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[HSWIZARD73]

LMAO, this board will be silent now until October 2025. To everyone of you basketball gurus. It is hard as hell to win a state title period. When Riordan won in 2002, your a moron to think the D1 and D2 teams weee better than D3 Riordan and Centennial. Recruit more.

 

[ankleassassin]

i know everybody phone didnt die...
the comments were coming in hard and fast all season....
and now...
its like they forgot they password or summnn

 

[HSWIZARD73]

i know everybody phone didnt die...
the comments were coming in hard and fast all season....
and now...
its like they forgot they password or summnn

Don’t know how long you have been in California but the way the CIF has changed things since the open is very suspect in my opinion.

Back in the late 80’s and 90’s you could petition to play up. Hence why a school of 300 kids aka Jason Kidd played D1. A few other schools did as well.

This last week I added up the combined losses of D1 thru 5 boys and girls that played for state titles It was over 200.

In the late 90’s they then went to enrollment period. And in most cases the division 1 games were so so and the D2-D4 and even a few D5 games were dynamite. Their was a team called Price from So Cal that would compete with this Riordan and Roosevelt team and would have easily beat every other boys team in all the other divisions.

What enrollment did was bring the best teams to the board? Klay Thompson played division 3. Tyson Chandler and Tyshaun Prince D2. Jrue Holiday D4 and every so often you would get guys like James Harden in D1. Year after year you literally got to watch the best of the best play.

But then came the open division. In reality should be called the private school killer. It took a majority of the privates and put them all open. Rosevelt of course is an exception and every so often may have that. But at the end of the day outside of the open division, all the rest of the better high schools are sitting at home.

And being SO Cal has been known to be loaded with talent, it doesn’t surprise me at all that after kicking SO Cal ass that the score was what it was last night against Nor Cal.

To me the CIF should go back to enrollment so the fans can witness the best teams play each and every year.

 

[colhenrylives]

The CIF fixation with "equity" has altered the playoffs. One of the aims of the change is to give the publics more chances for state titles. By cramming as many strong privates into the Open Division as possible in a given year, they are kept out of lower divisions, especially in NorCal. At least that's a goal.

 

[ankleassassin]

The 4 best teams in the state for women and men played in the open title games.

It worked out

 

[CoachRandal]

Competitive Equity (CE) is socialism in sports. Playoffs are supposed to be about chasing excellence with the cream rising to the top on the final day. In this CE system half of the top teams are eliminated on the first day and mediocre teams (often with losing records) are given easy paths to play on. High school sports are supposed to be part of an education with the primary lesson being that hard work and team work will be rewarded. This CE system does the opposite and punishes hard work and achievement. The intent of CE is to help underachieving schools which is nice but they are doing it by lowering standards which has the unintended consequence of hurts those diligently striving for success. There are more underachieving schools than excellent schools so a system like this is popular and wins votes in the CIF. The irony is the strong are getting stronger and the weak are getting weaker in this CE system since to win open or D1 you need to accumulate more talent and that is what the top teams are doing often at the expense of weaker schools. I would like to see us go back to enrollment based divisions but keep the Open for the power teams (they are different).

 

[ankleassassin]

Enrollment is misleading.
Lace up your sneakers and practice.
If you scared join the band

 

[observer22]

i know everybody phone didnt die...
the comments were coming in hard and fast all season....
and now...
its like they forgot they password or summnn

I have to think a lot of people just didn’t want to pile on. That was a clinic out on by Roosevelt and Brayden Burries. The R had no answer for him, even with what was revered to be the best defensive team they’ve ever had. 27 points at half, and then another 13 in the 3rd like no adjustments were made at halftime?

I was hoping to see a duel with him and Rencher, as they were the 2 big recruits and similar in size, but it was one-sided. You could clearly see why he was a McDonalds AA, and no one else on the floor was. 44 & 12 was just what the doctor ordered in a game of this magnitude.

 

[HSWIZARD73]

The CIF fixation with "equity" has altered the playoffs. One of the aims of the change is to give the publics more chances for state titles. By cramming as many strong privates into the Open Division as possible in a given year, they are kept out of lower divisions, especially in NorCal. At least that's a goal.

I have to think a lot of people just didn’t want to pile on. That was a clinic out on by Roosevelt and Brayden Burries. The R had no answer for him, even with what was revered to be the best defensive team they’ve ever had. 27 points at half, and then another 13 in the 3rd like no adjustments were made at halftime?

I was hoping to see a duel with him and Rencher, as they were the 2 big recruits and similar in size, but it was one-sided. You could clearly see why he was a McDonalds AA, and no one else on the floor was. 44 & 12 was just what the doctor ordered in a game of this magnitude.

That is a great point. For all the defensive accolades, yes, 27 in the 1st half and the second speaks volumes

 

[ArmchairGOAT]

That is a great point. For all the defensive accolades, yes, 27 in the 1st half and the second speaks volumes

No team had an answer for Burries this year. He put up 30 points against (at the time) #1 Harvard-Westlake and 37 against Notre Dame-Sherman Oaks. Both teams had household HS stars like McD AA Khamenia and Jr Stud Tyran Stokes.

 

[HSWIZARD73]

No team had an answer for Burries this year. He put up 30 points against (at the time) #1 Harvard-Westlake and 37 against Notre Dame-Sherman Oaks. Both teams had household HS stars like McD AA Khamenia and Jr Stud Tyran Stokes.

Look Arm I don’t know what the association with the school is. But please quit acting like you just played Lebron James or Jason Kidd, the two by far best high school players period. And many nba players went thru sac and lost and were unreal. As well as many big time D1 players as well.

Fact is you blew teams out all year long. Many backed how well defensively the team is. Well defense wins titles. And I don’t think Riordan lost due to a scoring machine. They lost because dunk city was zero because while one kid was scoring the rest made sure not one lob or dunk happened. Again defense wins titles. And 23 years ago defense won. The nor cal player of the year was unreal. But defense stopped two future nba players and two D1 guys as well. That’s fact. On that note i will be back next season possibly on a side line. However I have seen many many players play on the floor at Arco. Burries is not the best player of all time in California. Some Berger actually lost. Ask Jeremey Lin

 

[H.E.A.T.]

The CIF equity system is even manipulated. Seems very suspect and political.
Case in point :
The Norcal state is suppose to be a ranking system . Top 8 to open , 9-24 D1 , 25-40 D2 etc. How is that the head of Cif SJS is from Rocklin , Norcal tourney Director is from Elk Grove, Other Cif Brass Jesuit get “favorable seedings” .
Couple years ago Grant wins cif sjs D2 as 3 seed . Beats Eg in semis and Granite bay in final. Grant jumps to 7 seed D1 Norcal , while Granite bay is 15 in D2 . Somehow EG gets #1 D2 NorCal and 4 home games. ( Eventually win state.
Vanden last year wins D2 and gets rewarded with a 15 seed road game D1 .
So this year Rocklin ranked 40 in state beats Now #21 Jesuit in D2. Both conveniently get #1 and # 3 seed in D2 and Jesuit gets state title 44th place as 21 Rank. Rocklin #39. Meanwhile when it’s suppose to be a ranked system you have a 13-18 clovis west ranked 130 as a 13 on D1. Or Cal at #84 or San Joaquin at #77 . etc etc . I know Rocklin and Jesuit where a little lower ranked before norcal but not 130.

 

[PacerLegend]

Don’t know how long you have been in California but the way the CIF has changed things since the open is very suspect in my opinion.

Back in the late 80’s and 90’s you could petition to play up. Hence why a school of 300 kids aka Jason Kidd played D1. A few other schools did as well.

This last week I added up the combined losses of D1 thru 5 boys and girls that played for state titles It was over 200.

In the late 90’s they then went to enrollment period. And in most cases the division 1 games were so so and the D2-D4 and even a few D5 games were dynamite. Their was a team called Price from So Cal that would compete with this Riordan and Roosevelt team and would have easily beat every other boys team in all the other divisions.

What enrollment did was bring the best teams to the board? Klay Thompson played division 3. Tyson Chandler and Tyshaun Prince D2. Jrue Holiday D4 and every so often you would get guys like James Harden in D1. Year after year you literally got to watch the best of the best play.

But then came the open division. In reality should be called the private school killer. It took a majority of the privates and put them all open. Rosevelt of course is an exception and every so often may have that. But at the end of the day outside of the open division, all the rest of the better high schools are sitting at home.

And being SO Cal has been known to be loaded with talent, it doesn’t surprise me at all that after kicking SO Cal ass that the score was what it was last night against Nor Cal.

To me the CIF should go back to enrollment so the fans can witness the best teams play each and every year.

Harvard Westlake played D3 with Stanford Final Four bigs and NBA vets Jason and Jarron Collins in 96 & 97

HW defeated Grant in 96 for D3 State Title though they trailed at halftime by 6

HW repeated D3 in 97

 

[PacerLegend]

The CIF equity system is even manipulated. Seems very suspect and political.
Case in point :
The Norcal state is suppose to be a ranking system . Top 8 to open , 9-24 D1 , 25-40 D2 etc. How is that the head of Cif SJS is from Rocklin , Norcal tourney Director is from Elk Grove, Other Cif Brass Jesuit get “favorable seedings” .
Couple years ago Grant wins cif sjs D2 as 3 seed . Beats Eg in semis and Granite bay in final. Grant jumps to 7 seed D1 Norcal , while Granite bay is 15 in D2 . Somehow EG gets #1 D2 NorCal and 4 home games. ( Eventually win state.
Vanden last year wins D2 and gets rewarded with a 15 seed road game D1 .
So this year Rocklin ranked 40 in state beats Now #21 Jesuit in D2. Both conveniently get #1 and # 3 seed in D2 and Jesuit gets state title 44th place as 21 Rank. Rocklin #39. Meanwhile when it’s suppose to be a ranked system you have a 13-18 clovis west ranked 130 as a 13 on D1. Or Cal at #84 or San Joaquin at #77 . etc etc . I know Rocklin and Jesuit where a little lower ranked before norcal but not 130.

Excellent points...playoffs have expanded teams....shuffling teams all over ....I recall Sheldon beat eventual state champ Pleasant Grove 3 times...was moved to open from D1 and PG won D1 States which would of been Sheldon

More teams more CIF revenue...more like a participation 🏆 playoff system

 

[ArmchairGOAT]

Look Arm I don’t know what the association with the school is. But please quit acting like you just played Lebron James or Jason Kidd, the two by far best high school players period. And many nba players went thru sac and lost and were unreal. As well as many big time D1 players as well.

Fact is you blew teams out all year long. Many backed how well defensively the team is. Well defense wins titles. And I don’t think Riordan lost due to a scoring machine. They lost because dunk city was zero because while one kid was scoring the rest made sure not one lob or dunk happened. Again defense wins titles. And 23 years ago defense won. The nor cal player of the year was unreal. But defense stopped two future nba players and two D1 guys as well. That’s fact. On that note i will be back next season possibly on a side line. However I have seen many many players play on the floor at Arco. Burries is not the best player of all time in California. Some Berger actually lost. Ask Jeremey Lin

What is your beef with the school? Burries destroyed his SoCal Open opponents putting up 30 against Goliaths like #1 Harvard-Westlake and its McDAA Nick Khamenia and 39 last Tuesday against #1 Jr Tyran Stokes and a loaded Notre Dame squad. Fact.

Riordan did have 2 alley opps going for flushes only to be adjusted mid-air by both Emeneke and Seals for layups.

Burries is up there with the best players that I have personally seen play. As I posted earlier, Riordan players Brett Crawford, Terrence Mullins, Dwayne Fontana Marquise Kately were some of the best I've seen in HS. The best that I have seen are HOFers Gary Payton and Jason Kidd and current NBA vet, Aaron Gordon.

 

[SFcityfan]

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[H.E.A.T.]

Excellent points...playoffs have expanded teams....shuffling teams all over ....I recall Sheldon beat eventual state champ Pleasant Grove 3 times...was moved to open from D1 and PG won D1 States which would of been Sheldon

More teams more CIF revenue...more like a participation 🏆 playoff system

no there is still the same amount of teams. That hasn’t changed . What changed is how they place you. And it’s inconsistent

 

[PacerLegend]

no there is still the same amount of teams. That hasn’t changed . What changed is how they place you. And it’s inconsistent

More teams since late 90s...for example in SJS only teams that advanced to NorCals that were not SJS champs were 2nd place finishers ...not so now

 

[H.E.A.T.]

More teams since late 90s...for example in SJS only teams that advanced to NorCals that were not SJS champs were 2nd place finishers ...not so now

no in 80’s and 90’s only the Champ was auto and maybe 2nd place got at large. i was referring to pre competitive equity. They would still take all semi finalist to Norcal but more quality teams competed at all levels. Open started in 2013. Not sure year they started competitive equity. The open would still be ok but place everyone else where they belong. It makes no sense to award participation trophies to “A State Champ” . D4 was #67vs #100 in Cal. D5 was 251 vs 431.

 

[HSWIZARD73]

no in 80’s and 90’s only the Champ was auto and maybe 2nd place got at large. i was referring to pre competitive equity. They would still take all semi finalist to Norcal but more quality teams competed at all levels. Open started in 2013. Not sure year they started competitive equity. The open would still be ok but place everyone else where they belong. It makes no sense to award participation trophies to “A State Champ” . D4 was #67vs #100 in Cal. D5 was 251 vs 431.

BINGO.