Sacred Heart Cathedral fell to St. Ignatius (66-38),
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A case can be made for putting Sacred Heart Cathedral in the Top 20 or not.
Why I think they should be in: They have one of the best strength of schedules in the region. Off the top of my head, only St. Mary's-Stockton would be higher. Brookside Christian, Platinum Division of WCJ, O'Dowd and St. Mary's-Stockton in non-league, WCAL slate to go over some of them.
And don't forget they beat St. Ignatius too.
Why I think they should be in: They have one of the best strength of schedules in the region. Off the top of my head, only St. Mary's-Stockton would be higher. Brookside Christian, Platinum Division of WCJ, O'Dowd and St. Mary's-Stockton in non-league, WCAL slate to go over some of them.
And don't forget they beat St. Ignatius too.
Streak One,
I believe that is two lop-sided defeats? Does anyone know what is the issue lately with Sacred Heart Cathedral?
I know if one or two of your top players are out, that could drastically effect the way the team plays. That is what happened to St. Mary's of Stockton last season. They started the season with Bri Moore and Charise Holloway.If they had one or both girls they most likely at worse would have been state final runner ups in my opinion. Not to take away from the fine job that Steve Pezzola, his assistants,and the Salesian team accomplished. Any thoughts?
Paytc
I believe that is two lop-sided defeats? Does anyone know what is the issue lately with Sacred Heart Cathedral?
I know if one or two of your top players are out, that could drastically effect the way the team plays. That is what happened to St. Mary's of Stockton last season. They started the season with Bri Moore and Charise Holloway.If they had one or both girls they most likely at worse would have been state final runner ups in my opinion. Not to take away from the fine job that Steve Pezzola, his assistants,and the Salesian team accomplished. Any thoughts?
Paytc
I guess it depends on how you view rankings. If you think of them as a reward for all the wins you've racked up, then yes, I think SHC should not be in the Top 20. If you think of them as a way to determine which teams (in your opinion) would be more likely to beat other teams in the list, then I think SHC definitely belongs in the Top 20.
I usually think of rankings the second way, so I don''t appreciate when a team that could clearly beat another team is ranked below them. Just "opinion" though, since that's what rankings are. The "facts" are the results when two teams play head-to-head, especially in the playoffs. SHC will be a major factor in this year's playoffs. (Assuming they haven't been hit by injuries, which I'm not aware of.)
Good luck to all in the playoffs!
I usually think of rankings the second way, so I don''t appreciate when a team that could clearly beat another team is ranked below them. Just "opinion" though, since that's what rankings are. The "facts" are the results when two teams play head-to-head, especially in the playoffs. SHC will be a major factor in this year's playoffs. (Assuming they haven't been hit by injuries, which I'm not aware of.)
Good luck to all in the playoffs!
Considering the league they are in; strength of schedule, coaching and injuries, they are just where they should be. Unfortunately for a higher ranked CCS (non-WCAL team), it is a shame to have to play a team like this in early round of playoffs, if healthy.
This post was edited on 2/11 2:03 PM by CityVibesII
This post was edited on 2/11 2:03 PM by CityVibesII
In general, I think teams should be expected to lose to teams ranked higher -- and of SHC's 10 losses, all but one are to teams that are top 15 caliber. That one is to St. Francis, which is far from a bad team, and on the flip side, SHC has wins over O'Dowd and SI.
Two of the losses are to top teams in Oregon, and I think that just looking at losses as a definitive measure of a team is a mistake, because it depends on who those losses are to.
That said, most rankings and seeding committees don't take strength of schedule/good losses as seriously as I think they should, so though LyRyan Russell has certainly prepared his team for postseason with this schedule, he may find himself on the road against a team with a better record but not really of the same quality.
So there are two realities here: on the court and on paper (administrative/arithmetical). On the court, SHC is obviously a very good team, and fully healthy, can compete with pretty much anyone in Northern California. On paper, the 10 losses will confuse those who don't really take the time to see just how good South Medford and Oregon City really are, for example.
Two of the losses are to top teams in Oregon, and I think that just looking at losses as a definitive measure of a team is a mistake, because it depends on who those losses are to.
That said, most rankings and seeding committees don't take strength of schedule/good losses as seriously as I think they should, so though LyRyan Russell has certainly prepared his team for postseason with this schedule, he may find himself on the road against a team with a better record but not really of the same quality.
So there are two realities here: on the court and on paper (administrative/arithmetical). On the court, SHC is obviously a very good team, and fully healthy, can compete with pretty much anyone in Northern California. On paper, the 10 losses will confuse those who don't really take the time to see just how good South Medford and Oregon City really are, for example.
Wow, you guys are really circling the wagons around SHC. I've heard of quality WINS but quality losses that seem absurd to me and I'm very aware of who Oregon City is. A lot of excuses are being made, from injuries to quality LOSSES. Injuries are as much a part of sports as wins and losses and I've yet hear that SHC has had any major injuries hitting the program. It sounds like just some old folks with assumptions and excuses. Well one good thing is they are the number one seed according to Maxpreps in the Central Coast Section which tells me the entire section is kind of down this year, #2 Valley Christian 11-10, #3 Saratoga 13-7 and #4 Branham at 16-4. I'm sure they all had some QUALITY LOSSES AS WELL. Playoff's start next week can't wait.
OK, go through SHC's schedule and point to the "bad" losses -- that is, losses to teams that are not as good as SHC.
I have no idea about injuries, but I know SHC has two quality wins: SI and O'Dowd. How many other teams have wins against those two teams, or teams at that level? And if SHC's worst loss is St. Francis, that's not exactly a disgrace.
I have no idea about injuries, but I know SHC has two quality wins: SI and O'Dowd. How many other teams have wins against those two teams, or teams at that level? And if SHC's worst loss is St. Francis, that's not exactly a disgrace.
SHC has a chance to prove to everyone if they are good or not in the Open CCS Playoffs. They will probably see SI in the second round if the don't have to face Mitty in the first round. Mitty has to play SHC on the 2/20 for the last regular season game that game will effect the seeding in the CCS Open Playoffs. So if SHC played a hard schedule to prepare for the playoffs we will see if that is true or not. SHC has a lot to prove to everyone to see if they deserve the rankings they are getting with a 11-10 record this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Azanna,
I assume you're hating on SHC because you believe another team ("your" team?) should be ranked ahead of SHC. Which team is this and why should they be ranked higher than they are? What quality teams have they beaten?
I assume you're hating on SHC because you believe another team ("your" team?) should be ranked ahead of SHC. Which team is this and why should they be ranked higher than they are? What quality teams have they beaten?
But isn't your team Div 2? SHC is Div 3, so it doesn't seem like your team would be playing them.
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