Serra picked to be NorCal Open rep

[ararar]

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DLS is only the best team by your own subjective opinion. They aren’t by others subjective opinion. They also aren’t conclusively better by the collection of on-field result measurements.

But have fun crying over something that is far from fact.

😂 your life depends on it TR
Who you taking?
Serra or DLS?
I know I know it doesn’t matter
So who you taking?
Best team or best optics?

 

[mrbig864]

You’re missing my point.

Grant Union is an example of scheduling up that worked out. However just scheduling the games wasn’t enough.

Had they lost to Alta or Highland, even close losses, and it likely wouldn’t have been enough to overcome DLS for Open. But those wins were enough to counter DLS’ resume.

Where are the Spartans big wins to counter Serra’s win over a team that defeated DLS? The best win they’ve got is over Cathedral who isn’t definitively better or worse than SF.

One team is an 11-1 section champ and the other is a 10-2 section champ. The extra loss and severity of it absolutely should factor in somewhere.

Had DLS won that game it surely would have boosted their resume (and likely vaulted them into Open), so why shouldn’t the non-competitive loss be an additional separator between two deserving section champs?

It shouldn’t only work in one-direction. It makes no sense to consider the game as a win-win situation where losing in a non-competitive fashion somehow makes it not count.

In the end, Serra has the best W — a W that happens to be over a team that beat DLS.

That’s separator 1. The next separator is a 2nd loss. A non-competitive loss.

You can disagree all you want. But these aren’t unreasonable separators and are typically and widely used across a myriad of examples.

Thunder

Separator 1 is best win??? Says who? You? TBH, its even arguable to me that the SF win is BETTER than DLS’ Cathedral win, but even if that’s the case, who has the 2nd best win, 3rd best win, etc…? “Where are DLS’s win to offset Serra single top notch victory?“ you ask? How about this fact, DLS beat 3 DI Section Champs who are still playing this weekend, Serra has ZERO! The whole of the schedule matters to me, and most, not one single win.

Id argue blowout wins over 3 DI section champs (and another Section Runner Up) is substantially more impressive than a single narrow victory over a Section “Runner-up” (acknowledging that team did beat DLS).

Im in agreement that an argument can be made for Serra’s selection, but it’s a loose one, and one that I doubt would be made if DLS wasn’t one of the two teams involved. this is a convenience selection IMHO.

If you need proof that SOS is viewed with more value than W/L and a single quality victory, just ask Cincinnati.

 

[remc]

Thunder

Separator 1 is best win??? Says who? You? TBH, its even arguable to me that the SF win is BETTER than DLS’ Cathedral win, but even if that’s the case, who has the 2nd best win, 3rd best win, etc…? Where are DLS’s win to offset Serra single top notch victory? DLS beat 3 DI Section Champs who are still playing this weekend, Serra has ZERO! The whole of the schedule matters to me, not a single win.

Id argue blowout wins over 3 DI section champs (and another Section Runner Up) is substantially more impressive than a single narrow victory over a Section “Runner-up” (acknowledging that team did beat DLS).

Im in agreement that an argument can be made for Serra’s selection, but it’s a loose one, and one that I doubt would be made if DLS wasn’t one of the two teams involved. this is a convenience selection IMHO.

If you need proof that SOS is viewed with more value than W/L, ask Cincinnati.

He knows everything you said is true

 

[ILOVETROJANFOOTBALL]

Always love another shot at DLS.

 

[TurtleLoveCA]

Mater Dei is also a program that quite frankly is disgusting. There should have been terminations of coaches and criminal charges should have been brought.

Mater Dei announces independent investigation, other changes after hazing allegations

Mater Dei’s president announced multiple reviews of the school's athletic program and policies in response to hazing allegations raised in a lawsuit.

www.latimes.com

 

[RidgeRider]

Congratulations to Serra, but the explanation that SF beat DLS, and Serra beat SF while omitting that SF whipped Serra soundly the first time and DLS didn't get a second chance like Serra did brings a smile to my face. I understand the DLS fatigue, so I'll be behind Serra all the way. If Mahasin was available I'd be more ok with it.

I'm with you. This is an uninspiring decision and will be argued for some time as it could have gone three different ways, based on the way the season ended, not sure any decision would be completely defensible.

 

[RidgeRider]

Mater Dei collects an incredible amount of talent. It is a mismatch for almost an

Mater Dei is also a program that quite frankly is disgusting. There should have been terminations of coaches and criminal charges should have been brought.

Mater Dei announces independent investigation, other changes after hazing allegations

Mater Dei’s president announced multiple reviews of the school's athletic program and policies in response to hazing allegations raised in a lawsuit.

www.latimes.com

IF the staff knew this was going on, and a player was harmed as described, the entire coaching staff should be released even IF the player willingly participated. If it was just a fight that happened, it would be different. Wonder how much the school will have to pay to sort this out legally?

 

[bella123]

IF the staff knew this was going on, and a player was harmed as described, the entire coaching staff should be released even IF the player willingly participated. If it was just a fight that happened, it would be different. Wonder how much the school will have to pay to sort this out legally?

Agree 100%. I haven’t been privy to any of the reports or investigation of the facts so I’ll withhold judgment, otherwise I’d just be speculating at this point.

 

[Truthhertz]

Here's the Calpreps projection:
Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) 48, [2021] Serra [Junipero] (San Mateo, CA) 3

Calpreps has Serra scoring? I don’t see it. It will be a running clock.

 

[Rmbr26]

Calpreps has Serra scoring? I don’t see it. It will be a running clock.

I'd take that bet for sure - Serra's kicker had a 50-yard FG last week - yes he's that good!

 

[Truthhertz]

I'd take that bet for sure - Serra's kicker had a 50-yard FG last week - yes he's that good!

So you think Serra will cross mid field? I don’t, not unless it’s a turnover that gets them there.

 

[concrete17]

Agree 100%. I haven’t been privy to any of the reports or investigation of the facts so I’ll withhold judgment, otherwise I’d just be speculating at this point.

......or expectorating, as usual........😜

 

[Rmbr26]

So you think Serra will cross mid field? I don’t, not unless it’s a turnover that gets them there.

Like I said I'd take that bet and put money on Serra getting 3 points so the obvious answer is "Yes".

Yes MD may get 50 or 60 but I have faith the Padre brotherhood will somehow scrounge up 3 points, Lol!

 

[THEOC89]

You’re missing my point.

Grant Union is an example of scheduling up that worked out. However just scheduling the games wasn’t enough.

Had they lost to Alta or Highland, even close losses, and it likely wouldn’t have been enough to overcome DLS for Open. But those wins were enough to counter DLS’ resume.

Where are the Spartans big wins to counter Serra’s win over a team that defeated DLS? The best win they’ve got is over Cathedral who isn’t definitively better or worse than SF.

One team is an 11-1 section champ and the other is a 10-2 section champ. The extra loss and severity of it absolutely should factor in somewhere.

Had DLS won that game it surely would have boosted their resume (and likely vaulted them into Open), so why shouldn’t the non-competitive loss be an additional separator between two deserving section champs?

It shouldn’t only work in one-direction. It makes no sense to consider the game as a win-win situation where losing in a non-competitive fashion somehow makes it not count.

In the end, Serra has the best W — a W that happens to be over a team that beat DLS.

That’s separator 1. The next separator is a 2nd loss. A non-competitive loss.

You can disagree all you want. But these aren’t unreasonable separators and are typically and widely used across a myriad of examples.

OOS Losses are Not Considered in The Current Format…. You keep saying that the SFA loss had something to do with it and it did not….

SFMV is the same as SDCC they are even Teams…. SDCC’s Only Losses are to Cen10 and DLS two Top Tier CA Teams…. That is a Better win then Serra’s win over SF and DLS beat them by 4 TD’s….

Serra lost by 23 points 4 weeks ago to SF…. DLS lost to SF by 3 in the 3rd game of The Season and they had the lead….. There is just no justification for Serra to be in the Open they are not The Best Team in Nor Cal…..

The Best Team in Nor Cal doe not lose to another Nor Cal Team by 23 points period…. There is no argument for that…

 

[Cal 14]

Exactly
This is supposed to be about sending the best team not the best optics

No, it actually isn't. Criteria are set by the CIF, again, if you would bother reading them. Based on the criteria, Serra had a very good chance at being selected.

This is why I say that the criteria for the bowl games are not the same as for rankings.

But, I get it. Average Joe Football Fan can't be bothered with details or understanding how anything works. He just wants to see gladiators banging their heads together for his enjoyment.

 

[parkdale]

Your life depends on it
Who you taking

So you think Serra will cross mid field? I don’t, not unless it’s a turnover that gets them there.

Your team won't be there.
Serra or DLS?
I rest my cas

So you think Serra will cross mid field? I don’t, not unless it’s a turnover that gets them ther

 

[parkdale]

OOS Losses are Not Considered in The Current Format…. You keep saying that the SFA loss had something to do with it and it did not….

SFMV is the same as SDCC they are even Teams…. SDCC’s Only Losses are to Cen10 and DLS two Top Tier CA Teams…. That is a Better win then Serra’s win over SF and DLS beat them by 4 TD’s….

Serra lost by 23 points 4 weeks ago to SF…. DLS lost to SF by 3 in the 3rd game of The Season and they had the lead….. There is just no justification for Serra to be in the Open they are not The Best Team in Nor Cal…..

The Best Team in Nor Cal doe not lose to another Nor Cal Team by 23 points period…. There is no argument for that…

CIF-State wants DLS to have a chance at another state title after numerous losses to Southern California all-star teams. It's a double-whammy on Serra ... they are not top-ranked in any media poll but yet they are pitted against the best team in the nation, a junior college team in size and talent.

 

[colhenrylives]

So far, there has been no public whining from anyone at Serra. They are well aware of the enormous challenge facing them in ten days. When Patrick Walsh took the Serra job in the spring of 2001, he said the San Mateo program was a "sleeping giant." More than a few folks thought he was blowing smoke. Serra football had been dormant (at best) for decades. Walsh changed that calculus almost immediately. An appearance against Mater Dei, the nation's top prep unit, in the CIF Open Division title game is the culmination of 21 seasons of work. Kudos.

 

[concrete17]

So far, there has been no public whining from anyone at Serra. They are well aware of the enormous challenge facing them in ten days. When Patrick Walsh took the Serra job in the spring of 2001, he said the San Mateo program was a "sleeping giant." More than a few folks thought he was blowing smoke. Serra football had been dormant (at best) for decades. Walsh changed that calculus almost immediately. An appearance against Mater Dei, the nation's top prep unit, in the CIF Open Division title game is the culmination of 21 seasons of work. Kudos.

Good post colonel.
I am one of those fans disappointed that DLS did not get to the Open, it is what it is BUT..... I truly hope Coach Walsh comes up with a game plan that gets the Padres some respectable numbers up on the scoreboard. More importantly hopefully the effect of this matchup will challenge Walsh/the Padres to ratchet up their ensuing seasons' schedules with more challenging matchups and they move up to next level.
Likewise hopefully Coach Alumbaugh/the Spartans will use the results and seeding of this season as a learning experience for
the future as he approaches his 1st decade as Captain at the helm of the Silver and Green Galleon.

 

[Streak One]

I'm pretty sure De La Salle and Serra are playing next season.

While I think the committee made a mistake, I'll echo what @colhenrylives posted and that this is a quite a moemnt for the Serra program. And to do it without a player like Mahasin only enhances it more.

 

[ararar]

No, it actually isn't. Criteria are set by the CIF, again, if you would bother reading them. Based on the criteria, Serra had a very good chance at being selected.

This is why I say that the criteria for the bowl games are not the same as for rankings.

But, I get it. Average Joe Football Fan can't be bothered with details or understanding how anything works. He just wants to see gladiators banging their heads together for his enjoyment.

It’s not my fault you and the CIF don’t understand the spirit of competition and think legislating teams into championships by using some imaginary equation is how competition works.
I get it though,the everybody needs chance crowd has to be heard.

 

[pastyfastquick3]

CIF-State wants DLS to have a chance at another state title after numerous losses to Southern California all-star teams. It's a double-whammy on Serra ... they are not top-ranked in any media poll but yet they are pitted against the best team in the nation, a junior college team in size and talent.

Spot on- it's now called the "DLS rule."

Fans crying there way out of a match up they don't want to play, but the CIF put them in, because they were tired of seeing them go down there and rush 50 times for an ass kicking. Even the CIF said no more lol

You can cry your way out of or into something- this is something right from the mouths of DLS fans.

Enjoy the 1AA bowl. You earned it. 2nd place bowl but still fun!

 

[Humbab]

IMO if there is a set criteria then why does the Committee have to meet to decide who’s in. They should already know. All that aside we know Serra is in and now we have to watch Folsom take another beating by DLS. I personally would much rather seen DLS vs Serra or Folsom vs Serra. I don’t look at it as if DLS got screwed I feel it’s the other way around. Serra got screwed. NorCal is basically sending in a butter knife to a gun fight. At least with DLS it would be more like a machete to a gun fight.

 

[colhenrylives]

I'm pretty sure De La Salle and Serra are playing next season.

While I think the committee made a mistake, I'll echo what @colhenrylives posted and that this is a quite a moemnt for the Serra program. And to do it without a player like Mahasin only enhances it more.

The lack of Mahasin is important but, to be fair, he did not play defense. Limiting the Mater Dei offense will be Task No.1 for Walsh and Co. Look for additional size along the DL to combat that powerful MD front. No one expects Serra to put up big offensive figures against the Monarchs. And we haven't even touched on special teams.

 

[Cal 14]

It’s not my fault you and the CIF don’t understand the spirit of competition and think legislating teams into championships by using some imaginary equation is how competition works.
I get it though,the everybody needs chance crowd has to be heard.

It's not your game. It's the CIF's game. It's their rules. You can choose to watch or not watch.

 

[Cal 14]

IMO if there is a set criteria then why does the Committee have to meet to decide who’s in. They should already know. All that aside we know Serra is in and now we have to watch Folsom take another beating by DLS. I personally would much rather seen DLS vs Serra or Folsom vs Serra. I don’t look at it as if DLS got screwed I feel it’s the other way around. Serra got screwed. NorCal is basically sending in a butter knife to a gun fight. At least with DLS it would be more like a machete to a gun fight.

Effectively, from reports they already did know. They said the selection of Serra was fairly quick. Mater Dei was obvious. The rest of the divisions, if you care to recall there are any, had to be determined.

That said, I still think that only NorCal members should determine the NorCal teams and vice-versa.

 

[concrete17]

[QUOTE="pastyfastquick3, post: 287859, member:

Enjoy the 1AA bowl. You earned it. 2nd place bowl but still fun!
[/QUOTE]

Reminds me of the old story where the prisoner is served a turd sandwich.
When asked how he liked his lunch he replied, "Not bad but the bread was pretty good"

 

[FBIQ]

I think the main issue here is that DLS fans have come to expect a shot at the open no matter what. I get it, DLS has been there all but one year since the beginning.

I keep hearing everyone say how bad Serra will be beaten by MD and that is fine, but how bad would DLS be beaten by MD after losing to SF? Sure Serra loss to SF during the season, but when it was for all the marbles Serra came out on top. Who's to say that SF wouldn't have beat DLS once again?

If Serra gets destroyed by MD, one could only imagine that it would have been the same outcome if NorCal had sent DLS to play MD this season. I see no real distance between DLS, SF, & Serra this year.

Go look at the history of MD, Bosco, DLS, and every other power house program, all of them had stages of growth that catapulted them up the ladder. In order for high school football programs to reach the highest levels, they will have to play on the national stage. Welcome to the National stage Serra Padres.

 

[Streak One]

The lack of Mahasin is important but, to be fair, he did not play defense. Limiting the Mater Dei offense will be Task No.1 for Walsh and Co. Look for additional size along the DL to combat that powerful MD front. No one expects Serra to put up big offensive figures against the Monarchs. And we haven't even touched on special teams.

Definitely. I was more saying that they could win a bracket like CCS DI without its most dynamic player is noteworthy.

 

[pastyfastquick3]

I think the main issue here is that DLS fans have come to expect a shot at the open no matter what. I get it, DLS has been there all but one year since the beginning.

I keep hearing everyone say how bad Serra will be beaten by MD and that is fine, but how bad would DLS be beaten by MD after losing to SF? Sure Serra loss to SF during the season, but when it was for all the marbles Serra came out on top. Who's to say that SF wouldn't have beat DLS once again?

If Serra gets destroyed by MD, one could only imagine that it would have been the same outcome if NorCal had sent DLS to play MD this season. I see no real distance between DLS, SF, & Serra this year.

Go look at the history of MD, Bosco, DLS, and every other power house program, all of them had stages of growth that catapulted them up the ladder. In order for high school football programs to reach the highest levels, they will have to play on the national stage. Welcome to the National stage Serra Padres.

I agree. So ironic that DLS fans were so quick to point the finger at anyone thought of "crying their way into or out of games." DLS doesn't get selected for the Open and all we hear is crying.

Such an entitled fan base to include those not even affiliates with the program. Heck- the moderator was even advocating for them to get selected! Some people just don't like change.

DLS is in the 1AA bowl and that is that. That is what they EARNED and that's where they'll be. Given what Folsom did to Rocklin last week, it wouldn't surprise me to see Folsom make half of this forum shit their pants going into the 2nd half. Watch.

Entitlement culture is real. Be happy you even got a RBG. Some programs would kill to even have that.

 

[Humbab]

Enjoy the 1AA bowl. You earned it. 2nd place bowl but still fun!

So your conceding that DLS beat Folsom moved on and beat SoCal?
By the way Serra has 2nd place rapped up. 1AA is for third so you need to come to grips with 3rd place is the best Folsom has ever done.

Also if we don’t hear from you before Friday R.I.P.

 

[HSWIZARD73]

Hum, great chance you will hear from him until Friday around 8:30PM aka halftime. DLS no doubt is going to go all out. One guy blasted me when I said athletes read nor cal preps. Trust me, all of this “resume” and “open” and who deserves what, a few athletes read this stuff. And at the end of the day, I personally prefer to see close games, but per history things could get very ugly.

 

[THEOC89]

So far, there has been no public whining from anyone at Serra. They are well aware of the enormous challenge facing them in ten days. When Patrick Walsh took the Serra job in the spring of 2001, he said the San Mateo program was a "sleeping giant." More than a few folks thought he was blowing smoke. Serra football had been dormant (at best) for decades. Walsh changed that calculus almost immediately. An appearance against Mater Dei, the nation's top prep unit, in the CIF Open Division title game is the culmination of 21 seasons of work. Kudos.

Wow, Walsh has been at Serra for 21 years???…. That is Crazy!!!!

 

[ararar]

they EARNED and that's where they'll be.

Nobody earns anything in this crap playoff system.You get selected deserves got nothing to do with it

 

[FBIQ]

Nobody earns anything in this crap playoff system.You get selected deserves got nothing to do with it

This is why everyone loves the NFL, no computer rankings everything is settled on the field. High school and college football has too many teams for that to happen.

DLS has and will be the standard for NorCal football, I don't think that changes after 1 year. Besides, isn't the Serra coach Patrick Walsh a DLS guy? DLS has its fingerprints all over the top levels of NorCal football.

 

[THEOC89]

I think the main issue here is that DLS fans have come to expect a shot at the open no matter what. I get it, DLS has been there all but one year since the beginning.

I keep hearing everyone say how bad Serra will be beaten by MD and that is fine, but how bad would DLS be beaten by MD after losing to SF? Sure Serra loss to SF during the season, but when it was for all the marbles Serra came out on top. Who's to say that SF wouldn't have beat DLS once again?

If Serra gets destroyed by MD, one could only imagine that it would have been the same outcome if NorCal had sent DLS to play MD this season. I see no real distance between DLS, SF, & Serra this year.

Go look at the history of MD, Bosco, DLS, and every other power house program, all of them had stages of growth that catapulted them up the ladder. In order for high school football programs to reach the highest levels, they will have to play on the national stage. Welcome to the National stage Serra Padres.

The Main issue is That The Open Rep is Supposed to be The #1 Team in Nor Cal….

The #1 Team in Nor Cal does not lose to another Nor Cal Team By 23 points period….

Even if you add Serra’s win against SF Serra was still out scored by 19 points by SF….

Bring Back the Open Play in Game so we can have a True #1 team in Nor Cal so the Committee can stop doing stupid things like picking a team who lost by 23 points 4 weeks ago to a Nor Cal team as “The #1 Team In Nor Cal”…..

 

[Norcalnut]

I agree. So ironic that DLS fans were so quick to point the finger at anyone thought of "crying their way into or out of games." DLS doesn't get selected for the Open and all we hear is crying.

Such an entitled fan base to include those not even affiliates with the program. Heck- the moderator was even advocating for them to get selected! Some people just don't like change.

DLS is in the 1AA bowl and that is that. That is what they EARNED and that's where they'll be. Given what Folsom did to Rocklin last week, it wouldn't surprise me to see Folsom make half of this forum shit their pants going into the 2nd half. Watch.

Entitlement culture is real. Be happy you even got a RBG. Some programs would kill to even have that.

After all the ass woopings Folsoms endured over the years (about to go 0-6 and get running clocked) this is your crowning achievement “DLS doesn’t deserve to be in the Open” and it happened. You found a new low for propping up your achievements keep on keeping on you’ll get there some day.

 

[FBIQ]

The Main issue is That The Open Rep is Supposed to be The #1 Team in Nor Cal….

The #1 Team in Nor Cal does not lose to another Nor Cal Team By 23 points period….

Even if you add Serra’s win against SF Serra was still out scored by 19 points by SF….

Bring Back the Open Play in Game so we can have a True #1 team in Nor Cal so the Committee can stop doing stupid things like picking a team who lost by 23 points 4 weeks ago to a Nor Cal team as “The #1 Team In Nor Cal”…..

You said "stop doing stupid things like this". Has this ever happened before? DLS has represented NorCal in the open every year besides 2008. This year they got beat by a team that got beat by Serra, DLS losing to SF (a NorCal Opponent) is something that hasn't happen in decades. One mistake by DLS & One mistake by SF put Serra in the CIF Open Championship Game.

I don't agree with it but I can clearly see how this happened. How DLS bounces back from this will be fun to watch.

How is DLS at the lower levels (F/JV)? I'm assuming they are loaded like always?

 

[HSWIZARD73]

After all the ass woopings Folsoms endured over the years (about to go 0-6 and get running clocked) this is your crowning achievement “DLS doesn’t deserve to be in the Open” and it happened. You found a new low for propping up your achievements keep on keeping on you’ll get there some day.

And ironically the team he said deserved it, that coach is a DLS alum. Pretty safe to say Serra and DLS pull for one another unless they face off of course.

 

[Cal 14]

I think the main issue here is that DLS fans have come to expect a shot at the open no matter what. I get it, DLS has been there all but one year since the beginning.

I keep hearing everyone say how bad Serra will be beaten by MD and that is fine, but how bad would DLS be beaten by MD after losing to SF? Sure Serra loss to SF during the season, but when it was for all the marbles Serra came out on top. Who's to say that SF wouldn't have beat DLS once again?

If Serra gets destroyed by MD, one could only imagine that it would have been the same outcome if NorCal had sent DLS to play MD this season. I see no real distance between DLS, SF, & Serra this year.

Go look at the history of MD, Bosco, DLS, and every other power house program, all of them had stages of growth that catapulted them up the ladder. In order for high school football programs to reach the highest levels, they will have to play on the national stage. Welcome to the National stage Serra Padres.

Great post.