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THEOC89 · Nov 2, 2024

NCS707 said:
I remember I was critical for emphasizing this NCS playoff format will reward losing.

CN rests guys next week, loses to Vintage, D4 1 seed and cruises to state “bowl” game.

Not saying they’ll do that but someone eventually will.

Exactly!!…. You can’t have that if you are the NCS…. We don’t need to see CN in the D4AA regional or SBG against Nobody Cares….. 🤣

I want to see CN compete against NCS D2 or Better teams…. They are a Flagship Nor Cal program…. They are not some D6 or D4 Program…..

NCS707 · Nov 2, 2024

I remember I was critical for emphasizing this NCS playoff format will reward losing.

CN rests guys next week, loses to Vintage, D4 1 seed and cruises to state “bowl” game.

Not saying they’ll do that but someone eventually will.

THEOC89 · Nov 2, 2024

CN only Moving up to D4 would be absolutely Criminal!…. They are no lower then an NCS D2 team….

The NCS needs to use the “For The Better of The Bracket” clause and Move CN up to the Open/D1 or D2….

bearphan · Nov 2, 2024

And MC did this without their best player Braeden Bashich-Dixon. Pretty impressive win.

Adam007 · Nov 2, 2024

What is the story with Serra, did their wills get broken a few games ago, has Riordan risen from the crypt or some combination of both? Serra seems like a really deflated team, maybe that SI loss was their death knell. SF vs. Riordan is going to be electric.

iamgearyblvd · Nov 2, 2024

ArmchairGOAT said:
Rumblings? Can you enlighten us?

If you see what’s going on in college with the transfer portal, one of the primary reasons is because “y” school is willing to pay the player more than “x” school. Transfers are financially motivated. So unless you live under a rock or are that naive to think players are transferring to say, Riordan, because of “brotherhood” and not because of money… then bless your heart.

Riordan doesn’t have unlimited cash. That would be SI. Do not be surprised if SI starts bringing in 10-20 athletic transfers.

THEOC89 · Nov 2, 2024

observer22 said:
It will be interesting what the secret NCS committee does now to fill the Open/D1 bracket. CN would have been a lock had they remained undefeated, but now 2-loss MC would have to be put in first. Will both be selected? They could both definitely compete with everyone outside of DLS & Pitt. Does EC get in despite all the forfeits based on their body of work on the field?

Locks are DLS, Pitt, SRV, Cal (7-2), & the winner of Liberty/Heritage next week (as 2nd place in BVAL). That leaves 3 spots. Other D1 possibilities are the Liberty/Heritage loser, CVC (who will be 5-4 after the DLS loss next week, and AV (who just beat MV, and could finish 6-3 if they beat Cal next week). It is doubtful that D2 MV would be brought up after the last place finish in the EBAL Mountain. 2 other D1 teams at 5-4 may also be considered in SL & Berkeley.

It is likely, they will just bring up DLS & SRV from D2, and fill the remaining spots with 6 of the other D1 teams listed above. CN may have just dodged a bullet.

I think CN has to go into The Open…. It would be absolutely Criminal to put them in D6 or D4 or whatever division they are Rediculously put in based on their enrollment….. 🤣

Hopefully they use the “For the good of the Bracket” clause for MC and CN…. Those 2 teams should be no lower than NCS D2:…

ArmchairGOAT · Nov 2, 2024

tired of this said:
Long time board reader/poster from back in the day when it all started. Many fun nights following scores and playoff predictions and opinions of many famous posters. I do have a take on the Bellarmine/WCAL situation that clarifies the uncertainty that is out there among readers. I am still deeply involved in WCAL sports and musings. The football situation is an evolution that is worthy of a 30 for 30 on ESPN or a book for that matter. For sure a YouTube podcast type video going into more depth could be warranted. It is fascinating to me. I will save the lengthy preamble for another time and cut to the chase.

Football was dying just a few years ago. Safety issues. Numbers dropping. Moms not happy at all about their boys playing. It might have been a smart bet to not try and build a program up when this barbaric sport might not even be around after one more CTE lawsuit. But the sport has rebounded. Equipment safer. Coaches adopting new practice and teaching styles. It seems to be thriving now. So as it turns out, making the traditional investment in football success to drive school success was a pretty good bet.

Patrick Walsh was building a program at Serra. Doing amazing things. He brilliantly courted the Polynesian community. Played the long game. Obviously it was an amazing success. Patrick deserves all the credit...but part of his vision was having a school buy in and support him via admissions and financial aid. Again...smashing success. 25% of Serra's student body plays FB. Do the math. That is 6 or 7 FB guys in every class taught on campus. Staggering.

Tuition high...close to $30,000 at these schools. Bodies are needed to fill schools. Not the chummy, friendly, united WCAL anymore. Schools fighting for survival. Business decisions in the upper echelons are made....get in or not.

Si builds a junior high school and students matriculate to SI. Affordable options exist due to commitment from admin wing. They break the long standing teacher/coach model and bring in a guy with Mater Dei and USC experience. They are in it for the long run.

Riordan hires a well known coach and takes close to 20 transfers and does the same in basketball. Need to find a way to stay solvent. They go coed. Boarding options. Can they keep it up? I hear of rumblings

Rumblings? Can you enlighten us?

ArmchairGOAT · Nov 2, 2024

Most impressive was Riordan was able to run out the clock once Serra cut the lead to 6 in the 4th quarter. RBs Sr Jeremiah Jones , “Beast Mode” soph Adonyae Brown and the OLine simply wore down the Serra D.

northbaybbguru · Nov 2, 2024

larry legend33 said:
Pretty disappointing is where to start. They got their butt kicked. MC will be in games with that D even at the open level.
I think MC def goes to Open now and hopefully Newman gets pulled up to something better than D6. I would rather see them as a 7 seed in D1 than play in D6.

CN will get moved up no matter what. The new rules say they can only get moved up 2 levels unless they get put into the open/d1 bracket.

So its a HUGE difference and a season changer what the committee decides.

MC415 · Nov 2, 2024

larry legend33 said:
Not sure what your point is. MC doesn't have game changing athletes so how does that preparation matter? CN has equal or better talent than MC. I would say better to be honest. MC came to play and dominated the line of scrimmage. That was the difference. They also took advantage of that first Pick and got up fast which was big in a low scoring game. I would also say MC is better coached as well. Newman's offense was predictable and off today. Newman running at end it didn't matter. Game was over.

That’s my point is that MC was not phased by any of CN superior athletes because they played several games with similar or better athletes, MC defense was ready and well adjusted to handle anything thrown at them where CN wasn’t ready to attack MC when they just couldn’t use the speed to run past them like they have against everyone else’

larry legend33 · Nov 2, 2024

northbaybbguru said:
Where to start?

I thought MC was just tougher than CN today.

MC was continually pushing the CN receivers off their lines and the MC def line DOMINATED the CN offensive line.

We are now at 1 win in the last 19 yrs for CN vs MC and im getting some serious big brother/little brother vibes in the rivalry.
I truly believe CN has more talent this year. This is MCs worst team in 4 yrs and CNs best AND yet MC controlled the game, controlled the line of scrimmage and it never felt like CN was going to win.

Kudos to MC for a great win...

***now comes the question where does the NCS place (for playoffs) a D6 school (in CN) who came in 2nd place in league who's best win is a 1 pt OT win vs a (7-2)Windsor.

Pretty disappointing is where to start. They got their butt kicked. MC will be in games with that D even at the open level.
I think MC def goes to Open now and hopefully Newman gets pulled up to something better than D6. I would rather see them as a 7 seed in D1 than play in D6.

larry legend33 · Nov 2, 2024

MC415 said:
I totally disagree they didn’t face a single team that speed and next level athletes, like St Mary’s, Indy and Manteca even Edison is legit speed……..Vacaville is solid but Pleasnat Valley has zero not a single guy with dangerous speed who’s a game changer, CN wasn’t even once at any athlete deficit against PV……Armijo is terrible

MC losing to Indy? I mean MC lost a ton of talent, they were missing almost their entire offensive line, snapped 2 punts at their goal line and the offense turned it over 3 times and gave up 9 sacks, not sure why that’s surprising versus an 8-2 super solid Indy squad……if they played now it be a good game

once CN realized they couldn’t just run past or over MC they didn’t really have an answer all game, they still were running with 1 minute left thinking Gentry was going to break one, that works gassing BOD, Armijo and PV

Not sure what your point is. MC doesn't have game changing athletes so how does that preparation matter? CN has equal or better talent than MC. I would say better to be honest. MC came to play and dominated the line of scrimmage. That was the difference. They also took advantage of that first Pick and got up fast which was big in a low scoring game. I would also say MC is better coached as well. Newman's offense was predictable and off today. Newman running at end it didn't matter. Game was over.

FBAddict · Nov 2, 2024

observer22 said:
It will be interesting what the secret NCS committee does now to fill the Open/D1 bracket. CN would have been a lock had they remained undefeated, but now 2-loss MC would have to be put in first. Will both be selected? They could both definitely compete with everyone outside of DLS & Pitt. Does EC get in despite all the forfeits based on their body of work on the field?

Locks are DLS, Pitt, SRV, Cal (7-2), & the winner of Liberty/Heritage next week (as 2nd place in BVAL). That leaves 3 spots. Other D1 possibilities are the Liberty/Heritage loser, CVC (who will be 5-4 after the DLS loss next week, and AV (who just beat MV, and could finish 6-3 if they beat Cal next week). It is doubtful that D2 MV would be brought up after the last place finish in the EBAL Mountain. 2 other D1 teams at 5-4 may also be considered in SL & Berkeley.

It is likely, they will just bring up DLS & SRV from D2, and fill the remaining spots with 6 of the other D1 teams listed above. CN may have just dodged a bullet.

Dodging a bullet is what I thought this week's game was about. But frankly both teams looked pretty good.

FBAddict · Nov 2, 2024

northbaybbguru said:
Where to start?

I thought MC was just tougher than CN today.

MC was continually pushing the CN receivers off their lines and the MC def line DOMINATED the CN offensive line.

We are now at 1 win in the last 19 yrs for CN vs MC and im getting some serious big brother/little brother vibes in the rivalry.
I truly believe CN has more talent this year. This is MCs worst team in 4 yrs and CNs best AND yet MC controlled the game, controlled the line of scrimmage and it never felt like CN was going to win.

Kudos to MC for a great win...

***now comes the question where does the NCS place (for playoffs) a D6 school (in CN) who came in 2nd place in league who's best win is a 1 pt OT win vs a (7-2)Windsor.

++++What the heck is such a powerful team doing in D6... If we are going to judge strength by enrollment, we must assume all population bases are created somewhat equal. But that is clearly not the case.

MC415 · Nov 2, 2024

larry legend33 said:
I'm not sure about Newman. They beat Vacaville and Pleasant Valley who are both good teams and either in 1st or 2nd in their league and will both be playoff teams. O'Dowd was not very good but I think most expected more. I would drop Armijo and pick up somebody like Central Catholic or somebody like that. Newman had chances in this game against MC. They were in the red zone on the 2nd series I think and had a few penalties hurt them. Then they had to settle for a FG on that other drive. There offense looked way out of synch. Receivers or QB weren't on the same page. But in this case I don't think the lack of schedule hurt them. I just think MC outplayed them.

I'm actually surprised MC lost to Inderkum.

I totally disagree they didn’t face a single team that speed and next level athletes, like St Mary’s, Indy and Manteca even Edison is legit speed……..Vacaville is solid but Pleasnat Valley has zero not a single guy with dangerous speed who’s a game changer, CN wasn’t even once at any athlete deficit against PV……Armijo is terrible

MC losing to Indy? I mean MC lost a ton of talent, they were missing almost their entire offensive line, snapped 2 punts at their goal line and the offense turned it over 3 times and gave up 9 sacks, not sure why that’s surprising versus an 8-2 super solid Indy squad……if they played now it be a good game

once CN realized they couldn’t just run past or over MC they didn’t really have an answer all game, they still were running with 1 minute left thinking Gentry was going to break one, that works gassing BOD, Armijo and PV

colhenrylives · Nov 2, 2024

Excellent all-around work by Riordan today. Zero turnovers. Very few major mistakes or penalties of any kind. All three phases in sync. Probably one of their most complete games of the year. Well-done.

FBAddict · Nov 2, 2024

I was certain I should wait for this week's ranking for my view of the WCAL and it was justified by Riordan's win over Serra. However, this win complicates the rankings. I had to make some unfavorable judgment calls this week. Here's my take:
1. SF - The Lancers were the clear winner of this week's game with VC. SF was dominant in the rush and seemed to score at will. They are now the likely WCAL champ with only AR in the way of that sole crown. A improbable loss to AR would cause record tie with SI.
2. SI - The Wildcats were able to outscore SHC for a victory this week. Their last game is with AM.
3. AR - The Crusader's exceptional game win over JS causes me to make a judgment call placing AR over VC and JS. VC has beaten AR on the field so in WCAL league rankings, the AR win over JS creates a probable 3 way tie at third place between AR, JS and VC. But I am speculating that AR will improve to justify bypassing the VC loss.
4. JS - The Padres could not maintain their early lead on AR and lost the battle in the 3rd quarter to a fired up AR team. This loss probably signals a 4th place in my WCAL rankings. The record will show a 3 way tie in the WCAL between AR, VC and JS. The Padres must win their game with VC next week to maintain this 4th place ranking.
5. VC - The Warriors were overwhelmed by the rush attack from the Lancers. Their poor showing and the stellar performance of AR against JS led me to bypass VC's previous win over AR and move them down to 5th place. Only a win over JS will change my personal rankings and it would justify a move from #5 to #3 over AR in my opinion. In the current WCAL record, VC, AR are now over JS and an unfortunate loss next week to JS would cause a 3 way tie the league win record.
6. SHC - The SHC Irish had a good 3 quarters with SI but were dominated in the 4th quarter. The best ranking SHC can hope for is this 6th place.
7. AM - The Monarchs were able to prove they were better than BCP this year in WCAL play. They dominated the beaten down Bells and secured at least a 7th place slot.
8. BCP - Enough said.

observer22 · Nov 2, 2024

It will be interesting what the secret NCS committee does now to fill the Open/D1 bracket. CN would have been a lock had they remained undefeated, but now 2-loss MC would have to be put in first. Will both be selected? They could both definitely compete with everyone outside of DLS & Pitt. Does EC get in despite all the forfeits based on their body of work on the field?

Locks are DLS, Pitt, SRV, Cal (7-2), & the winner of Liberty/Heritage next week (as 2nd place in BVAL). That leaves 3 spots. Other D1 possibilities are the Liberty/Heritage loser, CVC (who will be 5-4 after the DLS loss next week, and AV (who just beat MV, and could finish 6-3 if they beat Cal next week). It is doubtful that D2 MV would be brought up after the last place finish in the EBAL Mountain. 2 other D1 teams at 5-4 may also be considered in SL & Berkeley.

It is likely, they will just bring up DLS & SRV from D2, and fill the remaining spots with 6 of the other D1 teams listed above. CN may have just dodged a bullet.

northbaybbguru · Nov 2, 2024

Where to start?

I thought MC was just tougher than CN today.

MC was continually pushing the CN receivers off their lines and the MC def line DOMINATED the CN offensive line.

We are now at 1 win in the last 19 yrs for CN vs MC and im getting some serious big brother/little brother vibes in the rivalry.
I truly believe CN has more talent this year. This is MCs worst team in 4 yrs and CNs best AND yet MC controlled the game, controlled the line of scrimmage and it never felt like CN was going to win.

Kudos to MC for a great win...

***now comes the question where does the NCS place (for playoffs) a D6 school (in CN) who came in 2nd place in league who's best win is a 1 pt OT win vs a (7-2)Windsor.

larry legend33 · Nov 2, 2024

MC415 said:
I think CN and San Marin really needs to step up their OOC schedule next year , CN had a weak non league schedule and once they couldn’t out athlete someone they looked lost, MC had intense non league where they took some lumps but the shock factor was gone by the time league started

I'm not sure about Newman. They beat Vacaville and Pleasant Valley who are both good teams and either in 1st or 2nd in their league and will both be playoff teams. O'Dowd was not very good but I think most expected more. I would drop Armijo and pick up somebody like Central Catholic or somebody like that. Newman had chances in this game against MC. They were in the red zone on the 2nd series I think and had a few penalties hurt them. Then they had to settle for a FG on that other drive. There offense looked way out of synch. Receivers or QB weren't on the same page. But in this case I don't think the lack of schedule hurt them. I just think MC outplayed them.

I'm actually surprised MC lost to Inderkum.

Relly900 · Nov 2, 2024

Saint Francis will get at least a share of wcal reg season title

Sicp coach got to be coach of the year in northern California, he only got one d1 player I believe someone said. They play as a true team

Riordan defense been better the last 3 weeks. They got a big win for they program beating serra

Serra it will be better days for them they should be back again next year

It's been a great year for the wcal

THEOC89 · Nov 2, 2024

Absolutely Brutal week!!… 🤣

FBAddict · Nov 2, 2024

Two wows!!! MC & AR

MC415 · Nov 2, 2024

I think CN and San Marin really needs to step up their OOC schedule next year , CN had a weak non league schedule and once they couldn’t out athlete someone they looked lost, MC had intense non league where they took some lumps but the shock factor was gone by the time league started

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