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SFL, whose is it? Folsom's!

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SFL is setting up to be "interesting". Whose is it?

One may think that Sac taking down Folsom could leave you with "where is Folsom really at"? Sure they lost a lot last year but they have shown year in and year out that they can reload. Is something amiss in the Dawg house? Are they just in a temporal funk like Del Oro was last year and will pull out in next few games? I'm not buying the "uh oh Folsom is in trouble" line for a myriad of reasons. One reason being they ran into very underrated Sac team that matched up well with Folsom and IMO did what most teams should do playing Folsom and that is to disrupt their receivers(at least that is what I hear happened). "If" indeed a key factor is that Folsom is "down" much more than they have been in say the last ~8years, more so than we all know, then we will see the how well the coaching staff can coach them up. Personally I think Folsom will hit their groove as they have a "plug-and-play" system with some great coaches.

Let's look the SFL ordinal ranking based purely on CalPreps so we have a means to start(formatting never seems to work out but there will be 4 columns with below respective data, you may have to eyeball alignment):
Team------------- W/L------Rating------SOS
Del Oro---------- 4-0------- 57.7-------- 31
Folsom---------- 3-1------- 50.7-------- 33.7
Rocklin---------- 3-1------- 45---------- 38.5
Oak Ridge------ 3-1------- 43.2-------- 28.9
Granite Bay----- 1-3------- 25---------- 35.8
Nevada Union-- 2-2------- 19.5-------- 20.2
Woodcreek----- 2-2------- 15.9-------- 19.7

By the numbers Rocklin has played the toughest schedule through the first 4 games followed by GB.

I have only seen DO play and no other SFL team so my general observations and ranking below are based on what I read, conversations with other fans and historical performance. I will likely dig into numbers and add some observations later based on stats but I'll start with my gut. Here is how I rank the SFL teams going into the start of the league play:


#1 Folsom
The team to beat in the SFL and are top Dawgs until proven otherwise. I think they hit a groove as I believe in their coaching & system.

#2 Del Oro
I know seeing almost every DO game since 1999 that they typically start slow and is a process to get them to a playoff caliber level but they have proven they can do that time and again. Also having seen DO play for many years I'm not comfortable that they have a strong run game this year. Sure I can gather data and analyze and produce a data driven opinion but from what I've seen and expect, especially with returning O-line and RB, they are underperforming in their run game. Bells stuffed DO run game in 2nd half and they have not had the success at least that I expected thus far running the rock. Where they are underperforming in their run game they are performing in their pass game. QB Smartt is quietly delivering the goods with his arm and decisions. Run defense better than their pass defense but that has been, IMO, DO's pattern for years. Overall defense is good and good enough to start SFL play and expect good things. Coaching has another notch in their belt as they have proven they can coach up a 2-6 team into a state champion. With a lot of return players and good coaching I expect a strong showing in SFL play.

#3 Rocklin
To me, the thing with Rocklin is they are always good and they always seem to sneak up on you. What I mean by sneak up on you is that they don't always get a ton of rep on these boards or in other media but they hit the playoffs and start punching everyone in the mouth. QB Nolan seems solid with decent numbers through the first 3 games: 174yards/game with 100 QB rating. Don't know much about running game and their defense is always solid with good coaching. They will compete as usual and certainly a candidate to take the SFL. They are two points from a perfect record losing a very close loss to Grant. Grant 21, Rocklin 20. Does a tougher pre league position them stronger than the other SFL teams before SFL league play begins? ThunderRam knows Rocklin the best and can color where they are.

#4 Oak Ridge
Like Rocklin will be solid as always. Lost a great QB. I just don't know a lot about OR this year but Mr. LaryLegend does and I'll take his word they are and will be solid. Definitely a candidate for SFL crown.

#5 Granite Bay
They are down this year or at least that is my observation so far. If we look at just one game, their margin of loss to Whitney, 41(Cats)-21(GB) vs Rocklin beating Whitney in the Quarry Bowl by 1point and Oak Ridge beating Vacaville 41-15 where GB lost to Vacaville 23-46 then they are appropriately ranked. Could be tough sailing for GB with Folsom/DO/Rocklin/OR. Not enough to go on to know how good GB coach is and factor coaching will have rest of the season.

#6 Nevada Union
Yes, NU over the Creek. They took Napa to OT and lost on a 2pt play gamble according to Kevin. NU appears to be climbing out of the depths.

#7 Woodcreek
Where is this program headed?

So based on performance so far and historical factors whose SFL will it be?
 
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Del Oro, and anticipate they will finish undefeated and be #2 or #3 seed in SJS D1 section playoffs. Folsom to finish 2nd in SFL and land a #5 or #6 seed in SJS D1 section playoffs.
 
Woodcreek beat Davis. Lost to a good Sheldon and antelope team. Who both can beat most teams in the sfl right now. Before you say were is the wood creek program going, take a look at del oro who "recruited" multiple players the past three years from woodcreek. I played ball at del oro and sad that is how slime ball they have become. Folsom is doing the same thing. Del oro should be a lot better than they are.
 
SMR, very close, but need to swap OR and Rocklin.

1. Folsom had a bad night against Sac. No program in the area has truly had an answer for Folsom's offense. Solid defense gets them the ball more often and they know how to score. Taylor's exodus is noticable, but still tabbed to win SFL.

2. Del Oro's defense will stop Folsom's run, but not stop the Folsom pass attack. Folsom will score as usual on DO. The offense has evolved (it's not the 90's!) and causes teams issues. Their run game actually looks good, averaging 5.7 ypc and their RB Davis at 6.2 ypc, and their QB a big part of it. He can sling it, too.

3. Oak Ridge has good numbers (40 pts per game, 5.3 yards per carry, 160 yard passing) -- but their 3 wins came against Burbank, Vista Del Lago and Vacaville. Bright light is they scored 34 in loss to Reed, but defense is suspect. Edge to DO and Folsom, nobody else.

4. Rocklin run per carry average is 3.4 while passing for nearly 200 a game. Folsom will eat Rocklin up in their secondary, DO and Oak Ridge offenses will put up more than Rocklin can against the DO and OR defenses. Low margin wins thus far don't bode well in the long run.

5.Granite Bay - yards per carry at 2.3, passing around 111. Current record 1-3. New staff means new identity. Still figuring things out. Will not get by the above teams.

6. NU - yards per carry at 4.2 and passing around 145 yards a game. Two tight losses and wins over Placer and Lincoln don't put them at same level of those above. Also lost to Napa in OT who Rocklin handled.

7. Woodcreek - wins over Vintage and Davis don't count. Yards per carry is at 5.1 -- low considering they run the veer. Pass yards at 120 per game. Defensively have very low number of assisted tackles. Will not stand up to most SFL offenses.
 
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I've see OR play several times in addition to Folsom. I haven't seen any of the other teams in the SFL yet but I plan on watching DO and Rocklin soon. Here are my thoughts.

Agree about Folsom taking the title. Dragons win will help Folsom re-focus. I say they rebound nicely against Woodcreek next week. But make no mistake this is going to be a real up for grabs league race this year.

My "crazy" pick for #2. I think Rocklin sneaks up on everybody. They rarely get any press and year in and out they are strong. Keep in mind last year they beat DO 28-3 and then lost to them in the playoffs in a close 30-20 game. Many under class on that team just like DO. They have played the best schedule this year.

#3 DO. Call me crazy. But honestly the top 3 could flip flop this year. DO has played a weak schedule for their standards. Bellarmine is a nice win but they are down this year. Good QB in Smart who should see some low D1 offers. Losing their playmaker to Colorado and not having that traditionally strong running game is concern.

#4 OR. I've seen them 2x this year. Good team. Typical OR well coached. I just don't see any "IT" factor. They finally played somebody and got beat pretty bad in Reed. Losing Book and a few others really hurt them.

The rest is up for grabs. Granite Bay is way down. They could be the last place team this year. Agree Woodcreek isn't that bad.
 
smashmouthrick said:
QB Nolan seems solid with decent numbers through the first 3 games: 174yards/game with 100 QB rating.
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Michael Nolan was injured during the 3 qtr of the Whitney game. His dad told me it is a fractured collarbone. He could be back in 6-8 weeks.

Sophomore Cade Wyant threw the winning TD against Whitney and led the charge against Clovis West. The Thunder offense really struggled the 1st half, but picked it up in the 2nd half during their dramatic come back win (they were down 24-7).

I've seen every game and they should have beat Grant Union -- as they were up 20-7 in the 4th, missed a short FG then surrendered the winning score on 4th and 8. That said, they could have easily lost to Whitney and were extremely luck to win the Clovis West game. I think Clovis would have won if not for a poor decision made by the HC late in the game -- he opted for a FG at around the Rocklin 12 on a 4th and 3 w/ around 2 minutes to go. Should have went for it and made the Thunder drive 70+ yards for a potential tying FG rather than go up 6 and allow them to drive 65 yards for the outright win.

With regard to who the SFL favorite should be, I don't see how it can be anybody but Del Oro. They are defending State champs with a ton of returning starters and they've started 4-0. Nobody else in the SFL can say the same. Folsom didn't return a lot, lost Troy Taylor and have a loss already. Rocklin hasn't shown enough consistency with their play and Oak Ridge doesn't appear to be as strong as the previous couple seasons. Granite Bay is really down compared to their usual standards and NU, while improved, isn't ready yet. Woodcreek is, well Woodcreek.

BTW, I read somewhere that Whitney may be headed to the SFL during the next realignment. That should be interesting.
 
Colossus64 said:
Woodcreek beat Davis. Lost to a good Sheldon and antelope team. Who both can beat most teams in the sfl right now. Before you say were is the wood creek program going, take a look at del oro who "recruited" multiple players the past three years from woodcreek. I played ball at del oro and sad that is how slime ball they have become. Folsom is doing the same thing. Del oro should be a lot better than they are.
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What are the 2 most over used words?
1. Recruited
2. Racist
You do know Woodcreeks star bball player the last 6 +- years did not attend their "home school".
Just because a program has success didn't mean they are cheating or recruiting.
WoodCreek has not had a winning record in its 20+ years. There Freshman and Jv teams often do. Many kids stop playing after 1-2 years there.... Why do you think that is????
 
I still think Folsom is the favorite until somebody in SFL beats them. Tip hats off to Sac high but one game doesn't define a season for me. But like I said its up for grabs and we are going to have some great games where the outcome isn't going to be whether or not Folsom QB is in in the 4th.

Didn't know Nolan broke collarbone. That changes a lot of things then. Rocklin beat DO last year right? They returned a ton of players as well.
 
Del oro has 11+ Players transfer from woodcreek past couple years. When some of the coaches went to deal oro. All those kids are going to del oro for FFA lol. All they do is check the box that they are going for FFA then don't take the class. CIF needs to make sure all the players are in the FFA. Folsom has Folsom parents sending out letters about all the transfers that have gone to Folsom. They have a player who's parents live in Nevada lol. Long story short del oro and Folsom are cheating period. Good example they showing the kids.
 
larry legend33 said:
Didn't know Nolan broke collarbone. That changes a lot of things then. Rocklin beat DO last year right? They returned a ton of players as well.
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Not really. They lost most of their skill/key players. Their top QB, RB and defensive player all graduated. They also lost 2 of their top 3 receiving threats. Wes Preece graduated and Evan Michalet transfered out. Another key loss was LB Eric Merino, who opted not to play his senior season due to lingering injuries.

Kier Gibson-Adams is really the only notable skill player that returned. Trey Overton also returned but wasn't counted upon much last season. Michael Nolan was converted from WR to QB, so that's another receiver they lost and now they lost him at QB too -- where he had played pretty well.
 
Colossus64 said:
Del oro has 11+ Players transfer from woodcreek past couple years. When some of the coaches went to deal oro. All those kids are going to del oro for FFA lol. All they do is check the box that they are going for FFA then don't take the class. CIF needs to make sure all the players are in the FFA. Folsom has Folsom parents sending out letters about all the transfers that have gone to Folsom. They have a player who's parents live in Nevada lol. Long story short del oro and Folsom are cheating period. Good example they showing the kids.
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I don't know about all the players you are talking about, but explain how a program is "cheating" because kids opt to transfer of their own free choosing? You're positioning it as if Del Oro's and Folsom's coaches are actively going to other campuses and taking the kids they want.

Since the beginning of time, successful programs have been attracting student athletes that want to win. It happens everywhere and in every sport and isn't at all a new development. If Woodcreek's football program was highly successful (like their basketball program), they'd be attracting top student athletes too.

If you know of specific cases that broke the rules, you should report it. Otherwise it's poor form to make accusations like these without any proof other than kids/parents making a choice they have every right to make.
 
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I agree. Its a big step up for Whitney but that is a growing area with young families and will continue to attract student athletes. Whitney should have one of there better teams in recent years right now.
 
ThunderRam said:
I don't know about all the players you are talking about, but explain how a program is "cheating" because kids opt to transfer of their own free choosing? You're positioning it as if Del Oro's and Folsom's coaches are actively going to other campuses and taking the kids they want.

Since the beginning of time, successful programs have been attracting student athletes that want to win. It happens everywhere and in every sport and isn't at all a new development. If Woodcreek's football program was highly successful (like their basketball program), they'd be attracting top student athletes too.

If you know of specific cases that broke the rules, you should report it. Otherwise it's poor form to make accusations like these without any proof other than kids/parents making a choice they have every right to make.
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Former Woodcreek junior coaches Coach Esquival, coach Seamon, coach kravitch were all woodcreek junior program coaches. They had a beef with the high school
At the woodcreek youth banquet. Coach Esquival proclaimed he was leaving to DO and if any players wanted to talk to them about transfer to DO he could help.
All 3 of these coaches ended up on the DO coaching staff along with 12 woodcreek kids that year. Most of the players took FFA and raised a pig so they didnt have to move to loomis. Some of the players still live across the street from woodcreek. That was just the beginning. Kids are still transferring to take FFA. Undo influence? That is a clear violation of the CIF rules. So let's just say they are cheating the systems since you don't think they are cheaters
 
Well, at least a city kid can learn where his bacon comes from.....and not the Canadian kind!
 
Colossus64 said:
Former Woodcreek junior coaches Coach Esquival, coach Seamon, coach kravitch were all woodcreek junior program coaches. They had a beef with the high school
At the woodcreek youth banquet. Coach Esquival proclaimed he was leaving to DO and if any players wanted to talk to them about transfer to DO he could help.
All 3 of these coaches ended up on the DO coaching staff along with 12 woodcreek kids that year. Most of the players took FFA and raised a pig so they didnt have to move to loomis. Some of the players still live across the street from woodcreek. That was just the beginning. Kids are still transferring to take FFA. Undo influence? That is a clear violation of the CIF rules. So let's just say they are cheating the systems since you don't think they are cheaters
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Instead of complaining and gossiping about it here, report it. It's pretty simple. The CIF SJS site is very easy to find and their contact info is readily available. Until then, this sounds like a load of hearsay.
 
Colossus64 said:
Former Woodcreek junior coaches Coach Esquival, coach Seamon, coach kravitch were all woodcreek junior program coaches. They had a beef with the high school
At the woodcreek youth banquet. Coach Esquival proclaimed he was leaving to DO and if any players wanted to talk to them about transfer to DO he could help.
All 3 of these coaches ended up on the DO coaching staff along with 12 woodcreek kids that year. Most of the players took FFA and raised a pig so they didnt have to move to loomis. Some of the players still live across the street from woodcreek. That was just the beginning. Kids are still transferring to take FFA. Undo influence? That is a clear violation of the CIF rules. So let's just say they are cheating the systems since you don't think they are cheaters
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Most of what your saying has some truth to it, but I believe almost all the players played freshman year at Woodcreek so why leave unless something is really wrong with their program, that's my point not that Del Oro isn't an attractive place to play football.
 
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i don't know about all the other transfers but was told last week that the Creeks JV QB transferred to DO. Good source told me he was suspended for the season for athletic motivated transfer???? TR is very correct be good enough to build it and they will come.....Dova in the day had the same things going on...just the way it is....
 
Been done. CIF notified coaches a few days ago.
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Instead of complaining and gossiping about it here, report it. It's pretty simple. The CIF SJS site is very easy to find and their contact info is readily available. Until then, this sounds like a load of hearsay.
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I guess I'm TOO OLD SCHOOL but too many on here are starting to sound like Socal'ers. Building Super Football Teams should not be an excuse to "allow mommy and daddy to do what they think is best for little Johnny". Athletically motivated transfers are not allowed by CIF (no matter what loopholes there are - like FFA). Okay, go ahead, I'm ready for the bashing!
 
RunningRon said:
SMR, very close, but need to swap OR and Rocklin.

1. Folsom had a bad night against Sac. No program in the area has truly had an answer for Folsom's offense. Solid defense gets them the ball more often and they know how to score. Taylor's exodus is noticable, but still tabbed to win SFL.

2. Del Oro's defense will stop Folsom's run, but not stop the Folsom pass attack. Folsom will score as usual on DO. The offense has evolved (it's not the 90's!) and causes teams issues. Their run game actually looks good, averaging 5.7 ypc and their RB Davis at 6.2 ypc, and their QB a big part of it. He can sling it, too.

3. Oak Ridge has good numbers (40 pts per game, 5.3 yards per carry, 160 yard passing) -- but their 3 wins came against Burbank, Vista Del Lago and Vacaville. Bright light is they scored 34 in loss to Reed, but defense is suspect. Edge to DO and Folsom, nobody else.

4. Rocklin run per carry average is 3.4 while passing for nearly 200 a game. Folsom will eat Rocklin up in their secondary, DO and Oak Ridge offenses will put up more than Rocklin can against the DO and OR defenses. Low margin wins thus far don't bode well in the long run.

5.Granite Bay - yards per carry at 2.3, passing around 111. Current record 1-3. New staff means new identity. Still figuring things out. Will not get by the above teams.

6. NU - yards per carry at 4.2 and passing around 145 yards a game. Two tight losses and wins over Placer and Lincoln don't put them at same level of those above. Also lost to Napa in OT who Rocklin handled.

7. Woodcreek - wins over Vintage and Davis don't count. Yards per carry is at 5.1 -- low considering they run the veer. Pass yards at 120 per game. Defensively have very low number of assisted tackles. Will not stand up to most SFL offenses.
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Whom are the New Staff? They not promoted within? Are they still using the "Fly Offense?"
 
smashmouthrick said:
Top 4 can be any order. The obvious question is why you have NU over GB. Don't think GB is that down.
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I actually think his list looks pretty spot on after 4 weeks of football. Things can obviously change based upon upcoming head-to-head matchups but I'd rank them pretty much as he has them listed.

With regard to GB and NU, I think the Miners have played better and I'd take them over the Grizzlies right now. They proved to be a tough out for Antelope and Napa. Rocklin better step up their game or they may end up with an L up at Hooper Stadium this weekend.

I'd be interested to hear kevin_sierra_cb's take on the Miners thus far as I'm pretty confident he's seen every game.
 
ThunderRam said:
I actually think his list looks pretty spot on after 4 weeks of football. Things can obviously change based upon upcoming head-to-head matchups but I'd rank them pretty much as he has them listed.

With regard to GB and NU, I think the Miners have played better and I'd take them over the Grizzlies right now. They proved to be a tough out for Antelope and Napa. Rocklin better step up their game or they may end up with an L up at Hooper Stadium this weekend.

I'd be interested to hear kevin_sierra_cb's take on the Miners thus far as I'm pretty confident he's seen every game.
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So this got me thinking some more i.e. think out side my stereo typing frame of mind. Just looking at the teams both NU & GB lost to and playing around with some numbers between GB & NU where I look at the average SOS of teams lost to and average score delta of teams they lost to I see that NU had the better numbers. NU has a greater difference in SOS vs teams they played vs GB and yet they have an average lower margin of loss. While this can mean nothing it at least get's me to thinking ILOVETROJANFOOTBALL may be onto something.
 
I think it's a combination of GB being down and NU being up. All things considered, they are probably fairly even, but, like you just said, it appears that NU has faced better competition thus far -- which is why I gave them the edge. We'll know a lot more Friday night after they face Rocklin.
 
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With regard to GB and NU, I think the Miners have played better and I'd take them over the Grizzlies right now.
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Very difficult call. I have spoken to some of the guys that coach over at GB. More than a year ago, they straight up said they would not have good teams for the next few years. The reality on the ground is that the parents in that community do not want their kids playing tackle football (for safety reasons) and they have excellent baseball, lacrosse, rugby and soccer programs which compete all year for youth players. You also have a new coach trying to put more passing into the mix - which presents a real coaching challenge when you've brought your kids up in the fly system for 5 years. With all that as background, it will be a real test of character for those kids to come off their 4th loss of the season this weekend and fight every week following. Especially when you consider they are accustomed to winning a lot. They may be up to it. They have some really classy kids on that team. But it will be a challenge.
 
ILOVETROJANFOOTBALL said:
You also have a new coach trying to put more passing into the mix - which presents a real coaching challenge when you've brought your kids up in the fly system for 5 years. With all that as background, it will be a real test of character for those kids to come off their 4th loss of the season this weekend and fight every week following. Especially when you consider they are accustomed to winning a lot. They may be up to it. They have some really classy kids on that team. But it will be a challenge.
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No disrespect intended toward Jeff Evans or Skip Albano, but losing a leader the caliber of Ernie Cooper is bound to have a negative impact. Look no further than Nevada Union after Dave Humphers retired in 2012 (although other factors were at play too).

Evans, Albano and Houlihan at NU are all good coaches in their own right, but it's just hard to follow in the footsteps of coaches like that and keep it running the same. Not all coaches are built the same. Many may disagree, but I don't believe Justin Alumbaugh would have been quite as successful the past 3+ seasons if Bob Ladouceur and Terry Eidson had left the DLS program altogether. They both still have a big impact on that program which is one of many reasons the ship has stayed on course.

Sometimes the assistant that takes over is just as good or even better than his mentor (e.g, Humphers replaced Blankenship, Alberghini replaced Vukajlovich), but that's not usually the case.
 
smashmouthrick said:
Like a number of fans here, as one that has played this game and loves it, this is not what I want to hear. Because this is true I worry about the future of football.
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Smash mouth- I hate to hear that as well but I really think this is just the tip of the iceberg. Start really watching roster sizes at all levels. I can't believe how many 1500-2000 student schools barely have 30-35 kids. Go down to JV and Fresh and its 20 or less. The Folsom, Clayton Valley's, DO's, etc are going to have big rosters. But look at all the other schools with good all around sports programs. Davis HS is a perfect example. Nationally ranked in Soccer, Baseball, and swimming. Huge HS. But in a highly educated white color college town guess what.... Barely can get 30 bodies suited up. I don't see that trend changing.
 
larry legend33 said:
Start really watching roster sizes at all levels. I can't believe how many 1500-2000 student schools barely have 30-35 kids.

Barely can get 30 bodies suited up. I don't see that trend changing.
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I see it changing. Everything is cyclical. And right now we're just in the midst of a downward trend due to several factors, most notably all the concern/talk over safety and long term health. There are improvements being made every day due to research and awareness. Eventually it will even out.

Keep in mind, you can go back and find articles from the 70's, 80's and 90's talking about dwindling numbers in football. But here we still are decades later with the game still going. I'm not saying the game will be the same as it always was, but I still believe things will even out. Also, football generates so much revenue for most schools that they'll find a way to keep it around and promote it in such a way that they'll still get sufficient participation.

Lastly, considering the size of collegiate rosters, football provides the largest opportunity for athletes to earn scholarships to University's they otherwise may not be able to attend. If for no other reason, there will always be participation for an opportunity at that lottery ticket.

That said, schools located in larger median income areas such as Granite Bay or El Dorado Hills may suffer more than schools located in lesser privileged areas because some families can afford tuition outright.
 
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Thunder- Your last paragraph said 1000 words. I couldn't agree more. The socioeconomics of football are changing quite a bit and there have been some interesting articles about this very topic.
 
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Nobody knows what has gone on at NU...besides the people that know. Like me. "Hard to follow" in the footsteps has nothing to do with NU's situation. Losing 1400 students since 1999 has something to do with it. If anyone puts up a CBEDs number here about how many students NU has they are mistaken.

Do yourselves a favor. Watch film on an NU game this year. Or watch in person. Look on Maxpreps or your program...and count how many junior/sophomore starters are on the field. NU is competing this year, but has a chance to be a monster in 2017. And by 2017 the enrollment at NU will be in the 1400s.
 
Lips and Picks said:
Nobody knows what has gone on at NU...besides the people that know. Like me. "Hard to follow" in the footsteps has nothing to do with NU's situation. Losing 1400 students since 1999 has something to do with it. If anyone puts up a CBEDs number here about how many students NU has they are mistaken.

Do yourselves a favor. Watch film on an NU game this year. Or watch in person. Look on Maxpreps or your program...and count how many junior/sophomore starters are on the field. NU is competing this year, but has a chance to be a monster in 2017. And by 2017 the enrollment at NU will be in the 1400s.
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Whatever the reasons it is good to see NU breathing competitive fire. Hope you are right about 2017.
 
Lips and Picks said:
Nobody knows what has gone on at NU...besides the people that know. Like me. "Hard to follow" in the footsteps has nothing to do with NU's situation. Losing 1400 students since 1999 has something to do with it. If anyone puts up a CBEDs number here about how many students NU has they are mistaken.

Do yourselves a favor. Watch film on an NU game this year. Or watch in person. Look on Maxpreps or your program...and count how many junior/sophomore starters are on the field. NU is competing this year, but has a chance to be a monster in 2017. And by 2017 the enrollment at NU will be in the 1400s.
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The NU program at the end of the Humphers era lacked accountability. Dave is a good man but winning trumped oversight of the players off/on field behavior (my potentially simplified observation).

Houlihan and Del Bon have cleaned up the program, are holding kids accountable to be leaders in the community and on campus and despite three very tumultuous years, have held the line and not bent on the values they're trying to instill. Culture takes time to change and unfortunately the 2018 class will be an anomaly. The lower levels are still struggling but it will get turned around. Hopefully this class creates a winning attitude that brings more young athletes out to play football.

Since 2000, NU has seen a drop in enrollment of roughly 1400 but because a prep school called Ghidotti housed adjacent to NU is counted in their enrollment numbers for CIF, it appears there are more students attending NU. This was done for Ghidotti families so some studenta could participate in extracurriculars at the far more comprehensive NU campus. In 2015/16 the numbers were in the mid-1600s but Ghidotti adds another 160 to the count even though only a handful of their students participate on any athletic team.

The Grass Valley/Nevada City community has become a retirement haven with little housing development or jobs for new families. With the economy improving in the foothills, realignment in a couple of years and it's current strong administrative leadership, NU may begin to return to its once proud traditions.
 
Lips and Picks said:
Nobody knows what has gone on at NU...besides the people that know. Like me. "Hard to follow" in the footsteps has nothing to do with NU's situation. Losing 1400 students since 1999 has something to do with it. If anyone puts up a CBEDs number here about how many students NU has they are mistaken.
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I remember this topic coming up last season, or the year before, and you (or someone else with direct knowledge) pointing out the exaggerated enrollment numbers. I seem to recall some administrative issues mentioned as an issue too.

My comment regarding following in the footsteps of a legendary coach was more of a general thing, although I did mention GB and NU as specific examples. Obviously there is more to it than that for NU, but the gist of my point is typically true.

Lips and Picks said:
Do yourselves a favor. Watch film on an NU game this year. Or watch in person. Look on Maxpreps or your program...and count how many junior/sophomore starters are on the field. NU is competing this year, but has a chance to be a monster in 2017. And by 2017 the enrollment at NU will be in the 1400s.
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I actually recently watched some the NU-Napa game archived on thecube and will be making the trip to Hooper Stadium this Friday night. Looking forward to it. I think Rocklin is in for battle.
 
Yeah, they've certainly been snakebit in that regard. Tiger Sorenson, Jimmy Laughrea and Michael Nolan all suffered collar bone fractures and Max O'Rourke suffered a fractured femur that was weakened by a tumor discovered in his hip joint.

Laughrea's injury occurred in the Section Final and certainly decreased their chances in the State Bowl game against Servite. I personally believe they win that game had he played.

O'Rourke's injury derailed a promising 2014 season in which they were 6-0 with him starting under center and also booming long FG's. He accounted for 17 TD's and only 1 INT through 5+ games. His loss was a huge blow to that team.
 
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