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How is the NCS Champion SRV only a 9 seed and required to drive 2+ hours to play Antelope? I thought MaxPreps ranking played a role in seeding and SRV is ranked higher than many others.7 of 16 teams in DV girls from the Northern Section. LOL. Gotta love competitive equity.
agree...a 5 team open makes no sense...but then again..have you looked at the other brackets???5 team OPEN ??? Not 4 ? Or 8? Why 5?
Who does that?
Clovis West got the sweetheart draw of all time...bye in 1st rd and avoids the blood bath of the south
Oakland Tech D2??? but all those open quality teams in D1 don’t get it.
Alameda gets a horrible seed.
SI D1 how?
There should be a different way to seed.
The Open makes 0 sense. 1 opening game and 3 byes. Why would the Northern and Southern brackets be different.
7 of 16 teams in DV girls from the Northern Section. LOL. Gotta love competitive equity.
It's been that way since this all started. Depends on how you look at it. Is dropping to a lower division and getting a home game rather than being on the road in D1 a "reward" ? Laguna creek is a prime example of this. Set up nicely for a state title now all for under performing in section play so they didn't wind up being a high D1 seed on the road @ salesian. This is just my opinion but I think Norcals should be just like NCS open, or the CCS open. Place a premium on the open title winner and seed the remaining brackets based on enrollment.Why do I feel that teams that under performed in Section play were rewarded in NorCal?
yes you are correct what is the point. All are small schools. Do you want them in d-1? That is the point of DV. Most are rural small towns.
Then make them the top seed in D1 and have Open a four-team bracket. When you have three of five teams getting a bye Open is basically just a four-team bracket with a play-in game.This is Cardinal Newmans 3rd trip to the OPEN in 4 yrs...
7th seed (out of 8)
7th seed (out of 8)
5th seed (out of 5)
Never once a home game....
I'm not saying CN didnt deserve to be OPEN those years...but how about rewarding them with a home game once..just once!....throw them a bone
I thought Oak Ridge over Antelope was crazy too, as you said in "NO RANKINGS" was OR over Antelope so Why. Antelope went from perhaps an 8th seed in the open to an 8th seed Div. 1 which translates to 13th seed over all. I do not think there are 13 teams better then Antelope.The way the brackets are done doesn’t work, so there are bound to be some head scratchers.
I don’t like 5 teams in Open. Feels like playing the games on paper instead of letting it play out on the floor.
Also, I think CN has had a questionable draw every year since they won the D4 title.
Antelope-SRV is probably the game of the night on Tuesday. I don’t know of any ranking that had Oak Ridge over Antelope.
Argonaut beat El Dorado in section championshipOr, how about the fact that El Dorado girls won a section championship and get rewarded by getting a 12 seed in DIV, while the Calaveras team they beat gets to stay home as a 5 seed in DV?
I think most would agree that the ultimate goal is to win a state championship. Beyond Open, does it really matter what division you win? The fact is, the better team often gets punished by getting bumped up and facing a much tougher road. If you're going to insist on trying to make this all "fair" at least assign the teams to divisions before the season, based on historical performance, so it's not a moving target. The fact that the line of demarcation between a #16 seed in DIII and the #1 seed in DIV is completely arbitrary is asinine.
My point is that maybe an actual DV team would like a high seed and a chance to win a state championship rather than rewarding a mediocre Northern Section school with almost 1,000 students with the #1 seed in DV girls. West Valley should be a mid/low seed in DIV, where they really belong, based on enrollment. Really, I just hate most everything about competitive equity.
So is it body of work? Or section performance? Is it enrollment? Or performance on the court? Is it a computer rating? Or the eye test?
No way to balance all this out, but when I was at Campolindo in D-3 we lost to Bishop O'Dowd every year. Bishop O'Dowd has merit scholarships and never had fewer than three Division I players on the floor. When we lost to them in overtime in the NCS finals, they had four Power 5 recruits 6-2 or taller, plus a 5-4 point guard who went to San Diego State. Plus two more Division I players on the bench.
So how is competitive equity more unfair than that?
Of course, it doesn't matter what you do, the seeds are going to be controversial -- still, isn't it about time to give Cardinal Newman a break? They get hammered every year.
One last point: The last seed in any bracket is always, and justifiably, going to feel they got hosed; the top two or three seeds in any bracket know they got lucky. But someone has to be seed 15, and someone has to be seed 2. It's just luck, and sometimes luck isn't good.
Separate public and private brackets. Sounds good, right Clay?You are right on. Seems to me Private vs Public just doesn't mix. Find a good way to separate them. But we all know that is not going to happen.
My feeling is it should be enrollment based but then move certain teams up based on their long standing success ( O’Dowd, Pinewood, Cardinal Newman to name a few). Move another teams down based on size as needed.
This way, you don’t have the same teams winning the lower levels but you have some uniformity year to year.
But I do agree Clay that any system comes with its pros and cons
So College Prep is now in the same category as Bishop O'Dowd? And you can't do enrollment in the privates because you'd have maybe four teams in the top division.
The private playoffs would be the same as St. Joseph Notre Dame marching through the BCL-East. There would be no point.
Most private schools -- in fact, the vast majority -- are just like public schools in terms of their level of play and commitment to athletics. The few who recruit (and no blame from me) are the ones we're talking about, and that's what competitive equity is for.
How about this? Take every team that qualifies in a section, and rank them 1 through 120 (or whatever). That's what NorCals does, and essentially that's what each section does because it winds up seeding every team. Instead of artificially separating teams by essentially enrollment-based divisions, just throw them all in the same pool and sort by on-court performance from that season.
I agree with West Valley should be bottom seed in D-4 and if they would have not made such a crazy 5 team bracket and gone to 6 than west valley falls where they belong. But all the other schools are where they belong. I have checked last year and while I could be wrong (bay area section,and open touneys make thing strange) but all section winners were rewarded with a home game. Not sure about this year. I think it was a little better two years ago, but the North lost most state games. It seems now they are plugging in teams that have a good chance of winning state (Clay kind of mentioned that about the open) In the end it almost seems like losing games benefits you in the end. I really feel bad for Cardinal Newman and the Antelope / San Ramon Valley seems like it could have been a championship game.
Argonaut beat El Dorado in section championship
Couldn’t say it better. We’re so happy to be a number 1 seed in D4 but we get moved up to play a 16 seed Lowell from SF that is a D1 school with 2700 students? Colfax has 580 students and this is a once a generation team that now has to play a D1 school who has a mediocre year so they get bumped down to D4? I don’t get itNot to belabor this, but if you moved West Valley out and moved everyone up a seed, you end up with a school like University Prep as the 3 seed in DV. They are a DIV school that just lost the section championship game to West Valley. Should you reward them with a much more favorable path to a state championship than West Valley would have as the 16 seed in DIV?
Look, I'm a Northern Section guy, I'm rooting for these teams, but it just doesn't seem right to me.
I really wish they would go back to enrollment based. If you make a NorCal final, you automatically get bumped up a division for the next season. You can't move back down a division unless you go a year without making NorCals. That is overly simplistic, but something along those lines. The DIII and DIV private schools that are true powers would quickly get bumped where the belong and the little schools that stumble into once a generation talent won't have to worry if someone thinks they're so good they should be bumped up to the #15 seed in a higher division.
Just my 2 cents.