Question: Why do Publics have open enrollment?
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Student/Parent Choice. If you are in a boundary of a school that sucks academically, many parents would rather send their kids to a school that doesn't suck.
On the flip side of Student/Parent choice is some choose a different school than their geographic boundaries dictate so their son plays in a system more suited to their individual talents.
In some districts, like Liberty Unified (Liberty, Heritage, Freedom), not every school offers the exact same classes or electives. If memory serves there was a law suit from a parent several years back against the LUSD because thier kid had to go to one school and wanted to go to another because they offered a certain class that the students boundary school did not. Open enrollment has more to do with academics than athletics in most cases.
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I know a kid that wasn't a starter on the Cal High Freshman football team and transferred to Dougherty Valley the second semester of his freshman year. Word on the street is DV is slightly superior to Cal High academically and the kid went on to be a fairly studly player at DV. In his case it was a win/win situation.
All schools should have open enrollment. Never understood why there are no boundaries for restaraunts, movie theaters, super markets, etc. but something as important as education and boundaries need to be drawn up.
Kids should be able to go to any school they want. The only stipulation I would have is a kid from outside the area cannot bounce a kid who lives in the schools district. The end result would be much better public schools over all.
Kids should be able to go to any school they want. The only stipulation I would have is a kid from outside the area cannot bounce a kid who lives in the schools district. The end result would be much better public schools over all.
Although I would prefer open enrollment for public schools, I think the limitation has to do with taxation issues for funding by political districts. That is the basic difference between public and private schools. I pay for the district public school through taxes but I don't have to pay for private schools near me. Therefore public school funding is more localized while private school funded is dictated by parent choice.
Are colleges publicly funded? Are libraries publicly funded? Is the DMV publicly funded?
Freedom is an important part of the Constitution. For some reason goofballs like you want to limit one of THE most important freedom issues- where to educate our children.
It must be nice to be surrounded by great public schools for you to choose for your kids. Many in America dont have that choice.
Maybe you are aware Bernie is anti-freedom? Try researching socialism and get back to me on your head scratching reference.
Who is this Gades person and what is the amazing information he poses that has you all giddy?
Sarcasm nor wit has no place in PJs blog world.
Ignorance of what urban public schools face from a lofty perch near Diablo is not surprising. And yes, I DO have a say where my tax dollars go. Spend your 16k....freedom of choice!
You know exactly who Gades10 is (and frankly, he's the only grad from the school willing to be constructively critical) ; just ducking.
Ignorance of what urban public schools face from a lofty perch near Diablo is not surprising. And yes, I DO have a say where my tax dollars go. Spend your 16k....freedom of choice!
You know exactly who Gades10 is (and frankly, he's the only grad from the school willing to be constructively critical) ; just ducking.
I dont view this is as a private vs public discussion. I am suggesting that parents can send their kids to any public school they wish- which brings more opportunity to parents and competition into the equation.
In regards to taxes- Im sure there are local taxes for each district but this can be adjusted. There are other tax streams that go to Sacramento and then are returned to the local districts as well.
Competition in schools would result in better performance by the schools. Voting by your feet is powerful.
The biggest reason to suggest opening up the public school boundaries is to help the urban schools. I believe they would benefit the most. Many of the urban parents cant move into a better school district and allowing them more choice would result in better schools for all. Just like choice for restaurants raises the bar for all.
What does Gades10 have to do with public school choice? (Focus).
What am I ducking? Apparently 2 students transferred into DLS that played RB- OK... what exactly does this prove again?
Proves someone knows who to get and when. Or you get the type of running game that was so effective against STA. Doesn't take a goofball to figure out the obsession to win.
Tell me how choice within an urban area leads to better schools when many of the better schools are super-funded privates. It's a socio-economic problem. Local taxes have very, very little to do with educating kids. Those bonds are for infrastructure.
Tell me how choice within an urban area leads to better schools when many of the better schools are super-funded privates. It's a socio-economic problem. Local taxes have very, very little to do with educating kids. Those bonds are for infrastructure.
thought we debated that to death. Guess not. You have zero proof that DLS recruits football players. Two players who played RB transferring in is not proof. Does your boy Gades work in the DLS admissions office and he can let us know that these two players were recruited?
Choice always leads to improved quality. That is why the restaraunt and movie theatre examples fit. If urban parents had choices, the schools that performed the best would get more and more students. The schools that underperformed would have to close. When school employees face the possibility of losing their job, they will up their game.
Choice always leads to improved quality. That is why the restaraunt and movie theatre examples fit. If urban parents had choices, the schools that performed the best would get more and more students. The schools that underperformed would have to close. When school employees face the possibility of losing their job, they will up their game.
That or they can make excuses by saying they lost all their brightest students to school a that have more. That's why they can't teach.
Not sure why this is even a discussion. Public schools are very territorial. They receive funding by the state every year by student population. I don't know how much they receive but I recall asking a principle at a public middle school how much they receive per student and at that time they receive about $6,000 from the state and other agencies. This is used to pay for books, teacher salaries, programs, sports, etc... I'm sure it's more in high school. It's NOT about sports competition. It's providing education to students within the boundaries. and if the student population gradually declines, what is the first thing they will cut...sports then special programs, then in time the actual school itself. That's why they do audits if students are actually living within or outside the boundaries.
Good point I've heard every day of school a kid misses costs the school a couple bucks from the government that's why they don't like kids missing
Got it. Not because schools are concerned with said kids education. They don't want to lose out on that government money.
The brightest students certainly don't gravitate to schools which don't require a credential to "teach."
Stay on point troll. Topic is public schools so taking a dig at private institutions does what again? But while we are at it still waiting on these "loopholes" you claim privates exploit that publics couldn't. Thus giving you valid reason for making excuses about all public short comings.
Simple, and in (simple) English. Internal oversight (I did NOT type football coaches so don't even go there) of all un-scrutinized admissions standards.
You accuse me of "making excuses about all public short comings (above in this thread.)" Show me those, or is that another typographical error? I simply said the FB programs aren't the same, which you conveniently dumbed down to "don't want to work hard enough" attempting to prove your point, then you dumb it down even further to there are more public shortcomings than not being able to beat dLS. All the while thinking I'm a public football coach. LOL.
And in the same sentence you mention about staying on topic..... oh brother.
You accuse me of "making excuses about all public short comings (above in this thread.)" Show me those, or is that another typographical error? I simply said the FB programs aren't the same, which you conveniently dumbed down to "don't want to work hard enough" attempting to prove your point, then you dumb it down even further to there are more public shortcomings than not being able to beat dLS. All the while thinking I'm a public football coach. LOL.
And in the same sentence you mention about staying on topic..... oh brother.
1. If that's English it's a statement on the public system you graduated from. And it's not flattering. 2. I don't think your a coach, I simply stated if you are it's easy to understand the excuse making. 3. Admissions isn't a loophole there skippy. They can accept or decline whoever they want. And if admissions was the secret ingredient the private schools would win state every year. Simple fact is I think public schools have more titles than private. I may be wrong here but it's far from private running away with things.
"1. If that's English it's a statement on the public system you graduated from. And it's not flattering."
Funny how those B.S.'s from the best public university on the planet and doctorates get handed out willy-nilly. Y'all, we've a self-appointed grammar nazi! Asking to be schooled comes with risk:
"I don't think your a coach." It's you're or you are, Einstein.
"They can accept... whoever..." It's whomever, Miriam Webster.
and finally, "it's far from private running away with things." Would that be Private Ryan, Private Benjamin, private family jewels," genius?
Dang! Those publics I attended? Flattery will get you nowhere. LMAO.
Funny how those B.S.'s from the best public university on the planet and doctorates get handed out willy-nilly. Y'all, we've a self-appointed grammar nazi! Asking to be schooled comes with risk:
"I don't think your a coach." It's you're or you are, Einstein.
"They can accept... whoever..." It's whomever, Miriam Webster.
and finally, "it's far from private running away with things." Would that be Private Ryan, Private Benjamin, private family jewels," genius?
Dang! Those publics I attended? Flattery will get you nowhere. LMAO.
Pride. You've been here for five months now. Most of us started when our kids were playing. You're want to know what we discussed about EVERY issue between public/private, dLS/EBAL, etc. ad nauseum is palpable. Alas, you missed the boat by a few years. And since I'm more of a NCAA parent now, this stuff is just fluff. Asking about our league/high school history, fine. Maybe someone can help you with the rest.
PJ goes back that far, but didn't remember who Gades was. He has mellowed over time and doesn't try to stir things up as much. Pride is just getting into it and ready to rip publics and NorCal as a whole (except DLS) a new one at every opportunity.
Translation no valid loopholes you can think of just the standard BS. As for grammar nazi? Hardly in fact could careless about spelling, punctuation, etc, but you type flat out jibberish at times.
What exactly does length on this board have to do with anything? Simple fact is I haven't slammed any school here. In fact I have said NorCal football in my opinion has gotten better over last 10 year or so and I see a team beating DLS in near future. But because I don't buy into the loser plays on stuff and the are unbeatable crap I'm clueless? Shit look at my likes based on posts compared to yours and tell me who the clueless one is.
Length on board has to do with remembering prior posts and not having to rehash them as 1315 stated. And I could really care less about likes. Is that your source of pride here? What is this Facebook? Hell, I think they only started about the time you got on here.
O22- I guess we are not as popular or well liked! Boo hoo. I find it entirely amusing "cryptic" posts are read so shallowly. (Some of them dealing with that private must be due to confidentiality.) Even my good friend William says I lose people with the double, and often, triple entendres. Pride probably has to look up the word entendre, especially since my lowly public school education is so pitiful. 
O22- I guess we are not as popular or well liked! Boo hoo. I find it entirely amusing "cryptic" posts are read so shallowly. (Some of them dealing with that private must be due to confidentiality.) Even my good friend William says I lose people with the double, and often, triple entendres. Pride probably has to look up the word entendre, especially since my lowly public school education is so pitiful.
Cryptic:
having a meaning that is mysterious or obscure.
synonyms: enigmatic, mysterious, confusing, mystifying, perplexing, puzzling,obscure, abstruse, arcane, oracular, Delphic, ambiguous, elliptical,oblique;
informalas clear as mud
Isn't when 1315 makes baseless claims he himself is rehashing said issues? Asking for proof of said claim isn't rehashing anything, it's asking that poster to back up his claim. If he isn't prepared to do so then he shouldn't rehash the issue. Regardless of time on board or the in forum, just sayin.
"More cryptic 1315 posts .... Odd dude. Just spit it out. In English."
PJ- I'm concerned about you; your memory. Maybe get tested. That's from your post 3092 (that's a lot of typing; okay, you get a mulligan on the memory thing.)
Confusing posts? I've already explained why in 466.
Back to the OP. HSS75 @181 has a good post. Move on.
PJ- I'm concerned about you; your memory. Maybe get tested. That's from your post 3092 (that's a lot of typing; okay, you get a mulligan on the memory thing.)
Confusing posts? I've already explained why in 466.
Back to the OP. HSS75 @181 has a good post. Move on.
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