I am a huge supporter of folsom but this is a head scratcher....we dont know the story, it could have been a 1 and 1 home since they played last year, also being first year coach that could have been the issue....but i have to say that im a little frustrated that folsom does not find outside powers to play...if sm, Do, pitt can do it and they dont have the program folsom does than folsom can do better...i hope the new coach steps up the schedule challenge even in "off years"
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The Head Scratcher is how PITT who is in a far less affluent community with families struggling to make it happen, can find the resources and guts to Challenge their kids and travel back to back years to CC and play the greatest public HSFB program in CA....
Since Folsom Came on the Scene in 2010 winning that impressive D2 Title over a legit Serra team, they have Beat No One of any relevance in CAHSFB... Just 3 Embarrassing losses to DLS, 1 Blow out win and 2 narrow escapes over San Diego, and weak schedules of lower level opponents to rack up easy wins and set meaningless records...
In the next 8 years After that great win over Serra, the best So Cal Team Folsom could "Voluntarily Schedule" was a 7 loss Chaminade team with 3 returning starters...When Folsom had 17 returning Starters D1 players all over the field, and was the defending D 1-AA Champs....
And even in Nor Cal, Wasn't it 2015 when Folsom had a Home and Home with CVC?... CVC came to Folsom and lost by 1 point... The Next year Folsom Backed out of the game... But somehow a "Home and Home" with Antelope was something Folsom "Just Couldn't get Out Of"....
Folsom is the 2 time Defending D 1-AA Champ, Returning D1 Players Rated 5* and Bringing in out of state D1 Recruits... And for some reason Folsom feels the need to "Hang 60" and Embarrass a bunch of kids form Antelope High School for no other reason then to pad their stats and rack up a meaningless easy win.... This is not a "Head Scratcher", this is Folsom and it is just plain Sad....
Why would you or anyone be surprised at this from Folsom?... Lobbying to the CIF about DLS "The Folsom Rule", Backing out of games with CVC, and Dodging all Significant opponents from out of the region....Old Coach or New Coach "They Are Who We Thought They Were"....
Why wouldn't they be?
Last season, Folsom's opponents in Week 1 and Week 2 were Jesuit and Antelope respectively. Not so oddly, those same two are on the schedule for this upcoming season for the exact same weeks. It's easy to conclude that this is the 2nd game of a 2-year deal.
It isn't a sudden development. I'm pretty sure it was already scheduled more than a year ago despite not yet being posted on Maxpreps.
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Central Catholic has an challenging non-league schedule:
8/23: Clovis West (Fresno, CA)
8/30: De La Salle (Concord, CA)
9/6: @ St. Mary's (Stockton, CA)
9/13: @ Upland (Upland, CA)
3 of the same teams as last season, but adding Upland (assuming it's correct) is quite interesting.
8/23: Clovis West (Fresno, CA)
8/30: De La Salle (Concord, CA)
9/6: @ St. Mary's (Stockton, CA)
9/13: @ Upland (Upland, CA)
3 of the same teams as last season, but adding Upland (assuming it's correct) is quite interesting.
Because Folsom is the 2 Time Defending D-1AA Champs and hung whatever on Antelope last year and you would think that Folsom would opt out for a more competitive game to challenge their great out of state D1 players...
Look at what CC Modesto has done with their schedule... This is really embarrassing for Folsom...
Come on @ThunderRam you are a excellent poster on here and the national board...
I am Surprised that you would justify what Folsom is doing?... When teams like PITT, St Mary's, CC Modesto, Del Oro, Grant, and Now Capital Christian can somehow all put these excellent schedules together year in and year out... Schedules including the Top Teams in CA or OOS, and mainly, Teams that are equal in talent to them and can actually beat them on the field...
Yet all Folsom can come up with in the last 8 years is 2 "No lose games" with DLS and "Antelope"?...
Why would Folsom not do what at least PITT has done?... PITT is a Public School like Folsom in a far less Affluent Community yet they can travel to "The Real CC" CA #1 Public HSFB Program in Back to Back years??...
Is it because Folsom's Coaches are just plain "Soft" and afraid to lose?... I would like to hear your opinion on this?
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I’m not a Folsom fan or hater just a sports fan. I will say I’m not sure that Folsom and CVC had a 1 and 1 deal somebody closer to those programs might be able to clarify however. If they did have a 1 and 1 I think it would be speculation that Folsom backed out since CVC doesn’t exactly schedule like a heavy hitter either. I do thinks it’s pathetic the way Folsom schedules and there is really no excuse for it. Also has Folsom backed out of the DLS game is that what’s generating this talk? Or is it just the usual Folsom needs to put big boat pants on and schedule like a champ?
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I wouldn't hold it against them if they backed down their schedule with a first year coach. DLS was able to transition with Alumbaugh because Coach Lad was around to ensure a smooth transition and the staff didn't leave en masse. I think the new coach has to prove that there won't be a drop off at Folsom and then he can be more ambitious. He has the athletes this year, the real challenge will be year 2.
Antelope vs Folsom was a two year contract. This is the second year of the contract. This is why they are still on the schedule.
Inderkum is still looking for a week 3. We reached out to Central Catholic, but looks like they picked up Upland recently. The search continues.
Inderkum is still looking for a week 3. We reached out to Central Catholic, but looks like they picked up Upland recently. The search continues.
Topic which I agree with is Folsom has never been ambitious. So new coach would simply be staying the course.
It is indeed sad that Folsom has no desire to play a challenging schedule. Because of that, they are not looked on as a relevant force on the national scene. I am surprised whenever they are ranked in the top 25 in any national poll since they do not deserve to be ranked.
My take on schedules is you need to look at all 10 games. Folsom and other SFL teams have more wiggle room since the league is so tough. St. Mary's-S plays in a weak league, Central Catholic and Pitt play in very top heavy leagues.
I don't understand why Antelope was on the schedule, but I think it is good practice to honor agreements. I would like to see Folsom schedule an out of area heavyweight, especially last year, but I don't think it diminishes the team they had last year or could have this year.
On the flip side, just because St. Mary's played Mater Dei, Pitt played Centennial, Del Oro played Bishop Gorman, doesn't make those programs automatically better.
I don't understand why Antelope was on the schedule, but I think it is good practice to honor agreements. I would like to see Folsom schedule an out of area heavyweight, especially last year, but I don't think it diminishes the team they had last year or could have this year.
On the flip side, just because St. Mary's played Mater Dei, Pitt played Centennial, Del Oro played Bishop Gorman, doesn't make those programs automatically better.
This is nonsense
There is no better league in the entire country than the Trinity and every team challenges themselves against not only regional powers but national powers as well.
Santa Margarita didn’t win a league game last year but still managed to play Mission Viejo and two OOS opponents that finished 12-2.
Servite won 1 league game last year but somehow found the courage to schedule Bishop Gorman this year.
Folsom schedules like their trying to hide/protect something and frankly it’s become embarrassing at this point
Exactly!!!... The SFL is such a “Tough” League That all those “Tough” teams can’t even hang within 40 of Folsom???... What a Joke...
This is not about “It was a 2 Year Deal”, This is about a 10 year body of work of dodging the best programs in CA and scheduling garbage games....
Since 2010 Folsom has like 7 Section Titles, League titles and 4 SBG titles and Besides 1 Voulantarily Sceduled game against DLS the best team they have scheduled out of their area is CVC???....
And when they had 17 returning Starters and decided to schedule a So Cal team, they hand picked a team with 3 returning starters so they can say “Look at us, We can beat So Cal”.... Just like in 2014 with their record breaking QB they schedule Cathedral Catholic instead of a Trinity Leage team MV, LBP Or “The Real CC”....
Folsom is trying to proctect ther “Rankings” and Stats and their ability to say “We would Have” beat teams that they will never play on the field...
Nor Cal Football Deserves better From a team with Folsom’s Resume.... It’s just embarrassing what Folsom is doing...
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I wasn’t comparing them to Trinity Legaue teams. I was pointing out that it isn’t good practice to focus on one game of the schedule but rather to look at the sum of all 10 games.
I don’t think Folsom has had a schedule to match their talent. We agree on that point. I don’t think it is embarrassing but that’s just my opinion.
Outside of trying to convince a small group of disillusioned people that Folsom doesn’t schedule up to their talent, why is this brought up so much?
You said that the SFL was a “Tough” League... A “Tough” League does not lose every game by 40 to 1 team...
So it sounds like you are ok with powerhouse teams purposely scheduling below their talent to run up score and stats, records and rankings??...
Since 2010 All the Best teams in Nor Cal have regularly scheduled DLS and Taken on Top So Cal teams in the pre leage season... Exept for Folsom....
Some teams are just flat out scared to lose....
I will stand by that the SFL is a tough league. I think I’m on the right side of that argument.
I personally would schedule tougher if I had Folsom’s talent, but I think the end goal is where you are at the end of the year. They have ruled the section and done well in the second Level state division.
Do I think they belong in the conversation with the upper echelon 3-4 teams? I don’t.
Does that make them an embarrassment to NorCal? Not at all
I think this discussion is geared toward the attitude of certain posters of Folsom HS as much if not more than the football program itself
Because we are talking about competition.
The point of competing is to see how good you are and Folsom is failing at it.
SFL is a great football league. Arguably the best year in and out. I've always been a big fan of the WCAL as well. Those teams go to war with each other. There is a lot more parity with teams like Serra, St Francis, Bellarmine, VC, and Mitty year in and out though. Could you imagine setting the line for those games in vegas? Folsom has just been that much better the last x years in the SFL. The Oak Ridges have built nice "home grown" teams but they aren't getting the transfers like these other programs. They will continue to compete but the gap is going to be there.
The DO norcal win over Saint Francis last year was one of the best HS games I've ever seen
Don’t overlook the EBAL Mountain with the addition of CVC next season. They join the already formidable group of De La Salle, Monte Vista. San Ramon Valley, Cal High & Foothill.
Would love to see some interleague 1 day matchups between all 3 of these leagues as well as the BVAL which has Pitt, Liberty, & Freedom.
Would love to see some interleague 1 day matchups between all 3 of these leagues as well as the BVAL which has Pitt, Liberty, & Freedom.
You have a point. SFL is still tough. Folsom been a leg up on any SFL team, but hard to say SFL is tougher than WCAL. Whitney-Serra? Rocklin-Bellarmine? St. Francis-Del Oro? Granite Bay-Valley Christian? Close games, coin flip in most cases.
Those would be great games. I would say the difference would be the city schools. I think the bottom 3 in the SFL would sweep the bottom 3 in WCAL. They are both great leagues every year!
When it comes to scheduling, one major factor is the relationship one staff has with the other. At Oak Ridge, this is important to the staff, as non-SFL games are geared to prepare us for the SFL, period. When a program runs a similar offense/defense schemes as teams in the SFL, and the coaching staff is on par with a high level of competitiveness, experience, and competence, then the deal becomes very attractive. Every team will have its ups and downs of play makers from year to year, but a strong program is the key! I believe this similar thinking by all the SFL programs. This is the reason OR's preseason schedule does not vary too much. An example is Reed High in Nevada. Several years ago they were a perfect game for us to get ready for SFL, however there was a complete coaching change couple seasons ago, and program dropped off quickly, however we still played them (as we should have since we were in the 2nd year of contract). That prior staff is now at Bishop Manogue, and we have contracted with them for the next two years because we know what we will be getting from that game to prepare for our league. With all this said, I think SFL, WCAL, and EBAL inter-league games would be great for NorCal. Personally, I could care less for what is happening in SoCal or the need to play teams from that region (I guess that is what the state game is for), as there are so many potential big games that could happen in NorCal inter-league competition. I know we have reached out to WCAL/BVAL teams and vice versa, but could not make it happen thus far for legit reasons.
My two cents on the Folsom fest on this thread is the coaching staff prior and present will focus on winning SFL, getting through playoffs, and then win state game. What they have been doing is working. I have never heard one staff member talk about national recognition as a priority. Its spewed on this website from haters/lovers that have no real connection to the staff and their program focus. If Maxpreps ranks them in the top 25 nationally then people who have a problem with it need to take it up with Maxpreps and tell them they are wrong because they don't play anyone in SoCal or Texas or Florida. I like the fact that the Folsom-DLS game happened and maybe should continue since they can't meet in playoffs as it is currently structured. With that said, Folsom plays in a great league full of great programs and they scheduled the best team in Norcal in pre-season, sprinkled with programs they probably have relationships with...solid. Being an SFL opponent to Folsom, I have my own issues with them that is off topic here, however the subject of them required to schedule teams deemed top 5 in Cali or in the country to prove worthiness to 20 or so posters on this website seems ridiculous.
Looking forward to the upcoming season. Go Norcal!
My two cents on the Folsom fest on this thread is the coaching staff prior and present will focus on winning SFL, getting through playoffs, and then win state game. What they have been doing is working. I have never heard one staff member talk about national recognition as a priority. Its spewed on this website from haters/lovers that have no real connection to the staff and their program focus. If Maxpreps ranks them in the top 25 nationally then people who have a problem with it need to take it up with Maxpreps and tell them they are wrong because they don't play anyone in SoCal or Texas or Florida. I like the fact that the Folsom-DLS game happened and maybe should continue since they can't meet in playoffs as it is currently structured. With that said, Folsom plays in a great league full of great programs and they scheduled the best team in Norcal in pre-season, sprinkled with programs they probably have relationships with...solid. Being an SFL opponent to Folsom, I have my own issues with them that is off topic here, however the subject of them required to schedule teams deemed top 5 in Cali or in the country to prove worthiness to 20 or so posters on this website seems ridiculous.
Looking forward to the upcoming season. Go Norcal!
Schedule to get ready for the SFL?
The SFL that they have an average winning margin of 38 points a game over the last 3 years?
Obviously there isn’t much to get ready for in this league for them.It isn’t a challenge for the staff or the kids.So why aren’t they challenging their kids to be the best they can be? Why aren’t they giving these kids a experience of a lifetime by playing against the best.
We are not talking about just an average program we are talking about one of best in the state of California.....challenge yourself
I'm struggling to see how a team like SJB scheduled tougher non-conference last year
SJB played based on National rankings - Timpview #456, Garces Memorial #2458, Mililani #41, Paramount #1056, Chaminade #304
Folsom played - DLS#4, Jesuit #740, Antelope #1259, Chaminade #304
If this is what a "player" on the National scene like SJB schedules then Folsom non-conference is every bit if not more the schedule.
They are one of the best programs in Cali because they have taken on daily/weekly challenges 11 months out of the year. The schedule is not the only meter. Coaches coach, players play. There is a lot to make it all happen. Folsom has a great gig going right now with player transfers, this is no secret. They have a new HC and staff, so lets see how this all go's. I look forward to this season.
You must have also struggled to see that they have played STA,St.Johns college,St.Xavier,Bishop Gorman and St.Peters prep in the same 3 year period all on the road.Trying to compare Folsom schedule to SJB is laughable
Did he really just compare Folsom’s schedule to SJB? Too funny. I can’t believe that he actually went there. Don’t forget they also played the real Cen10 and the rest of the Trinity league year after year.
Great points and I respect your insight from a coaching perspective. Folsom is a local public school that happens to be making somewhat of a name for itself nationally. They are doing their best to represent the SFL and Nor Cal. They are not a private national type school so the need for a national schedule isnt there. I would like them to play OOS competition but if the first goal is to beat DLS then that makes the most sense. Even if they played an OOS team and won, if DLS is in similar spot then DLS is most likely going to the Open. Once Folsom can beat DLS then a national schedule makes more sense...at least with how CIF is structured currently.
I think it isngreat Folsom has a lot of pride and focus in the SFL...those who hate on the schedule ignore Folsom is a public school with more limiting options and different priorities. Their players goals are often scholarships and they are getting plenty of national coaching exposure
Being a public school would be valid excuse if it wasn’t for Centennial playing Chandler x3 IMG x2 Narbonnex3 Pittsburg x2 and Orange Lutheran x3 the last 3 years.
Narbonne playing Serra and LBP and Centennial every year as well as traveling to Hawaii to play their 2 time defending champions St.Louis.
In summary,being a high profile public in California means you should be challenging your program yearly
And don't for get PITT from a far lass Affluent Area Can figure out a way to travel to Corona Centennial in Back to Back years....
Folsom is just Afraid... There is really no other explanation... Folsom's 8 year Scheduling "Body of Work" Since they have been dominating Nor Cal Competition while being "The #2 Team In Nor Cal" Speaks for itself....
4 x SBG, 7 Time CIF Champ, 0 Voluntary games Scheduled against teams ranked in CA Top 5...
Except for of course the No Lose games against DLS...
They should just get rid of the “Folsom Rule”, and have Folsom play DLS for the Open NorCal title instead of just handing DLS the spot just so you won’t risk a high profile loss. Especially if you already are playing them early in the schedule.
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I’m really wondering if this theOC89 guy is actually that guy with ties to Servite! That always trolls the NorCal boards and put down Folsom because his Friars have sucked so bad the past 8-10 years. I forgot his name on the forums, but I bet he got kicked off for some reason. Go back and troll your SoCal boards if that’s the case!
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Even less of an excuse when you’re a public that can get players outside of a boundary, just like a private.And yes, I know they have to have a local address, but kids coming from out of state as well as other parts of the Sac puts you on a private school level without tuition
No, you have the wrong guy....I am a Nor Cal fan and I only post on here and the National Board. I am easy to find, I don’t change my name and have never been kicked off or banned from any message board....
I don’t know what a “Troll” is, all I have done is give my opinion of Folsom being a “Paper Tiger” based on their body of work of what they have accomplished on the field...
So I am here to stay!!!... And until Folsom puts Corona Centennial on their Schedule instead of “Antelope”, I will continue to refer to them as Nor Cal’s Great “Paper Tiger”....
TheOC89 has good posts. He is basically calling out Folsom for not wanting to upgrade their schedule.
Careful about critiques of Folsom. I got banned for stating Folsom wasn’t physical enough to deal with DLS 2 years ago during state bowl game. I refused to back off the observation and was banned.
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