC HIGH VS MM

Brookside vs CN


That that beat all day on a mutual court with CCS refs. CCS refs let you play physical all day!!!!!

Speed kills on all 5 teams SJS with physical play of them games right of the bat.
 
cptmycpa said:
Sacramento Area only first round game recap:

Overwhelmingly Overachieved and Far Exceeded Expectations
#11 St. Francis (Sacto.) beating Logan by 29 points at Logan, 81 - 52 (not 81-62 that moderator Streak One listed).
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I looked at the record of Logan ( who they beat and lost too) and I could not understand why they had them as the 5th seed. The 5th seed should have been Lincoln of Stockton. It seems to be a pattern that they over seed the SF area teams. Perhaps they were just trying to compensate for the fact that the Sac Joaquin section had so many teams in D1 because only SMS went to Open. I mean now LIncoln has to play Mc Clatchy in the second game much like BC did in the Section. If they would have been going by the best teams BC should also have been included in the D1 Norcals since they were eliminated by Mc Clatchy early. Put that into context with the fact that the strength of the D1 being from the Sac Joaquin section and the weak cupcakes from the SF areas filling out the field excluding them seems ridiculous.

Makes me think of two years ago when Lincoln of Stockton had only 3 loses reg season losses with two of those being to SMS. They were still seeded low in the Section and got knocked off at Davis by one in overtime so they didn't make the final four. SMS went up to Open yet Lincoln was not chosen to fill their slot. Instead three teams from the SF area that Lincoln had destroyed earlier were taken. One of those was rated as high as #5. yet Lincoln who beat them soundly was left out. They did take the other Lincoln who had a terrible record against really weak teams. It seems that geographic PC politics is very active when it comes to the selection and seeding committee's.
 
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You would think a top 5 team from the SJS section would at least qualify for the Norcal tourney, especially with 5 D1 players. BTW, when is that signing party? Those NCS teams that you listed are 13-2 against the SJS.... Just saying.
 
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Willtalk said:
I looked at the record of Logan ( who they beat and lost too) and I could not understand why they had them as the 5th seed. The 5th seed should have been Lincoln of Stockton. It seems to be a pattern that they over seed the SF area teams. Perhaps they were just trying to compensate for the fact that the Sac Joaquin section had so many teams in D1 because only SMS went to Open. I mean now LIncoln has to play Mc Clatchy in the second game much like BC did in the Section. If they would have been going by the best teams BC should also have been included in the D1 Norcals since they were eliminated by Mc Clatchy early. Put that into context with the fact that the strength of the D1 being from the Sac Joaquin section and the weak cupcakes from the SF areas filling out the field excluding them seems ridiculous.

Makes me think of two years ago when Lincoln of Stockton had only 3 loses reg season losses with two of those being to SMS. They were still seeded low in the Section and got knocked off at Davis by one in overtime so they didn't make the final four. SMS went up to Open yet Lincoln was not chosen to fill their slot. Instead three teams from the SF area that Lincoln had destroyed earlier were taken. One of those was rated as high as #5. yet Lincoln who beat them soundly was left out. They did take the other Lincoln who had a terrible record against really weak teams. It seems that geographic PC politics is very active when it comes to the selection and seeding committee's.
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One huge blunder last year with the seeding committee was McClatchy being seeded 7th last year in Section playoffs when they were basically ranked #1 in the City all year. They had a very strong pre-season schedule that included wins over SHC and CN (both went on to be State Champions in their respective divisions). They had to travel to Oak Ridge in 2nd round matchup and lost a low scoring battle. Similar to BC, since they were a 7th seed and lost before semi-finals, they were left out of NorCals.
 
I believe it is based on the MaxPreps ranking with some discretion if need be.
 
The seeding is done by the commissioner of the SJS. Who is also the head of the Basketball committee of the SJ S. THE MAN IN THE HOT SEAT DID THE SEEDING. THAT'S BROOKSIDE WAS A 7 SEED NOT THE 5 SEED or 6 SEED. Just because someone disagree with you rule don't take it out on the whole team.

Take out on kids that deserve more that's not a good for the SJS commissioner!!!!!
 
basketba11 said:
One huge blunder last year with the seeding committee was McClatchy being seeded 7th last year in Section playoffs when they were basically ranked #1 in the City all year. They had a very strong pre-season schedule that included wins over SHC and CN (both went on to be State Champions in their respective divisions). They had to travel to Oak Ridge in 2nd round matchup and lost a low scoring battle. Similar to BC, since they were a 7th seed and lost before semi-finals, they were left out of NorCals.
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Agree completely. And now look based on today's MaxPreps rankings:
Folsom (state ranked #25) plays at M-A #20
St. Francis #58 plays at Heritage #48
Lincoln #41 plays at McClatchy #39
Berkeley #65 plays at Oak Ridge #45

Looks like Oak Ridge has the easiest game. Oak Ridge always seems to get the best draw.
 
cptmycpa said:
Agree completely. And now look based on today's MaxPreps rankings:
Folsom (state ranked #25) plays at M-A #20
St. Francis #58 plays at Heritage #48
Lincoln #41 plays at McClatchy #39
Berkeley #65 plays at Oak Ridge #45

Looks like Oak Ridge has the easiest game. Oak Ridge always seems to get the best draw.
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I'm not sure Oakridge will find Berkeley as an easy win.
 
Paytc said:
I'm not sure Oakridge will find Berkeley as an easy win.
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I agree, Oak Ridge seems to be very over rated this year and has gotten some very good and beneficial seeding placement this year and the past. But big advantage for them that to play Berkeley at their home gym that should help them immensely.
 
basketba11 said:
I agree, Oak Ridge seems to be very over rated this year and has gotten some very good and beneficial seeding placement this year and the past. But big advantage for them that to play Berkeley at their home gym that should help them immensely.
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Yes-agree. And also remember the 2014-15 season (two years ago), when Oak Ridge lost in the SJS section semi-finals to McClatchy, and Berkeley was the NCS section winner. Oak Ridge received a #2 seed and first-round bye in the NorCals, and Berkeley had to play a first-round game and then play at Oak Ridge in the second round--and lost.
 
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Like I said all along strongest division is the SJS this year with 3 representative in the State game.

D1 McClatchy
D2 Vanden
D4 West Campus

McClatchy over Windward unless they shoot horrible on the free throw line. 8

Vanden over Mater Dei 7

West Campus over Los Osos with easy win this division with all teams move out of D4 this year.

COULD THE SJS BE THE STRONG SECTION IN THE STATE AND BRING 3 STATE TITLES HOME. THERE IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE!!!!!
 
seriously respect????

have you forgotten that practically the entire OPEN division was chosen from the NCS and CCS?

with NO OPEN....

D1... SMS or CLET (SJS/NCS)
D2...Mitty (CCS)
D3...Salesian, BOD or Campo (NCS).... or possibly SHC (CCS)
D4...CN (NCS)
D5...PW (CCS)

That looks to me like 2 NCS, 2CCS and ONLY ONE POSSIBLE SJS...and that's a maybe....because CLET would have had that game at home vs SMS.

Your statement that the SJS is the strongest is an absolute RIDICULOUS observation.

You cant maintain that to "be the best you have to play the best" and then come with THAT take.
 
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Northbay

From the score of the games the championship Norcal OPEN was the second round SMS vs Kitty. So the best of SJS SMS played in that game everyone knew was the championship game.

In the state CCS has 2 teams. SJS has 3, and NCS 1.
 
Obviously SJS has good teams, as Vanden just beat us ... but what if Vanden had been in the Open instead of Cardinal Newman? Now Miramonte is the favorite in D2, Cardinal Newman is the favorite in D4 and Vanden is unlikely to get past Mitty in the Open. That would put three NCS teams in state finals and two CCS (Mitty and Eastside Prep).

I'm not saying SJS isn't strong, but just that one move would have shifted things considerably, and it certainly does appear Vanden and Cardinal Newman were the two teams in contention for the final Open spot.
 
ClayK said:
Obviously SJS has good teams, as Vanden just beat us ... but what if Vanden had been in the Open instead of Cardinal Newman? Now Miramonte is the favorite in D2, Cardinal Newman is the favorite in D4 and Vanden is unlikely to get past Mitty in the Open. That would put three NCS teams in state finals and two CCS (Mitty and Eastside Prep).

I'm not saying SJS isn't strong, but just that one move would have shifted things considerably, and it certainly does appear Vanden and Cardinal Newman were the two teams in contention for the final Open spot.
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True. But who knows, McClatchy may have been an even better pick than Vanden? Or how about throwing big Oakridge to the wolves?

Congratulations to the teams that are representing Norcal in the state championships. And congratulations to all the girls from each team who've given it their best this season.
 
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Only 1 SJS team was in the Open Division this year. That definitely doesn't make them the strongest division in the State. And I don't think McClatchy or Vanden will be favored to win their games as Windward and Mater Dei are both ranked much higher. We will see how the games play out, but I will definitely be rooting for the NorCal teams to represent!
 
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ClayK said:
Obviously SJS has good teams, as Vanden just beat us ... but what if Vanden had been in the Open instead of Cardinal Newman? Now Miramonte is the favorite in D2, Cardinal Newman is the favorite in D4 and Vanden is unlikely to get past Mitty in the Open. That would put three NCS teams in state finals and two CCS (Mitty and Eastside Prep).

I'm not saying SJS isn't strong, but just that one move would have shifted things considerably, and it certainly does appear Vanden and Cardinal Newman were the two teams in contention for the final Open spot.
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Vanden would have put in before SHC (not CN) as the 8 seed....as CN beat SHC twice. CN was locked in as the 4th team (and 7th seed) from the NCS which then would have led to MM winning D2 and Vanden being 1 and done in the OPEN. It probably then would have ended up with SHC playing CAMPO in the D3 final at SHC...

Crazy how one seemingly different seed could have changed so much for 4 different teams.

You cant have it BOTH ways RESPECT...you are being a HUGE Hypocrite....

YOU'VE ALWAYS MAINTAINED "TO BE THE BEST YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE BEST"....SO IF YOU ONLY HAVE 1 OF YOUR TEAMS IN IN THE OPEN HOW CAN THE SJS BE THE BEST????

 
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RespectBBGame said:
SJS
SMS
McClatchy
Vanden
SAC HIGH
BROOKSIDE

Match ups

SMS vs Carondelet

McClatchy vs Silesian

Vanden vs BOD

SAC HIGH VS MM

Brookside vs CN


That that beat all day on a mutual court with CCS refs. CCS refs let you play physical all day!!!!!

Speed kills on all 5 teams SJS with physical play of them games right of the bat.
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Love those physical CCS refs!
 
Northbay

The best in the state play in the Open. The best team will be from the open. But now we looking at the over all.

I THINK the committee missed when the didn't put McClatchy in the open. McClatchy wasn't fully load until the end of the season. They would have beaten most of the teams like Carondelet, BOD, SHC, CN, and Pinewood. The only teams would have given them problems is Mitty and SMS.

The teams going to state in the SJS Vanden, McClatchy and West Campus have 2 things in common fast and Scrappy. The best team is the SJS is the same way SMS
 
McClatchy would have been a good choice ...

As always, there is no perfect system. This one is better than those that preceded it, but far from perfect ...
 
Clay

This year the Open was different then all the other year. There was on real 2 OPEN teams compared to have 5 teams in most other years. When Brackets went up everyone knew the game between Mitty and SMS was going to win Norcal OPEN. Most other years people where guessing who would win after the first because any of the teams could win. This year the only should have been 2 in the open. Everyone knew after SMS became healthy they was either one or 2 in the open.
 
RespectBBGame said:
Clay

This year the Open was different then all the other year. There was on real 2 OPEN teams compared to have 5 teams in most other years. When Brackets went up everyone knew the game between Mitty and SMS was going to win Norcal OPEN. Most other years people where guessing who would win after the first because any of the teams could win. This year the only should have been 2 in the open. Everyone knew after SMS became healthy they was either one or 2 in the open.
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With all due respect, even including the physical CCS refs, I think the NCS ladies take the SJS ladies out behind the woodshed as a whole this year!
 
RespectBBGame said:
Clay

This year the Open was different then all the other year. There was on real 2 OPEN teams compared to have 5 teams in most other years. When Brackets went up everyone knew the game between Mitty and SMS was going to win Norcal OPEN. Most other years people where guessing who would win after the first because any of the teams could win. This year the only should have been 2 in the open. Everyone knew after SMS became healthy they was either one or 2 in the open.
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Last year was the same. SMS and MM. Only SMS was upset.
 
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