Whats going on at Odowd?

[northbaybbguru]

ANOTHER loss tonight?

This time to San Leandro?...after getting spanked by Piedmont on Saturday by 20.

Are they dealing with covid issues? injuries? or?

does anyone know?

 

[northbaybbguru]

BOD still has games scheduled against Mitty, Salesian, Piedmont and Pinewood! Are we looking at a 12-7 BOD when all is said and done? holy cow!

 

[Streak One]

That isn't the stretch you want to play when you are trying to find yourself.

 

[northbaybbguru]

Final
Mitty 63
BOD 44

 

[northbaybbguru]

After the top 3 of SRV, Clet and Salesian the NCS open bracket is a mess.

 

[LBJ6]

After the top 3 of SRV, Clet and Salesian the NCS open bracket is a mess.

It will be the winner of the next Piedmont/O dowd game, Cardinal Newman and Heritage. Newman #4, Piedmont/O dowd #5 and Heritage #6

 

[northbaybbguru]

It will be the winner of the next Piedmont/O dowd game, Cardinal Newman and Heritage. Newman #4, Piedmont/O dowd #5 and Heritage #6

ok..so then what do u do with Marin Catholic?

MCAL champ...
winners of 13 in a row...
#1 ranked D4 team in state (maxpreps)
AND
has a head 2 head win over Cardinal Newman?

if CN is in...how is Marin Catholic NOT?

if CN was still in D4... they would be seeded BEHIND MC in the D4 sections...or do the actual results on the bbcourt not matter anymore? only computer rankings and the name on the jersey?

 

[LBJ6]

ok..so then what do u do with Marin Catholic?

MCAL champ...
winners of 13 in a row...
#1 ranked D4 team in state (maxpreps)
AND
has a head 2 head win over Cardinal Newman?

if CN is in...how is Marin Catholic NOT?

if CN was still in D4... they would be seeded BEHIND MC in the D4 sections...or do the actual results on the bbcourt not matter anymore? only computer rankings and the name on the jersey?

Forgot about them you are absolutely right. Who’s your 6? I’ll revise mine. Big 3, Marin Catholic #4 , CN #5, and the O dowd Piedmont winner number 6. On the bubble would be Heritage and Monte Vista who will be the top 2 seeds in D1 bracket along with the loser of the Piedmont O dowd game. You are right. It’s messy. Wow

 

[LBJ6]

Forgot about them you are absolutely right. Who’s your 6? I’ll revise mine. Big 3, Marin Catholic #4 , CN #5, and the O dowd Piedmont winner number 6. On the bubble would be Heritage and Monte Vista who will be the top 2 seeds in D1 bracket along with the loser of the Piedmont O dowd game. You are right. It’s messy.

Actually I don’t even know what division Piedmont and o dowd are in anymore. Can’t keep
Up with all the movement. I just learned today that CN was D2 now not D4

 

[northbaybbguru]

I think MC at 4 and CN at 5 is fair.

BUT (lol)....what about Moreau Catholic?

17-4...probably end up 20-5 (mitty game scheduled)
Mission Valley league champs (10-0 currently)
AND...
They have a win over CCS Open team Valley Christian.
Valley Christian spanked Cardinal Newman by 27 earlier this year.
Where does common opponents rank in the seeding criteria catogory?

AND...

Heritage has a head 2 head over Moreau!!!

so???.... hahahahahahaha

what a mess!!!

 

[LBJ6]

I think MC at 4 and CN at 5 is fair.

BUT (lol)....what about Moreau Catholic?

17-4...probably end up 20-5 (mitty game scheduled)
Mission Valley league champs (10-0 currently)
AND...
They have a win over CCS Open team Valley Christian.
Valley Christian spanked Cardinal Newman by 27 earlier this year.
Where does common opponents rank in the seeding criteria catogory?

AND...

Heritage has a head 2 head over Moreau!!!

so???.... hahahahahahaha

what a mess!!!

I’m pretty comfortable with my 6 in that order. You can maybe but heritage in over O dowd\Piedmont at the 6 spot. I think Moreau is good no doubt but they won’t be in the discussion with a H2H loss against O dowd and Heritage and they’ll love that because they’ll breeze through their section if they can avoid open. I believe they won their section in 2020 as well before Covid. They have talented players

 

[ClayK]

I believe Marin Catholic, and all D4-D6 teams, are ineligible for the Open. That was part of the compromise that allowed the Open to be instituted.

Acalanes has not lost to NCS team, losing only to St. Ignatius and Menlo. Not saying they are Open caliber, but someone has to fill out the bracket.

 

[northbaybbguru]

if Salesian, CN and Acalanes all get pulled to the NCS Open that would make NCS D2 the biggest joke section in the state. Filled with mediocre teams and won by a team that has no business being a section champ. A true competive equity masterpiece.

 

[LBJ6]

if Salesian, CN and Acalanes all get pulled to the NCS Open that would make NCS D2 the biggest joke section in the state. Filled with mediocre teams and won by a team that has no business being a section champ. A true competive equity masterpiece.

They’re not putting Acalanes in over teams like Heritage, Monte Vista , San Leandro etc. I promise. Deep breathe Acalanes Fans. Not sure they play a competitive game in that D2 bracket lol

 

[ClayK]

Agreed .. but what's your solution? Let recruiting privates like CN and Salesian dominate publics? Or drop CN back to D4 by enrollment?

It's easy to complain, but what's a better system?

 

[northbaybbguru]

Nice of you to take a pop shot at CN Clay. I think I'll just point out the obvious...there isn't any better recruiting than your transfer machine at CLET. And lets not forget how long that CLET recruiting arm goes...all the way to Ukiah and Sebastopol here in the North Bay.

Seriously CN must not be doing a very good job of recruiting then as we only have 10 girls in our entire program currently.

 

[ClayK]

Didn't mean to say anything bad about CN. Monica runs a great program and follows the rules. I apologize if it came across badly. All of the elite basketball privates fall into the same group -- that's why they're elite.

And those schools, Carondelet among them, is why there needs to be an Open.

As for Acalanes, just threw it out there. The computer -- which is often shaky -- has them eighth, and since Marin Catholic can't move up, that makes the Dons one spot away. I agree they don't belong in the top six, but it's a committee, and you never know.

You can find a flaw with every team/

 

[GBBall4L]

That escalated quickly 🥴

 

[northbaybbguru]

As I stated on a previous thread Maxpreps should NOT be used in the seeding process this year. With all the discrepancies in games played any team that finds a way to play all their games(and win those extra games) will get an extra boost in the maxprep rankings.

Adding 4 or 5-0 wins to any teams record(even vs mediocre teams) will bump a team up the rankings considerably.

 

[northbaybbguru]

and AGAIN I'd like to point out that up here in Sonoma County/Santa Rosa city school district that's its OPEN ENROLLMENT. So this "privates get to recruit advantage" that is so often brought up in regards to athletes simply doesn't exist here and believe me the publics are doing everything they can to get athletes.
OPEN enrollment here has been around for 20yrs.

 

[ClayK]

That's interesting ... so families can choose from any of the five schools in the district. Is that why Montgomery was the strongest team recently? And is that why Maria Carrillo is on the rise?

In Livermore, families can choose between Granada and Livermore, and parents who understand the system can usually get from one school to another within a district as long as there's room. Of course there's always been recruiting in public schools as well -- it's just takes a little more effort, but if attendance boundaries don't exist among five schools, one would expect specialists in extracurricular activities to gravitate to a school that focuses on their interests.

 

[northbaybbguru]

That's interesting ... so families can choose from any of the five schools in the district. Is that why Montgomery was the strongest team recently? And is that why Maria Carrillo is on the rise?

In Livermore, families can choose between Granada and Livermore, and parents who understand the system can usually get from one school to another within a district as long as there's room. Of course there's always been recruiting in public schools as well -- it's just takes a little more effort, but if attendance boundaries don't exist among five schools, one would expect specialists in extracurricular activities to gravitate to a school that focuses on their interests.

that absolutely happens... specialists will gravitate toward certain schools.
Also... you see athletes from the west side(mostly the Elsie Allen district) go from the west side and end up at Monty and Maria Carillo(east side of town).
Carillo had an UNBELIEVABLE run of sports in the area a decade ago. The girls swept EVERY and I mean EVERY sport one school year except softball and came in 2nd (only) in softball. A sports domination the likes have never been seen here in Sonoma County.

Another example...a few years back the Montgomery Boys basketball that won the NBL had an entire starting 5 that were from the Santa Rosa HS district.

It was implemented about 20 yrs ago and it was in response to the people who complained that Newman had an unfair advantage athletically because of no boundaries.

 

[observer22]

That's interesting ... so families can choose from any of the five schools in the district. Is that why Montgomery was the strongest team recently? And is that why Maria Carrillo is on the rise?

In Livermore, families can choose between Granada and Livermore, and parents who understand the system can usually get from one school to another within a district as long as there's room. Of course there's always been recruiting in public schools as well -- it's just takes a little more effort, but if attendance boundaries don't exist among five schools, one would expect specialists in extracurricular activities to gravitate to a school that focuses on their interests.

And the Basketball and Football players in Livermore have always gone to Granada, at least over the last 40 years or so. Livermore does better with Wrestling & Baseball.

 

[northbaybbguru]

I believe Marin Catholic, and all D4-D6 teams, are ineligible for the Open. That was part of the compromise that allowed the Open to be instituted.

Acalanes has not lost to NCS team, losing only to St. Ignatius and Menlo. Not saying they are Open caliber, but someone has to fill out the bracket.

If this is true about no D4 to the Open then Piedmont can't go Open either as they are D4 also. Thus narrowing the potential field for the last 2 spots down to BOD, Heritage, Acalanes and Moreau Catholic. And honestly I'm not sure they would put a 2nd place (in their league) Heritage into the Open or a THIRD place BOD (would they?). So that narrows down the list to League Champs Acalanes and Moreau. OR...does Monte Vista come into the picture now as they are also a 3rd place team in their league but sit behind 2 open squads(SRV and Clet)... Am I off base on this thinking/reasoning?

What a dumb rule that no D4 to Open rule is.

 

[ClayK]

In NCS, teams are moved up based on team success, which is why Cardinal Newman, a D4 school, is one no longer. I'm surprised Piedmont hasn't met the criteria yet (which are not difficult) but Marin Catholic will soon. It takes three years of postseason success to move up.

Getting the Open implemented in NCS wasn't an easy process, and like almost everything in life, involved compromises.

 

[northbaybbguru]

I didn't realize Monte Vista beat Marin Catholic at MC. Based on common opponents criteria doesn't Monte Vista become a potential 4 seed now?

Yikes it really is a mess after the top 3.

 

[ClayK]

Heritage beat Monte Vista and Moreau, but lost to Freedom -- an eight-loss team that just lost to Maria Carrillo by 17. Still ...

San Ramon Valley is No. 1 with a win in the EBAL tournament, beating either Carondelet or Monte Vista in the final Saturday.

Salesian is No. 1 if SRV loses to Monte Vista in the EBAL title game, and has a strong case even if Carondelet beats SRV.

Carondelet's win over Mitty, coupled with Salesian's two losses to Mitty, could make the Cougars the top seed with wins over Monte Vista and SRV in the EBAL tournament.

If Monte Vista beats both Carondelet and SRV, the Mustangs still aren't No. 1, but they're No. 2 and Salesian would be 1.

If Monte Vista loses to Carondelet, then O'Dowd is 4, and presumably Cardinal Newman gets to 5.

If MV beats Carondelet and loses to SRV, then MV is 3, Carondelet 4 and O'Dowd 5. Or maybe Cardinal Newman gets 4.

Cardinal Newman or Heritage? I'm guessing Heritage is 5 if it wins the DVAL tournament, with CN 6. If Heritage loses, then MV is 5 and CN is 6. Or vice versa.

Moreau is also in the mix here, with MV.

Acalanes seems safe in D2 unless there are a lot of upsets.

 

[Norcal_Fan]

Heritage beat Monte Vista and Moreau, but lost to Freedom -- an eight-loss team that just lost to Maria Carrillo by 17. Still ...

San Ramon Valley is No. 1 with a win in the EBAL tournament, beating either Carondelet or Monte Vista in the final Saturday.

Salesian is No. 1 if SRV loses to Monte Vista in the EBAL title game, and has a strong case even if Carondelet beats SRV.

Carondelet's win over Mitty, coupled with Salesian's two losses to Mitty, could make the Cougars the top seed with wins over Monte Vista and SRV in the EBAL tournament.

If Monte Vista beats both Carondelet and SRV, the Mustangs still aren't No. 1, but they're No. 2 and Salesian would be 1.

If Monte Vista loses to Carondelet, then O'Dowd is 4, and presumably Cardinal Newman gets to 5.

If MV beats Carondelet and loses to SRV, then MV is 3, Carondelet 4 and O'Dowd 5. Or maybe Cardinal Newman gets 4.

Cardinal Newman or Heritage? I'm guessing Heritage is 5 if it wins the DVAL tournament, with CN 6. If Heritage loses, then MV is 5 and CN is 6. Or vice versa.

Moreau is also in the mix here, with MV.

Acalanes seems safe in D2 unless there are a lot of upsets.

I think a late season loss will be hard to justify BOD in the open this year. losses to San Leandro and Piedmont are huge. Do they still look at the last 6 games of the season?

 

[ClayK]

It will be very hard to keep O'Dowd out of the Open if they beat Piedmont Wednesday -- or even if they lose.

Despite their struggles, O'Dowd is still a name that draws fans.

 

[observer22]

It will be very hard to keep O'Dowd out of the Open if they beat Piedmont Wednesday -- or even if they lose.

Despite their struggles, O'Dowd is still a name that draws fans.

I know money rules everything, but is that really a good reason to include them in the open if they haven’t shown it on the court?

 

[northbaybbguru]

It will be very hard to keep O'Dowd out of the Open if they beat Piedmont Wednesday -- or even if they lose.

Despite their struggles, O'Dowd is still a name that draws fans.

if BOD loses to Piedmont again they will be the 3rd place team in their league. THIRD PLACE!!!
How in the world do you justify putting a 3rd place team in their league into the Open??? (unless of course teams 1 and 2 are also in the Open)

 

[ankleassassin]

It will be very hard to keep O'Dowd out of the Open if they beat Piedmont Wednesday -- or even if they lose.

Despite their struggles, O'Dowd is still a name that draws fans.

where will the championships be at this year?

 

[ClayK]

How much better is Moreau or Monte Vista or even Cardinal Newman than O'Dowd? O'Dowd beat Moreau, split with San Leandro and played Carondelet much closer than Monte Vista. If they played, who would win?

 

[Norcal_Fan]

How much better is Moreau or Monte Vista or even Cardinal Newman than O'Dowd? O'Dowd beat Moreau, split with San Leandro and played Carondelet much closer than Monte Vista. If they played, who would win?

I totally get what you're saying. But who'd beat who doesn't always equate to whats on paper and that's what selection committee will see. yes they'll see the BOD name but if they look closely (depending on how they do against Piedmont) they should see that they may not be an open division.

 

[straightline50]

if BOD loses to Piedmont again they will be the 3rd place team in their league. THIRD PLACE!!!
How in the world do you justify putting a 3rd place team in their league into the Open??? (unless of course teams 1 and 2 are also in the Open)

BOD should be d1